neutrocks
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I love the dress and the colors. I love the Madonna gloves and the boots. Why is it acceptable for Lady Gaga to wear her costumes and get away with it but not Madonna? Coz of her age? Fuck that shyt.
How many 50 year olds out there (male or female) can pull this off?
That thing on her head would look ridiculous on anyone in my opinions. As for the comparison you made of Lady Ga Ga, it's a two way street because I've read fans state that think GA GA looks ridiculous in the costumes she wears. But let us not forget, Lady Ga Ga wears these outfits to mold her persona as Madonna did the same with the rubber laced bracelets, undergarment outside her clothes, ratty hair, etc. It's all part of the persona she's building.
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Well, we all know it's for some fashion Gala, but the ordinary person who doesn't follow her or know what this is about and opens up a magazine to see her, will simply say... "WTF???" and futher assume something nasty about her.
That said... I think she looks absolutely stunning. That thing on her head looks absolutely ridiculous, but I've seen her in far more ridiculous things. And in the end, it's all about "the show". It's obvious she isn't going to hang out with her friends or do her shopping in this attire.
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Ahh, it all comes back to me now. It seems over a year ago, the following image and various images from this photo shoot started surfacing, circulating the internet, generating buzz for Lady Ga Ga before her album was released. "Just Dance" was released and the comparisons to Madonna started... namely by Madonna fans:
Sorry, I don't care how much you detest Lady Ga Ga, you cannot deny that this image greatly resembles Madonna. I didn't think about this when I first started my discussions in this thread because I had forgotten about this image until just moments ago when I came across this image and thought... "WTF?? Is this Madonna?"... then I quickly recalled these were the first few promotional images we saw of Lady Ga Ga and now I distinctly recall fans all over were either confusing this image as if it was Madonna or making the comparisons to Madonna.
I still think Lady Ga Ga is an entity of her own who may or may not have borrowed a bit from Madonna as Madonna has borrowed herself from past entertainers. I do not compare her to Madonna and find her just as entertaining as Madonna. Of course, if it came down to Madonna or Ga Ga, I'd pick Madonna. I'm still on the fence regarding Ga Ga being an artist who is here for just one album or is able to pull off another successful album in the future. Time will only tell!!
The fact is that it is this image that started all the comparisons. And much of the buzz (even from Madonna fans) were positive in the beginning. I'm guessing most people based their opinions off the "Just Dance" single and either kept liking her when they finally heard the follow up singles or the whole album or bailed on her because they honestly find no interest in her. After all, everyone is entitled to like or dislike whomever they please and that's something I really am not arguing here. My point is that the comparisons started because the above image I posted. The fans took it from there and as Pud insists, the media must have as well. Great!! Awesome!!!
In the end, I like Lady Ga Ga because I LIKE HER, not because Madonna may like her or because Madonna went to one of her shows. These are two different people that I enjoy.... and I can't fathom anyone replacing Madonna as "the new..."
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ill answer the first question. i dont consider myself the ONLY or even AN authority. ive just been a fan since 83 and anything that came across my eyes with her name ive read, listened, or watched.
im what they call a hardcore fan from the beginning. before she even had a video that was aired on MTV. thats all.
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as for joanne,. why youre taking this so personally, i dont know. cause madonna went to the show?
anyway, shes a talented girl. she will probably go far. will one of her songs get in my path along the way that i may like? i dont rule it out. am i on the bandwagon now? certainly not. i think shes a joke at this point.
but things always change.
i never thought i would think christina aguilera had a good voice and then my friend from junior high school showed me her singing a james brown song on the grammys and she blew me away.
do i listen to her other stuff? no.
Back up dude and re-read my previous replies which you've read and quoted. I had stated that I've been a fan of Lady Ga Ga last year. My appreciation for her has nothing to do with Madonna. And just because Madonna went to her show, doesn't mean she is a fan of Ga Ga. But I suspect she appreciates her and probably is intrigued by her and interested in the impact she may have on this current generation of music.
