neutrocks
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I was listening to "Some Girls" earlier today and had thought how her vocals and the vibe sounded much like some of her older pre-fame songs.
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I don't even remember how that song goes
And the beat goes on... And I'm a happy girl...
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Cute song that some just take way too seriously. But I agree, it was an odd choice of song to do with M.I.A., but maybe that was the whole point. People were expecting the two go hardcore and they decided to do something fun and silly.
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She won't last six months... mark my words!
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I loved it. Certainly, there are aspects of other tours that were greater and grander, but I simply loved this tour because it was the first tour at the time to feature a number of classics she hadn't performed in years if not only once before such as "Burning Up","Hanky Panky", "Deeper and Deeper", "Crazy For You", "Papa Don't Preach", "Material Girl" and "Into The Groove". I actually loved the military section. A cool re-invetion for "Express Yourself". And I enjoyed a lot of the American Life tracks performed. And then one of her best vocal performances came from the "Lament" song. I love the emotion she put into that performance.
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Overrated by whom? Critics, consumers (general public), fans? I just can't go there. Being a huge fan, there isn't one album I dislike enough to say it's overrated. Certainly, there are albums I listen less, but I certaintely wouldn't call them over rated. Also, i find it baffling how one could say AMERICAN LIFE is "overrated?" That album has become her least successful album. How can it be "overrated" unless you're going by the fans who love it? I think this "overrating" queation is much easier answered by non-fans than fans. That said, some of you may need to check your fan card at the door when you say "True Blue", "LAP" and "ROL" are overrated. Each of those album showed a diverse Madonna, maturing with each album. I'm assuming some of these comments are based on the fact some of you weren't fans until a certain era or that some of you are more of a casual fan.
Me? As a huge fan from the beginning, I can't fathom thinking any album is "overrated".
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I don't know why people even get upset over the silly NTP. Of course, Madonna made that decision. She obviously knew that putting anymore money into promotion would take away from touring and her other products. Why not let ther music speak for itself anyway? She's been doing it for 30 some years now. Besides, it's not like she silently dropped an album out with no fanfare. The Superbowl brought a lot of attention to the new upcoming music. It may not been the most hyped and talked about album of the year, but most artists who have been doing it as long as her, don't usually get much hype. It's totally understandabale she would do promo for her movie and perfume instead. Those two would get less attention if she didn't. Her music would be the prime focus on the tour and where it should be. I mean really, do you want her to spend all these extra months pouring money into all this extra promotion, when she could devote that time and money to an extravagant tour? And honestly, those three videos from MDNA weren't cheap to make either. Could Interscope put a little more effort in pushing her, YES! Though, do we know if that was even part of the deal or were they simply there for distribution purposes?
Nearly 30 years being a fan, I know Madonna knows her shit. She always went where she make the most money. In the early days, she knew her albums were the money maker. These days, albums aren't a money maker. Therefore, she focused on the tour which featured her new music while also put some emphasis on her newly directed movie and her new perfume.
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this so hard to answer. i do want her to have really good future big radio hits. i want more people to appreciate her . most people have no idea how good she really is and wont even give her a chance. i think big hits would give the younger generation more exposure to her. i know my kids have Madonna in their blood but most kids are clueless to her greatness.
The thing is you have to go back to when you were a kid. Music (especially POP music/big music hits) is generally aimed at a younger audiences. Always has been!! There were plenty of older artists when we were younger, that we didn't dig. So now, Madonna is now among that older generation of musicians, it's harder for her to get acceptance by a younger generation. No matter how great, hip and cool we think she is, there will be a generation behind us that will not. The cool thing about her, I do think she is one of those artists tend to gain more younger listeners as her career goes on than most other older artists. Still, we're never gonna have those great moments as she had during the 80's, 90's and few era's in the past decade. As fans, we will make the best of it, but the general public will not see the greatness she is still producing.
Being huge fans, it's hard to be bias as it is. We want to love everything she does. We want EVERYONE to love her like we do. Unfortunately, that's not gonna happen and quite unrealistic. And again, you kinda have to go back to when you were younger when there were older artists that your parents or grandparents enjoyed, but you couldn't as much.
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I think a lot of the bad press is because Madonna personally has never come off like a ticking time bomb. She's always been in control. Even her most controversial moments, were basically created with her blessing.... especially regarding her career. So with that said, it's like people/press need to pick for things to make her look bad. I do believe Madonna is far more respected than she used to be. In fact, I do recall from the start, people doubted that she would last and make very similar comments about her that I even hear from Madonna fans say about younger artists today.
