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Well I just felt that you responding and arguing with my post seemed that you thought what I said was the bigger issue here. I know what he said was not the worst ever, but to me it seems he constantly gets away with the stupid behavior even though I already saw a lot of people complaining, not just Muse or Jamesshot, so it just doesn't add up. I don't see why moderators would be content with the majority of regulars putting someone on ignore who doesn't even hide the fact that he's only here to piss people off.
Yep, I have to agree. In fact, I have this person on ignore myself. Anytime this person responded to me was simply to take a jab at me. And from a few quotes from others who stuck up for me, only proves he's still doing it. I figured long ago that he's best to be ignored because it seems his intention is more geared at giving people shit rather having a civil and intelligent discussion about an actual topic or appreciate Madonna.
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I'm not that crazy about any of those earlier albums, but that was more forgivable then because she was younger and hadn't experienced as many things to draw on. She had had so many unique experiences and is well read. Can't she find something deeper to write about? Plus, I was younger when those came out and maybe I was content with those lyrics then, but now I want something deeper.
Ok, so I can understand where you are coming from by your explanation. But you must know that Madonna isn't that kind of artist who can just garner a hit album by releasing songs that have deep serious and profound lyrics. If you're just wanting her to forget the whole commercialism of it all, then she certainly can go that route, but I really doubt she will ever do that being she thrives to be in the eye of the public. And I don't think writing serious songs about murder and mayhem will garner that same attention then just a fun pop song.
But hey, maybe she'll just shift her focus on more deeper topics. After all, what does she have to lose? If Celebration cannot be a huge hit, when it's definitely a very friendly pop song, then I can't say that anything she produces with less substance will do any better unless it's just a fluke of the time. So why not concentrate more on her experiences and deeper topics, but I don't think the majority of fans would like that. A lot of fans didn't like where American Life went. And if she is to draw from her personal experiences and such, then that means she is going to probably rely more on Kaballism and it seems to me the majority of fans do not like that either.
Sounds like no win-win here to please everyone, so my philosophy has been... just enjoy the ride she takes us on whether it's just fun or it's deep and meaningful. After all, I can't imagine get too bent out of shape regarding someone's music career at this point after they have entertained me for more than 25 years.
One thing I do know that is consistent with Madonna... she could give a flying fuck what people think and she does what she wants. I have no doubt, she'll keep mixing the bag up.
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Also, while I would love for her to sing about serious themes, the sad truth is nowadays that doesn't sell. What sells is "Get my booty down" and "SEXY KILLA" type stuff... the kids just eat it up like fast food. Mainstream music has no soul anymore. I was watching the clips from VMA 1994 and 95 and actually saw musical ARTISTS there, receiving awards! GOd... nowadays its such a joke... who attends I don't even know (probably Paris Hilton) now since i don't watch but I recall Eminem getting Bruno's ass in his face. That's all.
I have to totally agree with what I put in bold. I agree themes like that don't sell unless your some notorious rap artist. Madonna is hardly that sort of artist.
As for "mainstream music has no soul anymore"... that is an opinion that some will agree with you on, but I think that is just based on individual taste and the fact some of us are getting older and do not appreciate the newer music. It happens within every generation.
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Yes, Miles Away is about that, but it is in the minority on HC. Sorry, but I don't go out to clubs and not a party person, so I can't relate to songs about dancing to the music and getting my booty down.
I need to connect to songs on an emotional level. All there party club songs don't allow me to do that. I was saying she wrote songs about those relationship issues in the past, but that seems to be lacking on recent things such as Celebration and Revolver.
If she wants to do something different, how about some songs about hate crimes like the murders at the gay club that happened in Israel or people living with HIV. Life is not one long party, you know.
Actually, like you I am not a club person either. But I would have to say that if you can't relate to songs about "dancing to the music...", etc., that pretty much limits the songs you enjoy from Madonna, especially her 80's albums. So I am curious? Do you like her debut album and Like A Virgin? Because those songs really don't have much substantial lyrics that people can really relate to on the level you're speaking. I would say majority of TRUE BLUE is the same.