The only thing I've taken personal is the whole silly "authority" comment you've made. You simply assumed because I haven't heard from the media that Lady Ga Ga is the "new Madonna" that I'm hardly up to snuff on Madonna or better yet privileged to talk about Madonna with you. Go figure! And to think all those late nights I used to sit by my VCR to record anything Madonna and her videos on MTV or FRIDAY NIGHT VIDEOS.... All those clippings and pics I used to put in this scrap book and wallpaper my bedroom with.... All those times I ran out to the store to pick up the latest single, twelve inch on vinyl which are all stored nicely in protection now.... All those hours I used to spend listening to her music "over and over". The many buttons and posters that I bought. All the shows I've been too. Even catching her slightly embellishing her stories in how she came to NYC with only $35 in her pocket, asking the cabby to be dropped off in the middle of everything... Times Square. Knowing before Madonnamania and the LAV performance on MTV that she had already made a big impact on MTV with her LUCKY STAR and BORDERLINE videos. But of course, this isn't a contest who is more of an authority on Madonna is it? Of course, you reign above all of us.
Dude, you and I are practically the same age. You may have been to some club appearance, etc., before she became the huge phenomenon (lucky you, if so), but I've been following this woman for almost just as long.
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great and youre not obligated to but i suggest you dont speak with authority.
as a hard core (as you stated you were), hardcores usually scan everything for the name. and before you pounce, i said usually.
Let me ask... why do you assume you're the only "authority" on anything Madonna? I don't discredit that you have been a long time fan or you don't know your shit. Though, I would never assume you're not this hardcore fan because you don't listen to the bullshit and comparisons. But I do find it quite odd for a person such as yourself who claims to never follow trends and what is popular, that you are criticizing me for not following any little mention/comparison to Madonna. I just simply don't care anymore. I am secure with my appreciation for Madonna. I've been a fan since almost the beginning. If someone wants to say... so and so is "the next Madonna". Then so be it. I've heard it all before and I know how it usually plays out. The artist disappears into oblivion or they find their own path and like Madonna has borrowed from other artists, they may borrow from Madonna. That cannot be denied.
At this time, I know that no one is going to be the "next Madonna". They may reach a similar fame status and sales status, but there have other artists before and during Madonna's fame that achieved great fame and sales status. In the end, Madonna is Madonna. There will never be another Madonna.
But I must say again, I do feel most of these comparisons are coming from fans. And in this case, I've only heard that Ga Ga is "the new Madonna" among fans who are either thinking she is or disagreeing that she is. I personally disagree!
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nein. do your homework before you reply to me.
What homework? Just because I don't listen to or read what all these critics are saying... stating Ga Ga is the "next Madonna" means I haven't done my homework. I'm just being honest. I have better things to do than seek out what critics/media think of Madonna and/or compare her to other artists, etc. But again, I've only heard the "new/next Madonna" thing from fans. I didn't say it wasn't being said by the media. Furthermore, I've already said I could care less if people compare the two. I like them both. I needn't make a contest out of it as some are here.
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yes, she was a dancer and then found her voice and realized she had more to express than just body movement. dancers are visual.
I actually agree and with your above comments as well regarding her being quite "potent and powerful" and she paved way for future entertainers.
I often wonder if her agenda in the early days when wanting to dance was to go on broadway and get into movies. She tells it as if it just all fell into place and I guess it did, but she did some productions at school too, so I wonder if dancing was just more of an excuse to get to New York and do something more.
But no doubt her ambition and determination to be someone famous was the real key here. She was looking for an outlet and it's possible that she really did know exactly what she was going to do, but she was determined to be big at something.
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The thing is that Madonna never set out to be a musician. And it's apparent to me it was all about being "visual" for Madonna. Madonna came along just as MTV was busting out the seams. She embraced that and molded herself in this visually stunning artist. Along the way, she proved she could produce catchy tunes. But even in her earlier work when people didn't know her as well... before she exploded on the scene, it was about creating an image... a visual. We can definitely see that in many of her appearances before she became famous. Each time she came onto stage for these appearances, she always made sure she and her dancers would have this certain look and attitude. They all had orchestrated the dance moves down to a tee. The persona she was creating had this specific look (which ties into being visual) which eventually every girl and even some guys wanted to adopt.