The good thing about Madonna is she doesn't usually react to the negativity. If she does, it's through her lyrics or through sarcasm. I know she was given some shit over adopting her kids, which was just complete B.S. in the first place. She did come out to defend herself there, but I don't think it was necessary. People are just gonna think what they want anyway. Though, I felt SHE needed to say something, so she can address the issues in adoption and those needed to be adopted.
In the end, Madonna has never played the victim card. She seems to be able to rise above the criticism and usually ignores it or finds ways to make fun or light of it.
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I think you have to dive into what really defines a hit these days. I think the forumla for a hit song for the general public is pretty much the same as it's been for decades. It usually means the artist is young and producing songs that are on the edge of what's going to be current or has recently been. Madonna was able to tap into that back in the 80's and 90's, for sure. Though, it doesn't mean she stopped producing great music. For me, I feel that the general public tends to put an age limit on who should be allowed to have a hit song. There are plenty of songs she recorded in the last decade that could have easily been a hit if radio gave her a chance. Give that same song to another popular younger artist, and radio would have given it a chance.
It's not a big deal to me if she has a "hit" song that appeals to the general public. After all, there were plenty of great songs from her MDNA album that are equally appealing to me than any song I enjoy that the general public/radio digs.
I do agree, that we shouldn't rule out a possible hit for Madonna in the future. If anyone can do it, she can defy what's the standard mindset of what defines a hit song for radio. Though, I do think if she ever does, it has to be something different from what we've been hearing, yet catchy. Something we wouldn't expect from Madonna could be her next hit. And it's quite possible she could produce something that it very current sounding that catches on. But in the end, it's all about producing quality albums whether radio or the general public embraces it or not.
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I know this is impossible to think since the woman is usually photographed going everywhere, every day of her life, but I like to think she's actually been secretly going into a studio to start work on a new album. It would be cool for all of a sudden without any warning she comes out and announces a release date for her new album. Wishful thinking I know. And with her being quite active on the social networks, me thinks she would be more interested in sharing little tidbits of her experiences in making this next album.
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XXL, I don't question the sales of MDNA for a second. Actually, I did not say anything about them in my post
My concern was that to me, M came across as uninterested in her album and more interested in her business ventures - which reflected in her promotion ways. I understand her schedule was tight, but still, she took her time to shoot a commercial for the perfume, something she didn't do for MDNA, as well as doing a photoshoot for it, but once again, not for MDNA. She premiered her perfume with a red carpet appearance, invited reporters, heck she even did a Q&A for it. For MDNA, we got her sitting bored in a chair answering questions, which she obviously was forced into.
So in my opinion, it wasn't mainly the limited time which prevented her from promoting the album more, but because of her own lack of interest - that's why she preferred to promote her perfume instead of the album. Of course I understand she somehow needs to bring these things into attention as well, but everything happened almost simultaneously with the MDNA release - and obviously it should be out of question which product should deserve the center of attention in cases like that.
Yes, sales for MDNA weren't bad in context, but still, it was an album which felt to be 'here' for a few days and then quickly faded away (with the attribute "shit" stamped on it by the way, thanks to the mostly horrible critics here - so the statement of MDNA being universally acclaimed is a little bit questionable) - it's a matter of fact that to the most part, the general public didn't actually know Madonna released an album, at least here in my country (Germany). Considering her decreasing popularity, this certainly didn't do her any good. But anyway, that wasn't really my main concern, it's what I posted above which made me feel a little disappointed in her (even though I obviously still love her) and which makes me hope that next time, she won't choose to solely promote her business ventures right at the time she got a new album out.
Get over it. She didn't promote the album like she used to or like other artists. It doesn't mean she was less interested in the album. That is such absurd statement to even say or think. Right after the Superbowl (which got the ball rolling), she was working her ass off, on the new tour at the time. What a ridiculous thing to say that she didn't care about MDNA when she immediately went into rehearsals to put on one of the top selling tours of the year, performing much of the MDNA album. You may say and act like you don't care about sales and charts, but for the fact you and others keep harping on the lack of promotion she did for MDNA says otherwise. Promotion is done to heighten sales and chart success. She knows albums don't sale like they used to. She knows TOURING is the way to go. In the end, it's always been about where she can get the biggest bang for her buck. TOURING was it. Nothing was rushed. Everything was perfect. As Kurt stated, some people need a reality check. Madonna is not going to EVER sell albums like she used to. She's not EVER gonna chart like she used to with singles and possibly albums.
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BAT @ Nineteen.
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It was released closer to the album than "Live to Tell," but I'd still classify PDP as the second single. Semantics, though.
Exactly... my 45 single mentioned "from the forthcoming Madonna album..."
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Excellent! Always love your mixes. Video mix is awesome as well.
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For me, it's always been about these scenes with her hair Marilynesque and dancing. Perfection!
