neutrocks
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Not so decent if artpop can't even surpass Madonna's 'flop' MDNA album sales
Serious? You're going to make me go there? I'm a huge fan of Madonna who would love to see Madonna's latest album outsell any of her younger contenders? Serious?
Artpop has only been out since early November. In the U.S. alone in less than 2 months, it has managed to sell nearly 500,000 copies so far. Yet, Madonna's MDNA has been out since March of 2013, and it's only sold about 20,000 more? Another strong market, the UK, Artpop sold about 94,000 copies in less than 2 months, though MDNA has sold 130,000 copies in the nearly two years it's been released. If I recall, MDNA didn't have those numbers in two months time of it's release.
Please, you can do better than that. Don't bring up an artists who has had an album for more than a year, comparing it to someone who is being out only a couple of months and has nearly caught up to them in far less time. Not only that, many Madonna fans have constantly argued that Madonna has pretty much kept up with the Jones since MDNA pretty much sold around the same amount of albums in 2012 as other releases that year with the exception of ADELE who has sold a ridiculous amount of albums that no one else has seen since.
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I'm not saying it's not legit, I'm saying that Billboard Hot 100 doesn't really represent the popularity of a song in America with their current rules. Do What You Want is clearly more popular and better known than Dope.
You're right in the grand scheme of things DWUW is more popular at this moment. But we're talking about one week where "Dope" was #8. I haven't been paying attention because I'm not really a fan of her latest album, but where did the song (Dope) place the next week? A huge significant drop could definitely prove that her placement was padded by the streams.
Funny how the one performance billboard used for the charts has 15m + views and all the rest of the performances she's done for the album range from 300k to around 2m w/some that are just a little higher. Why aren't the monsters watching the other performances? Why is there such a difference in views from the one Billboard counted vs. the others? Did Billboard over-inflate those #'s? Are they doing the same thing for other artists?
Well, that video with 15 million views is linked through UMG. Gaga is signed to that company, so why wouldn't they count those views from a major distributor? And how do you know they didn't count others videos? I never said they didn't. But it's quite evident, the majority of the counts came from the video that is linked to her label. I am not sure why that seems unrealistic to anyone. If this was Madonna, wouldn't you expect the same?
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But in the 70's and 80's it was 70% sales right?
As far as I know, it's been the same ever since the 50's. But then again, we have a group of people who completely despises an entertainer and is willing to insert any possible conspiracy theory. I do not believe Gaga is any media's darling right now or ever was. 8.1 million people isn't a lot of people in the world if you think about it. Just in the U.S, that's about 2% of the population out of 300 million people that got her to to the top 10. This should tell us that Billboard Hot 100 is hardly a measure of anyone's popularity in the grand scheme of things. It's just whomever is interested in music to any degree. Still, Gaga has a decent fan base since we can apply the same sort of statistics to any entertainer.
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Most likely because it was rigged.
Look at my above reply. The views for that performance are 15 million and counting. So if it's top ten status was based on 8.2 million streams that week of that performance, then it wasn't rigged... at least from Billboards rules in entering the charts.
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Lady Gaga got a top 10 with Dope, because a lot of people were watching some music show somewhere, yet her song that's all over the radio has yet to crack the top 10, so something seems off.
You're right... it is said 8.2 million streams of that song, managed to help it gain a top 10 hit on the Billboard 100's chart.... which again measures popularity of music combining radio, sales and streams. Fortunately for Gaga, her charting came from streams specifically from her Youtube Awards appearance. But let's be rational about this, wasn't this Youtube event very highly viewed? It was the first streamed awards show. Factor that in with the the fact that Youtube is considered to be the largest internet streaming company, one could say she was just lucky that she was at the right place at the right time since her appearance alone drew in the most viewers. Also, people could re-watch that performance contributing more views. We can look into conspiracy theories, but if the numbers aren't lying, then nothing is "off". You might not like that it got that attention or how it charted, but it charted fair and square, which I'm basing it on if the streams of her appearance were counted correctly, but we all can easily check that by finding that performance and see how many people have viewed it so far.
Edit.. I just found the video. UMG's clip of her appearance has got more than 15 million views:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAVgwA9Gx1A
The billboard stats seems legit to me. Now how she got those views, I can't really defend.