As the 80's progressed, she made it more and more visual and used the music as a "soundtrack". At the time, VIDEOS were huge, so it was evident she would embrace that. But I must say along the way, she has managed to separate the music as well. And now that she's older, it's becoming harder and hard to be visual since people are having issues with her age. I don't agree with it, but it's pretty much a fact that most people seem to be disgusted at a 50 year old woman wearing the outfits and parading around on stage, accusing her of trying to be younger than she is.
For me, she's an over all entertainer. She'll always be VISUAL, and that is how many people will think of her. Lucky for her, she's had several iconic songs, so people very well may be able to hear the song before coming up with the image, but I think they pretty much go hand in hand when one thinks of Madonna!
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again neut, i think thats FANTASTIC that you like this joanne. im not being condescending or anything. glow on!!!
but heres the thing. the more the press and plebs says shes the new madonna (as they did with britney and others) most of us hardcore fans are going to laugh and put a stake in it. and say:
NO!!!
just as im sure, die hard debbie harry fans did when madonna came along and the comparisons started. then after a year we can see the VAST difference between the two.
there is only one madonna, as there was one dietrich and there was one monroe. there is one joanne and if youre on that ship - HAPPY SAILS!!!!
But I am a "hard core Madonna fan". And to be honest, the only time I've read/heard that Lady Ga Ga is the "new Madonna" is from Madonna fans. Maybe the media is making the comparisons too, but I've yet to see them??? And frankly, I don't care. Any female artist who tends to stick out visually as Lady Ga Ga has and make a huge impact will always be compared to Madonna these days. I expect that, but it's hardly a reason I am going take great offense and purposely look for flaws or poke fun at her appearance. I like her because she's "Lady Ga Ga" not because I (or anyone else for that matter) think(s) she reminds me of Madonna. I never thought that.
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and for an entire new generation she may just be and im glad for it. and thank the lord jesus christ in heaven that i am what would lOndBO1 say? over 35? cause if i had to look and admire that mug and shoulder pad, i dont know what id do.
give me that devil haring skirt and my ciccone whore face anyday!!! at 25 OR 85.
beat that tambourine, cowbell and guitar, not clog foot lumpitous up on keyboard.
Well, I am not sure if you're being fair here. While you're entitled to enjoy whomever you like. It's obvious we're all Madonna fans. And I don't expect all Madonna fans will agree on who they like other than Madonna. With that said, Madonna has had her days of sporting some pretty ridiculous outfits. Do I really care? Because it's more than about what they look like for me. It's the whole package. No doubt Madonna has it. She will always be #1 for me, but I am able to look beyond Madonna and enjoy other artists who may or may not be compared to Madonna.
But again, I don't really think Madonna and Lady Ga Ga are alike other than they both stand out and are quite unique. If I was to be honest, Lady Ga Ga has a better voice. But what is interesting is that she mixes it up and is able to sing gritty and then sing really great all in the same song. POKER FACE is a great example of that.
If you don't like Lady Ga Ga, that is your choice, but let's remember it seems the things I see many fans criticize other artists for, are the same things critics have criticized Madonna for all through her career.
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I agree it's quite distasteful and disrespectful, but as someone else mentioned in this thread, I am sure Madonna isn't crying over this, so why should I be offended?
But you can bet, Madonna will not look like this when she's 70 either. She takes care of herself that she will look in her 50's if even that.
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I don't get this bashing of Lady Ga Ga. But it seems it's typical of Madonna fans to bash most artists that may give Madonna a run for her money.
Will Lady Ga Ga just be a "one trick pony". Well, she's already proven she's not. She managed to create enough buzz around her album and first single before they were released. And then once the album came about several of her songs were big hits. So far the songs have longevity since POKER FACE is still at the top of the charts and her "Just Dance" recently was at the top of the charts when that has been released more than a year ago.
I like Lady Ga Ga. She really stands out artistically and has created this wild persona that makes her more interesting. And the thing is, I don't like all the songs on her "Fame" album. All the bonus tracks are obvious throw aways. But there are a number of songs on the album that definitely make up for it. I love that her voice can be quite beautiful while at times quite gritty.
I needn't Madonna to endorse Lady Ga Ga for me to like her. I liked her long before. And I do understand why Lady Ga Ga appeals to Madonna. Lady Ga Ga has a unique appeal as Madonna does.
By the way, I don't think Lady Ga Ga is "the next Madonna". She's unique enough to stand on her own.