I don't oppose your suggestions where she covers topics such as "murders", etc., but how often have you heard a hit song from a pop artist that talks about hate crimes, murders, etc? Most people listening to music just want to listen music for fun and leisure.
By the way, she's touch based on your ideas with RAY OF LIGHT... especially with the song "Swim". I adore that song and always thought that would have been a great single, but the lyrics probably wouldn't have been favorable for her on pop radio.
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I think when people are saying that Clooney and Dre snubbed her they are just making silly little off-the-cuff remarks that aren't meant to be taken with 1/10 of the sincerity that you take them.
Look, I'm just discussing the topic. There is no need to purposely take a jab and assume I'm trying to be so serious. And honestly, if what you say is so true then why would people use such vile and profane language to describe these people.
If your intent is to shit stir with me, it ends here!!
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But it's clear that when she tours different places demand is huge eg scandanavia this current tour.
If she hits japan and Australia next time she will still sell huge amounts of tickets.
Next tour should be less Europe and focus on usa and a America too . Maybe add Africa and other Asia tour.
Madonna is a legend. Demand to see a legend will always be there!!!
Actually, you are right. And you can bet Japan and Australia will be big sales for her when she tours there again. In fact, they will make a huge deal when she finally does tour Australia since a lot of people feel she's been blowing them off.
I agree less focus on Europe maybe next time around, but she definitely would have to hit the big cities in Europe. I don't think she wants to alienate those fans since her music does quite well on radio there.
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Well from what I READ HERE she sang it during one of the rehearsals there I'd say its pretty official.
Ummm. Yes, some fans claimed to hear her sing about 30 seconds of what sounded like the song. But again, that doesn't verify or make anything official especially the lyrics which you are criticizing.
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I agree. I don't expect something profound from Madonna or any pop singer. Maybe in the past her lyrics were cliched, but there were about something that people could relate to like falling in love, fighting with your partner, breaking up and getting hurt. But recently it seems her songs have nothing to do with her real life or anyone's life for that matter.
Really? I disagree. "Miles Away" has been speculated to be about GUY'S and her relationship. And a lot of people can relate to that song, even though it never became a big hit. Though, I would have to say that she has so many songs about "falling in love, fighting with your partner, breaking up and getting hurt." Not only that, it's always the norm by most artist, so why would we want her to keep producing the same messages over and over.
At the same time, you can only write so many songs with different topics before you find yourself re-writing about the same topics. Most artists tend to stick to "love" and "relationship" topics on their songs. Then there are the songs just about having fun and enjoying the music.
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People aren't expecting Goethe from Madonna, but she has never stooped this low: "My sex is a killa..". What the hell does that even mean? Whatever, I can hardly remember how it goes..
First off... there is no official confirmation of that song being on the album. And while it is highly speculated and noted by some reputable sources, if she did include this song, you haven't heard her version, nor do you know the lyrics she used. So if you're going to continue your crusade to bash Madonna, why not back it up with actual facts, rather relying on rumors! But of course, I wouldn't expect you to like anything she does anyway.
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I wasn't talking just about the lyrics. On albums like LAP, ROL and Confessions, she took things that were out there at the time and made them her own in a creative, artistic way. On HC, she just copied Timbaland's style and really added nothing new or Madonnaesque to it. HC could have been sung by anyone. Her first couple of albums had the same kind of anonymity to me.
Oh, I realize you were not just aiming at her lyrics. And I guess I can understand what you mean regarding HC sounds like an album any artist could have sung. But again, I can admit that the album was probably an effort to gain more popularity in U.S. mainstream music. Does that mean I think she put less effort or creativity in it? No. But it seems she does mix it up with every album. The album transitions since RAY OF LIGHT prove that. And as far as "Celebration", I really feel that she just was trying to re-capture the feel from her older music being "CELEBRATION" the album will be a retrospective of her whole career. I don't believe her intention was to do something totally different or greatly artistic with the song. I think she just wanted to produce a fun dance pop song. And she has!!