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Honestly it makes you wonder why the public and the industry focus so much on the Hot 100 when the sales chart is really what everyone should be looking at.
BINGO!! I thought that long ago, even when Madonna was first hugely popular. And as her career went on, especially in the last 10 to 15 years, you would see a number of her singles sell very well, but her song didn't do well on the HOT 100. That was due to lack of airplay. Then again, the reverse happened when she didn't release "Beautiful Stranger" as a single, yet airplay got her in the top 20 still. "Into The Groove" worked very similar where airplay was a strong contender for her even though a single wasn't available. So it does work both ways.
At least with the new ranking in streams, you know there is a more chance that they are being charted because the song is actually popular at the moment by the people, not what radio DEEJAYS are force feeding the public or being paid to play.
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Just go by what song sells the most for the week plain and simple like albums.
Then maybe you need to focus on these Billboard charts instead. The Hot Singles sales charts have always been a separate charting system.
Hot Singles Sales
Digital Sales
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Hot Digital Tracks.
You're criticizing a chart (Billboard Hot 100) for pretty much doing what they've been doing all along, measuring the popularity based on a combination of factors.
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Also something at Billboard does need to change. Its disgusting that a song like Dope (A song nobody knows) can go down in history as a top 10 because people viewed a shitty performance of it on youtube.
Preach
It's ridiculous that they allow this stupid system of adding sales with airplay in the US. Ridiculous. With this stupid trick they think that record companies with the support of radio can basically shove any act down people's throats. It's a stupid self-serving cheating closed circle *shrewd* little arrangement
But we're talking about the Billboard Hot 100 here, right? You do realize this chart has always been about a combination of sales, most plays on radio and Jukeboxes. The only difference is that the chart has been updated for the times. That chart really hasn't changed. It still ranks what is considered the most popular songs based on sales and plays. I don't see why streaming/plays from other media sources shouldn't be counted? Especially in these cases when it is the consumer who is choosing what they want to see and hear. If anything, I would think the outrage should be over RADIO since it's more dictated to the general public. I mean I've read so many posts outraged about "payola" for radio to play songs. Streams to me is a more accurate in what is popular. So shouldn't you be more happy it's also based on what people are actually choosing to play? Of course, you can say certain fan bases could hit the replay button a zillion times, but how is that any different than radio Deejays force feeding us songs through radio? There's always a catch 22 to everything.
Billboard consists of many charts anymore. To me, a separated sales chart speaks volumes for a popular artist. And before radio was so controlled, Hot 100, used to be a fair way to measure popularity as they relied more on requests and reactions to the songs they played. So bringing in the "streaming" factor evens the playing field, in my perspective.
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I see the strategy here. Like Aguilera did for A Great Big World's "Say Something", they are hoping to repeat the formula of suddenly adding another vocalist on a song that was featured on The Voice. The problem I have with it, Lady Gaga and Christina sound quite similar. In fact, if I didn't know that DWUW was by Lady Gaga, I may have mistaken Christina as the singer. No doubt, DWUW is the best track on Lady Gaga's latest album. They know it and they are doing everything to keep it afloat by capitalizing on a new found interest in Christina.
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There are far too many great Madonna moments to list them all. I will say though that one of the most amazing moments is seeing the first major transformation of Madonna's image. Her video to Live to tell was just so out of the blue with the classic look of a beautiful vintage Hollywood star and the song itself was unlike any ballad I had ever heard. Such an incredibly brave thing to do because her whole "Like a virgin" era look was copied everywhere around the world by girls and was so popular. Madonna has proven that her music, looks and image have always changed and evolved. Part of what makes her such a fascinating, fearless and admired artist.
This! It's when I finally went loonville. HA!
And of course, this is one of her finest hours too...
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It's all in the Pepsi advertisements, they were going to sponsor a 1989 tour. (BA would later be sponsored by Pioneer)
If Pepsi didn't pull the commercial and cancel the deal, Madonna wouldn't have taken on the role of Breathless Mahoney in Dick Tracy, and there wouldn't have been a need to dye her hair.