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People, people, people---ICONIC is not really your personal favorite or the ugliest but easily the most recognizable when shown to most, or the one that's had the most lasting impact or impression. After saying that I go with the TRUE BLUE cover, NOT my favorite (that's reserved for the LAV cover), but again, easily the most instantly recognizable.
I have to agree with what you stated regarding "the most iconic".
I like to add, that later generations will not be familiar with many of the photos posted in this thread. I do think "True Blue" will be more recognizable by the masses, yet their will be generations which will not recognize it and even more know who Madonna may be to the extent we know her.
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So how is this any different than appearing on American Idol? Both American Idol and X-Factor are the same format... a talent contest. I ask people because there have been many who object to that and claim she was above it??
And are some assuming she's performing FOR the judges or she's just a musical guest? I just read some of the replies and some replied as if she's performing FOR the judges when all she would be is the musical guest.
Will she do it or is this another silly rumor? I suspect the people behind X-Factor are trying to get her and Michael Jackson. The question is... "will she do it?"
I don't object to her doing it, but she should certainly do American Idol. She needs more promotion in the states to sell her music than anywhere else.
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I'm sure life will go on for all involved. Meanwhile, we have the media and fans speculating the most ridiculous things regarding this issue and any other issue that is blown out of proportion.
By the way, someone made a comment about the many Nannies she has. This tells me that she must had enough Nannies around the clock, so one particular Nanny wouldn't be required to work long hours. Then again, I do recall hearing that each of the kids had their own Nanny. Not sure how much of that is true??
If she let them go before they were contracted to leave, I can't see how Madonna comes off the bad guy here? She's willing to pay them until their contract is up, so it seems Madonna is getting the raw deal here since it's evident she'll have to pay to replace them and still pay these Nannies until their contracts are up.
Oh look... I'm talking about this as if I really care and it's my business. LOL!!!
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I wonder if this is just a story misinterpreted being she's due back with her children where the media (as usual) twisted it around if she's adopting?
In any event, if she is. GREAT!!! Any criticism over it, is just pure ignorant since Madonna will be saving a life and providing this person with a life they would never have dreamed of without being taken in. She's proven to be a great parent to her three children currently. There is no doubt, it won't be any different.
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Well,it's March.Where's the DVD??
There is NO DVD. There was NO official announcement and the only source claimed such a DVD would be released was through MadonnaONLINE and their source. Anyone who gets upset over this, just set themselves for disappointment since no one from Madonna's camp even squeezed a fart about releasing this DVD.
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Could we pls stop get busy with all GaGaesque stupid singers? GaGa may wrote on her sleeve about Madge but she should tone the copy down. Pathetic women that want to become Madonnas can still wait to release 6 albums or even more. And again, Madonna is ONE and no one other will pass again like her
Really, you need to get over this nonsense idea that every woman entertainer is out to bash Madonna. Just because Lady Gaga stated she wanted to be as big if not bigger than Madonna, doesn't mean she was bashing Madonna. Seriously, I don't understand fans who read so much into what other entertainers say about others. In your case, you've taken something Lady GaGa stated and twisted it into something bad.
You obviously need reassurance Madonna is the best by belittling other artists who are or may become just as successful as Madonna.
As for this SEPTEMBER gal... I've never heard of her until this thread. I think that says enough. She's entitled to her opinion even though I don't agree in what she said. Then again, who knows if the publication didn't twist what she said too.
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I'd probably still listen to hard candy if it were by the pet shop boys. It's a double edged sword. Then we wouldn't of had give it 2 me!
I doubt it would have been even "Hard Candy" or an R&B direction if they were involved. And I don't believe Warners said anything of the sort what direction she was heading when they contacted them.
Whatever the case, no one can really say PSB's involvement would have made the project BETTER. At this point, we will never know that.
I personally like HARD CANDY. It may not be my favorite album by her, but it only proves she's willing to take chances and experiment with either unknowns and popular producers.
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So you have yet to answer the question. Please point to where DVDs of BAT have been released that are not bootlegs or rips of other officially released formats.
I mean we have the Virgin Tour on VHS. I'm sure there are some creative souls out there who have taken that and put it onto DVD.