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Neither Paul McCartney or the Rolling Stones have had a "true" US hit single in about twenty years (actually, it has been precisely 20 years since they both scored their last top 40 hits in 1989) and it doesn't stop people from buying concert tickets to see them. I think Madonna has graduated to that league where she could put out an album like Bjork's Medulla and still be able to sell out 40-50k seat stadiums nightly on the tour promoting it.
Mariah NEEDS commercial success because even when she's having a huge album, she's having trouble filling up arenas, but Madonna is Madonna, she'll sell out regardless.
I agree that she's among that league. And that is why I feel like she went with the deal with LIVE NATION which focuses primarily on the fact her money will be made from Touring and merchandising. She knows where her bread is buttered and that is touring. The question is that how often will she actually tour with this latest contract and will people lose interest if she tours too often?
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I agree totally. But that's the one thing I find disappointing about HC. For the most part, it seems to be reaching back to fun and dancing 80's Madonna and ignoring her deeper more artistic periods. Now I understand I'm probably in the minority in liking the later Madonna. the general public seems hung up on Borderline and Lucky Star era Madonna. But I want to see more of the artistic deeper second half Madonna. I only saw glimpses of that on HC.
But don't you think she's just trying to mix it up?? I mean; I think we all can agree she doesn't stray to far from what works for her in music. However, she even has said with various albums where her head is at. I remember when she was working on CONFESSIONS... she kept saying she just wanted to have fun and dance. I felt that is what she tried to do with HARD CANDY, but brought in producers to help make it more urban. And I won't deny that she probably was hoping to aim a hit with the U.S. region. With "4 Minutes", it worked. I understand why some feel like she just went with Timabland and Timberlake in hopes to score a big hit, but I've always felt with every album she makes, she hopes to score a big hit. Who doesn't? I also don't believe she purposely puts less energy or focus on one album to another. I think with each album she attempts to make something great. Yes, her lyrics may not be as insightful than on other albums, but the Madonna I grew up on really didn't grab me as a great lyricist. I am one of those fans who just love her fun dance music as well. But with albums like LIKE A PRAYER and RAY OF LIGHT, she's proven she can really come up with some insightful and thoughtful lyrics and music. But it seems since RAY OF LIGHT, some fans have forgotten that this isn't the norm for her. The majority of her music or at least lyrics weren't always that insightful.
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I feel like there's a big habit on here of poo pooing on her past work in order to prove that Madonna has always been "a product" or "in it for the money at all times"
It's not that black and white people. Sometimes she's in money making mode, other times she's in "I want to make something incredibly special" mode. Notice how she discussed her music in the interviews leading up to and during Ray Of Light's release compared to how she discussed Hard Candy in 2008. She's good at what she does, and sometimes she makes an album with other goals in mind, but other times she'll sit down and really push herself creatively because that's what she wants. We just haven't seen that in a long time. Although to Confessions credit she did do a very expansive interview in the Observer with Stuart about making the album and she talked about it being one of the most "organic" album making experiences since the 80s.
I have to agree with about everything you said. But honestly, I've always felt that it's always been about getting the biggest buck out of her projects. I laugh when I hear people say she's trying to be too "commercial". Sorry, but that's been Madonna from day one. She screams commercialism. It seems once she did the album RAY OF LIGHT, some fans seem to think she was never going to turn back and never do anything commercial again. It's like some has forgotten that much of her stuff is very commercial. I feel when she did MUSIC, she slightly turned back, but tried to use a little of the magic she created with RAY OF LIGHT. And then came AMERICAN LIFE... I see it as a polar opposite of RAY OF LIGHT. Quite dark! Yet, I think she was trying to create an deep and thoughtful album as unique as she did with RAY OF LIGHT. Odd that some fans who have an issue of her trying to be so "commercial" would dismiss this album.
In the end, I do feel Madonna takes the road where it will earn her the most money and that is why I feel she decided to take the deal with LIVE NATION where the focus will be more on her touring. Of course, she's going to have to produce new songs. Though I have accepted that her run on radio is pretty much over... at least in the U.S.