Not true, in fact, Just as the album was about to come out, she spoke to Rolling Stone in early '89, she was about dye her hair for DICK TRACY. This (the actual interview took place) was before LIKE A PRAYER the song and the Pepsi video was released. She filmed "Express Yourself" when she was in early stages of DICK TRACY. She had every intention to do DICK TRACY before touring. I just don't think she thought that far ahead regarding the tour and maybe thought she'd start the tour later in '89.
I believe there were supposed to be follow up Pepsi commercials which featured follow up singles.
EDIT... I just saw Matt commenting the same.
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10. Justify My Love - The Girlie Show
9. Gambler - Virgin Tour
8. Like A Virgin - Confessions Tour
7. Vogue - '90 MTV VMA's
6. Drowned World/Substitute For Love - Confessions Tour
5. Like A Virgin - Blond Ambition Tour
4. Express Yourself '89 MTV VMA's
3. Like A Virgin '84 MTV VMA's
2. Lament - Re-Invention Tour
1. Sooner or Later - '91 Oscars
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Um, you do know they say that about most serial killers or people who snap, right?
I thought the same... "Normal" is the people you have to watch out for. LOL!
Though, I hardly call this guy "normal" (in the sense people think normal is) since he's married, yet having sex with someone of the same sex. I'm not being critical of such, and I personally think it's his life and he's welcome to fuck who he pleases, but since it's without his wife's knowledge, I agree it's cheating. And it definitely could get ugly if his wife finds out... especially if he is uncomfortable with the idea that his bisexuality could be exposed.
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I don't think he'll go there. I've known him for a few months now. First I saw the machine gun, then later on the axe and bulletproof vest. It looks more like just a collection of items, not items he intends to actually use. Plus, all the weapons look new.
Also, he lives in a gated community with cameras. Why would a murderer put himself in a situation where they recorded him everytime he left his house?
My initial instinct was to just get out and never talk to him again. But, the more I think about it, the more I think he just likes to collect weapons. A murderer wouldn't leave weapons laying around his bedroom and he definitely would not live in a gated community that has cameras.
But he has no issue with you being seen coming and going on camera? Gated community with cameras or not, he could be capable of anything. If it's something heinous/illegal, the cameras are obviously not a deterrent for him, since he can pack whatever up while in the garage and exit without setting off any red flags. Though, I can understand your concern... especially an Axe. Who keeps one in their bedroom closet? That alone would concern me. Though, why have a vest unless there is some purpose to use the gun? I guess there is a possibility he's just collecting it. Though, the axe just doesn't set right with me. It might just be his way of subconsciously subtly scaring you without making a verbal threat... "You tell my wife. You die!". If that's the case, I would be worried what he is capable of. If he's went to such lengths to use weapons to scare you, then that tells me that he's serious about no one finding out what you two are doing.
I agree with other replies. "Get out". No matter how "hot" anyone is. It ain't worth your life.
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Defo. Though the proles who don't know the lyrics to Dress You Up wouldn't like that.
I just don't get the mind boggling overexposure of LIB, compared to that she never touches what are considered her best songs LAP and Vogue. Holiday is uplifting and anthemic, I get that.. and I know LIB was one of her biggest worldwide hits and has a similar universal sentiment but it's still huh? One thing she shouldn't do in these rearranged versions is fuck with the tempo, at least.. nobody wants a cheesy Ethel Merman goes disco version of LIB.
It's all about adding some Latin flavor to her shows. You know that's important to her. LIB is one of her recognizable hits that she can use for such a section. I think she did an awesome job with the song on S&S tour. On Confessions, it wasn't horrible, but it wasn't my favorite.
Lady Gaga: Karma called and her name is Lina Morgana.
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Seems to me you're putting a little too much emphasis on her being "the biggest female popstar" when in the grand scheme of things other than Beyonce, who is outselling her right now? You're comparing a two month album to an album that's been out for nearly two years. Not only that, the sales are quite close to one another. How she got there, what does it matter? If some dumb fuck bought her album even at a discount price, it still sold. I've yet to hear Gaga or anyone say they were trying to outsell Madonna's MDNA album. Once again, if you're going to try to discredit Gaga, at least pick someone who has managed to sell more albums than her in less time, with less promotion such as Beyonce.
And Madonna's had two Christmases to boost her sales for MDNA, so your point is?