The point to all of this is IT'S NOT THE SAME as an official release. Something released on DVD now for BAT would be remastered for better quality picture and sound than for what was released on some laserdisc back in the early 90's.
There's also the whole issue of M not getting a cent of the profits of sale from these bootlegs and laserdisc rips. Why anyone would advocate a "who cares" type of mentality towards those seeking to get the concert on an official release is a bit off the beam.
The Asian market did get an official release in a number of formats for Blond Ambition. And I think the point some are making is that BA did get a commercial release on Laser Disc. Now, that may not mean squat to anyone these days, but back in the early 90's, LD was the latest technology that was hoping to catch on. Even GIRLIE SHOW got a LD release.
I actually have the LD of BA. I was one of those idiots who bought the LD player simply for the concert. This was before DVD's existed and I should have figured a smaller format was on it's way such as albums went to CDs.
Anyway, I'd love to have the DVD of this concert. The only way to get an official copy is order the Japan version and I'm not certain readidly available they are anymore. I know Amazon.com has them available.
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There was no official announcement of the DVD being released this March anyway. Just a fan site stating it's source said it would be released. And maybe there were plans originally to release it in March, but never set in stone.
Anyone disappointed over this, set themselves up. I am not disappointed. Sure, I wouldn't mind to have that DVD in March, but I understand why they will delay it til later in the year. And hopefully, it will give them more to add to the Extras?
It'll be released. Patience is a virtue.
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I suspect the TRUE BLUE cover (as several posted in this thread) will probably be the over all Iconic image of Madonna in her history. I do agree that there will be younger generations that may think... "that was Madonna?" She's changed her look so many times, I've always wondered long after her death, which image would be used the most that would be associated with Madonna. I feel regarding her music, the TRUE BLUE album cover will be forever used when she is mentioned long after she's gone.
But of course, that all could change within the next 30 years and where she takes her career and life. She seems to have no plans of retiring from the public life, so it all can still change.
Most people now associate her with the long blonde golden locks she's been sporting for more than a decade (on and off). That very well good be the image most people will remember her as. But again and as I mentioned, it all depends on her future. It's not like she had one look like many legends. She's constantly kept changing her look over and over. It's just the last 10 years it's been more the same.
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I'm going to go with my current fav.. which is DEVIL WOULDN'T RECOGNIZE YOU
But honestly, there are so many others I enjoy just as well. LIVE TO TELL still captivates me.
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Apparently "Attitude" has an exclusive
At least they admit that it's 'NOT CONFIRMED' and 'Unofficial'.
New Madonna Song?
in ARCHIVE - Madonna
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Interesting facts...
Lil Wayne originally planned to release "Rebirth" April 7th, but now it's is claimed to be postponed until June 23rd. Two singles have been released from this forthcoming rock album. Back in Jan. "Prom Queen" was released as the first single. It managed to hit #15 on Billboard Hot 100. But didn't really do well commercially. So another song was released called... are you ready.... "HOT REVOLVER". This song was released in March. This song did worse than the "Prom Queen". So maybe this is why the album was pushed back. Maybe they wanted to rework the album. Meanwhile, Lil Wayne has another album due out THIS SEPTEMBER which goes back to his hip hop roots.
Now, the confusion seems to be is if this is going to be track by Lil Wayne feat. Madonna or as Rob keeps insisting, it's a song Madonna has taken and recorded as a solo. But the question is? Why would Lil Wayne pass up releasing this song (which could garner him a hit) himself to promote his "Rebirth" album which had two dead lead singles?? He definitely needs a hit song to get people interested in his new album due in June.
I've listen to the various leaks. I cannot hear Madonna on any of them. But maybe it's just because they are bad quality. But there is 1:25 decent quality snippet of the beginning of the song in a rapidshare link posted in this thread which doesn't feature any other vocal but LIL Wayne and some guy saying something like "The real crystal crew".
As many of you have stated, you like the track so far... so again, I ask? Why would LIL WAYNE just give this track to Madonna when he needs a hit to sell his soon to be released album where the first two singles pretty much didn't go anywhere??? And if it is featuring Madonna, why are we just hearing about it Now?
I'm just wondering if this is just a LIL WAYNE track from his Rebirth album which does feature female vocals in the chorus and someone just started a rumor that it's Madonna and it went from there...