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CAN SOMEONE SAY WHAT CLOONEY AND DRE SAID ABOUT MADONNA!!!!!!!!!!!! I CANT SEE THE VIDEO!!!!
I think some are over exaggerating. But it seems some think that since Clooney and Dr. Dre didn't affectionately embrace her in the slightest, that they snubbed her. I think Clooney's reaction to her is a little more telling than Dr. Dre as I would think Dr. Dre may have just been pre-occupied what he was going to say. Though from watching the footage with Clooney, he did quickly dodge Madonna when she arrived. But it could have just been the awkward angle the camera was. There was some embrace, but it was quick. Though, I really don't see why people have to assume and call him "asshole" just because he didn't stand there and feel her up in front of everyone.
What I noticed more is Madonna seemed quite awkward/uncomfortable both times in that video. I just felt like she was the loneliest girl in the world while standing up there. It was like she was starving for some attention and no one really reacted.
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The only thing that's universally reviled here is anyone who disagrees with you. So you take the hint. What the hell is your fucking agenda on this forum? Do you really have nothing else to do than annoy the hell out of anyone who even remotely disagrees with you. Every single post you make is a stab at the so called APOLOGIST LOONS you totally hate here. You contribute nothing to this forum other than promoting your pop princesses and provocating Madonna fans. And yes, I'm aware of the fact that now that I said that, I'm gonna be one of the FIFTY people you keep stalking on this board for your amusement. But it seems not even EVERYONE complaining about you is enough for the moderators to notice. Disgusting.
That's why the ignore feature is so nice!! But well said!!
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omg yea, and hardly anyone applaused her.
I guess that I didn't pay attention to the applause when she came out, but when George Clooney was presenting "Best Female" video, I noticed the applause and cheering was much more for Madonna's TAKE A BOW than all the other videos.
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I'm not overly critical of Madonna I've been the biggest cheerleader of her output this decade I love her face forward push into electronic music. I don't dismiss her efforts to incorporate her faith into her art.
I'm apart of the minority who believes American Life is the most important musical endeavor she's had this decade. Of course had it been a mega success Madonna would've become more pretentious and ambitious and that's my favorite Madonna when she's strange she gets closer to genius.
The worst song she's let out of the studio this decade is "Hey You" even for a charity song it's a kind of disservice for the cause she's attempting to help being that it's crap.
No I don't like "Celebration" because there's nothing to celebrate about it it's harmless for a song design to sell copies of her latest compilation.
What an insightful reply. I won't pretend to understand why you dislike "Celebration", but maybe it has to do with the fact that you enjoy her more deeper and darker lyrics since you mentioned your big appreciation for the album American Life? I can totally respect that. I have no issue with the album myself. I agree it's an odd one out for her. At the same time, I think the album got a bad rap being it's regarded as anti-American/War. Yes, it was quite personal for her, even some may say "political" in a sense, but there was nothing "anti" about it.
Thanks for your reply. I hope you can just enjoy the new song "as is". As you stated, it's just a "harmless song".
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There's no question that Madonna's age hinders her reception at top 40 radio. But is it just that? Or it is it that her typical music style just doesn't resonate with station managers—and US radio listeners? Personally, I think it's both…plus fatally sluggish/haphazard promotion from WB. So many are looking forward to Mariah turning the big 4-0, assuming that when it happens radio will finally get off her straps, but I have a feeling that when she is 45+, she'll be like Elton/Cher/Aretha—scoring the last of her number one's.
Despite all the critical and commercial acclaim the album received, I can remember there being a feeling that the Ray of Light singles faced a tougher road because of how dissimilar they were compared to everything else on the radio. I also recall when "Sorry" was out and was the number one song in the world, someone wrote Chart Beat's Fred Bronson, asking why it was huge everywhere else, but America. His answer wasn't that Madonna was too old for radio, but instead that bombastic dance music like it wasn't "in" with US radio listeners.
So, in your opinion, what is (or has been) the bigger barrier between Madonna and US radio: her age, or is her music just stylistically out of sync with programmers/listeners?