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Most fans in the audience were over 47 years of age at the mdna concert that I saw and were screaming obnoxious profanities. That whole "fuck yeah" thing was a total buzz kill. Worst audience ever. Have nothing against age but I except them to be young at heart and they were not at all.
Well, not to say her fan base is made up older people, but in reality her fanbase would be on the average the age of 40's if they remained her fan since she emerged in the 80's. Lucky for her, she's always pulled in more fans nearly with every new album.
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I do think it's impossible for Madonna to escape performing some of her classics on tour. It's usually the expected crowd pleaser. Lucky for her, she has a number of classics that she can get a way with not performing them all or certain ones tour to tour. Then she has certain songs that are very similar theme that she could easily take turns performing such as... "Holiday", "Music" and "Celebration". I can even say "Where's The Party" could be easily performed in place of the other three, even thoug, it may be a forgotten album track classic by many.
Sonngs I like to see performed on the next tour... "Who's That Girl", "Take A Bow", "True Blue", "I'll Remember", "This Used to Be My Playground", "Falling Free", "Gambler", and "Where's The Party".
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So true, no one questions the motives behind Confessions (which, as much as I love it, was probably her most calculative album, designed to win back some of her fanbase lost with American life) but with Hard Candy certain fans still think somehow she was forced to work with Timbaland and Pharell - somehow to them it's impossible to conceive that Madonna would enjoy more genres then just generic dance music (maybe it's because they don't listen to anything but that type of music?...).
It's funny in retrospective though, because over half of Madonna's albums were inspired by soul, funk and rnb, I see HC as a natural progression from albums like Erotica and Bedtime Stories.
Exactly, when she first started she was being marketed somewhat as an R&B artist. To me, "Hard Candy" is just a re-visit to the roots of funk and R&B from "Like A Virgin", "Erotica" and "Bedtime Stories". Even "Like A Prayer" had a bit of the R&B vibe. It's odd for those to criticize her collaborating with a number of R&B, Rap, Funk known producers/artists for "Hard Candy", but not for albums like "Erotica" and "Bedtime Stories" that had a number of songs that she included rappers, R&B artists, etc. "Hard Candy" is a pretty solid album. You do have quite the cohesiveness with that album. I think some fans just have so much hate for certain artists like JT and Timbaland, that they can't accept that Madonna did manage to put together a cool album using those artists. I agree, using them seemed a bit late in the game, but who fuckin' cares. The album is pretty solid. And I still think if "Devil..." was released it could have been her "Take A Bow" radio hit all over again.
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She spent motnhs and months on editing the dvd, making her short movie......now that's all done, what's next? what is she going to do now? is she going back into the studio? is she going to make a movie? i'm hoping she will get into a room with pat leonard and write some classic pop songs and then record them in the beginning of the new year. i'm longing for some great 'mature' pop songs..
People need to let this idea go. That horse has been ridden and beaten. Time to move on.
I suspect she's gathering ideas for both a new album and new film. I'm sure contacts have been made. Her best bet is to produce something different than what she's been doing with her last few albums. But whatever she does, I'm sure I'll love it.
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it was a bit of a flop in USA though..
LOL! Yeah, if you matched it up to the sales from her previous two albums that sold 2 to 5 million more. Therefore with that logic, her debut album and RAY OF LIGHT is a FLOP as well in the U.S since they sold just merely 5 million copies in the U.S.
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I said that to explain Madonna's approach with the secret project. Madonna has been creating change over a long period of time. I do agree with celebrities having a voice in what is going on in the world. They are citizens with concerns and I applaud Russell Brand. I love when celebrities and people who are influential are passionate about change. They already have to attention of the media. Why not use that to create positive change? I have said before that what Madonna can do for real change in the world is very important for me. I believe that she can be and has been influential in positive change. Madonna's approach is different than other idealists. Ultimately I am with Russell Brand in what he says here especially about doing something about what you find unjust and talking about it and not tolerating it anymore. I'm with him and hope more celebrities speak up and inspire people.
I totally agree. And I see Madonna as trying to encourage us to express ourselves and trying to make cultural and social changes through the arts, while Russell doesn't beat around the bush and lays it all out there.
I also agree with the idea that we should just "halt everything to bring transformation". I also agree it's going to be hard to get people on board with that concept. Too many of us, single or not are too comfortable with our lives. We have become far from "self sufficient". Some will claim they are in some aspects, but I'm meaning self-sufficient in how we maintain our shelter, obtain our food, clothes and protect ourselves. If there was some violent revolt against the government, how many of us can say we can protect ourselves? I know a lot of us, do not own weapons. We could be easy pickings no matter how physically fit we are.
Would you care if she never had another "big hit"?
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