I think you're pretty much right in what you say. Her age does play a big factor though (as you pointed out). I also feel that her being a "gay Icon" doesn't help her get much airplay on U.S. radio because radio is still quite conservative compared to other media outlets in the U.S.
I agree that her style is less accepted as well, but HARD CANDY did have a number of tracks that could have fit well on radio. I'm sure "Beat Goes On" would have probably gotten a better run if it was released as the second single rather "Give it 2 Me". I also thought that "Devil.." could have done well if given the chance. Those are exactly the type of songs you would hear on U.S. radio whether you favor the songs or not.
But in the end, I think it's just a combination of her age and radio being quite conservative. Which doesn't make much sense since a lot of the music played is far from conservative. I also believe U.S. radio prefers to target an audience of teenagers and females between the age of 20 to 30.
I don't even listen to radio anymore unless I have no other choice and wish to listen to something. So it's not a big deal to me to hear Madonna on radio. But I do realize that popular music is based on what is played on radio. The nice thing about Madonna is that she still sells. Maybe nothing compared to what she did in the 80's and early 90's, but the fact that her singles sales still chart is quite an accomplishment especially on the DANCE charts.
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This is what's sad. People appreciate Madonna and this is the kind of response they get in return by some. "Arse above tit" indeed...whatever that means.
Oh LOL... I had that guy on ignore. Didn't even realize he was speaking to me. I guess he further justifies why I should keep him on ignore. Anyway, you make a good point. I'm here to appreciate and other than occasionally speaking against the occasional negativity and nonsense, I keep it positive. And my purpose when speaking out is to keep things positive here, yet I am torn to pieces simply because I dare make a stand against some who do nothing but be negative.
Who the fuck am I?? I am a Madonna fan who comes here to appreciate her for what I enjoy, not spend all my time bitching about what I don't like about her. I just find it odd that some fans defend such behavior from people who do nothing but bitch and moan about Madonna. So who the fuck am I again... someone who appreciates that Madonna has kept me entertained for more than 25 years. I don't like everything she does. I've expressed my dislikes from time to time to fairly mix it up, but I just cannot comprehend finding any joy out of constantly bagging on Madonna... especially if I am a fan!
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This is my last post in this thread. I don't know why you take everything SO personally. Have you considered maybe I was not referring to you at all? I'm out.
You could have fooled me:
You specifically referred to me as a "broken record" and berated me for actually daring to point out that we should appreciate rather than just bitch and complain. But yeah... how dare I take it personal and consider you were even "referring" to me me at all. LOL!
Whether you were a member long ago here or elsewhere means nothing if all you do now is trash Madonna. The day I cannot consistently appreciate what Madonna does anymore, will be the day I remove myself from speaking about her on a daily basis on Madonna forums. As mentioned, I have no issue with anyone sharing their dislikes, but if that's all you do, why are you even here anymore??
aren't you guys a little bit too harsh with waiting, it's not like he posts here all the time
Whether he posts here "all the time" or not is not the point... it's when he does it's never in favor of Madonna which I repeat what I stated above in bold.
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I hardly consider my posts as "bashing" her. If you want to read stuff that bash her go to Perez Hilton. I'm tame in comparison.
For the record I'm not mad at all. I just find it funny how its always the same people who jump on me for saying things many others say. I come here because the posts are funny and I'm curious about her career. So I complain, so what? I'm not the only one.
I think Perez is a tool, but at least he does balance it out. He doesn't only post negative shit on Madonna. He also post things in favor of her. In any event, he's just a media fool who uses celebrities to further his career.
Again, who are these "same people" who jump on you because it isn't surely me since I've never address you until this thread? I also don't recall Voguer ever calling you out either. Kurt, Danny?? Have you addressed "Waiting" before this thread??
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Maybe it's because we can pretty much see right through what you are doing. You said yourself that you post mostly negative things and you became a member and began posting in the middle of an era you just said a few posts up you don't like. So yeah...it's kind of clear what your intentions are when posting here. So don't get mad when you get called out on things. YOU probably get "attacked" because there is ZERO objectivity with your posts and again, as time progresses it's becoming more and more clear what youre REAL intentions are by posting.
Exactly Kurt!!! That is exactly what I've noticed. It would be much different if he actually balanced his dislikes with what he does like, but every since he's been here, I have yet to read something positive from him. And while we may be calling him out on his behavior, we do manage to balance our posts out and actually post things that have nothing to do with the negativity or him at this community.
I just think he just enjoys taking the piss out of things and the fans here. That is why I never said much to him until this thread. There are a few others who do the same that I just roll my eyes and keep going. I just don't understand why some just come in here to constantly complain. I mean; surely there is something more constructive and fun in their life they would like to do rather come to a community of an artist they can no longer appreciate unless that is their intention!!
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What have I ever said that is so extreme that anyone else has not already said? People just like to attack someone for not sharing their love for something. Again, I have never made personal attacks on anyone for liking things I have not liked; yet, time and time again I get attacked for stating my disappointment in something (when I am hardly alone in such opinions). Currently, there are at least 3 people attacking me, the same people who have been on my ass since I showed up. If you don't like me so much just ignore my posts, nobody if forcing you to read them.
Look dude... this is a FAN board in appreciation for Madonna. You can't just expect to come strolling in here and constantly bag on her and think people aren't going to take offense to that. Be serious now!!!! I just don't get this mentality of late where it's just fine to bash Madonna's career and personal life and then scream at others for finding issue with that and then labeling them as if they are "loons" or what not.
You mention "three people" who always attack you. Who are they?? Because if you dare mention me, you're a damn liar, because this is the first time I've ever recall addressing you. I only addressed you because it was you who attacked my response and interpreted my response as an attack on you and others.
It just amazes me how you are able to twist your actions here as something that should be accepted when this is a FAN APPRECIATION board for Madonna... not a board where people come in and bash her constantly. Certainly, one is entitled to to share what they don't like, but if that's all you do, then I see that as a person who just loves to come in here and shit on everyone's parade here.
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Blah blah blah, you sound like a broken record. Unlike you, some people have standards and aren't willing to just accept any kind of half-assed effort their favorite pop star is willing to put out just for the sake of making a few bucks or fulfilling a contract. She set the bar high in her career so its only natural that people expect the best from her. I appreciate that she's still putting stuff out but I'm not going to sit around and pretend her shit doesn't stink just because she is Madonna.
You should talk about "broken records". I've yet to read anything positive from you regarding Madonna. Everything you post is always bitching and moaning. I agree with what Kurt mentioned before... if you haven't been happy with what she's done in the last few years, it's probably safe to say... "move on". But no you won't... I think you just enjoy coming here pissing on everyone's parade here who wants to actually celebrate Madonna's career, rather pick at everything she does.
You and so many others obviously do not read and comprehend what I post in appreciation Madonna. If you did, you'd know that I don't like everything she does just because I am big fan. The difference between me and a number of people who constantly do nothing but bag on Madonna is that I rather just not spend my time bitching about things I don't like and concentrate on what I do like. You could do the same, but you don't. It seems your purpose is to purposely antagonize people who just rather appreciate than dissect every move she makes.
So go fuckin' "blah blah blah" yourself. Feel privileged that I even spoke to you because it will probably be the last because like in the past, I'll just continue to rip through your replies and conclude your just someone who rather spend his free time bitching than appreciating. So carry on... keep wasting your time. All your doing is constantly nitpicking at everything you don't like. Why not actually take a thread or two and actually tell people what you like(d) about Madonna, rather always bashing her. Oh no, you rather take the easy road and be negative!
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I just saw that on ITUNES. WOW!! I really didn't expect this to drop so dramatically and so fast on ITUNES. I didn't have much faith with radio in the U.S., but where are all the buying fans? And why hasn't Warners made a big push for this song.
I know this is wishful thinking, but I am hoping that they are planning to make a big push for the song in the next week or two when the video is released. And honestly, Madonna should be performing this song on tour right now. I don't get why she doesn't take this opportunity to do this as this can help promote at least in Europe. But I guess it's too late now since the tour is almost over.