neutrocks
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I wonder what's it gonna be for the movie soundtrack videos? Some of them were released as bonus features on their respective film DVDs, but "Beautiful Stranger" was the only one that made onto a Madonna compilation.
I can't see them using "Crazy For You", "Into The Groove", "Live To Tell", "Who's That Girl" or "I'll Remember" on Celebrate at all, but I think "You Must Love Me", "Beautiful Stranger" and obviously "Die Another Day" will be there. Maybe "American Pie" as well, since that one does not use any references to its movie.
"Beautiful Stranger" and "Die Another Day" are safe bets that they will be included on the DVD collection. They don't include any film footage. Even "American Pie" could be included being it doesn't include film footage. Though, I'll be surprised if the other videos with film footage are included being they would have to shell out extra dough to those film companies to use the others.
Although, films such as "Who's That Girl", "With Honors" and "Vision Quest" were distributed by WARNERS, so I don't see why those videos from those film can't be included? But maybe it's a different deal when using film footage from the same company?
In any event, they would have to strike deals with
ORION ...
Into The Groove
Live To Tell
Columbia Pictures...
This Used To Be My Playground
Hollywood Pictures...
Any Evita videos
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hate shows like idol, x factor.. basically shows that only look for people with no personalities.
That's just not true. I've seen plenty of personality from contestants on these shows. Certainly, we all have our opinion who's better, but let's remember Madonna used to be a starving artist back in the day. It's no different here, but now they have a TV show to either help them launch their career or bomb/make a fool of themselves.
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The enthusiasm is still there. It has just changed. Videos are now a part of the web 2.0 movement thats been happening and growing for years. Artists who don't embrace this are left in the dust, which is why videos are more important than ever in a way. If you don't have a good looking video on youtube, consider yourself a minute away from irrelevancy. We live in an age where a band like the Kings of Leon can go from virtual indie nothings last August to everyone's favorite band this August, all thanks you YouTube.
With all of this in mind, Madonna's apparent refusal to make a good video for the singles she puts out is becoming more and more baffling by the day.
It's really how all one looks at it. I agree YOUTUBE is the way to go these days, but I've seen some pretty crappy videos (but of course that could just be my own opinion, just like it's your opinion of Madonna refusing to make a good video).
Madonna is much more in tuned to the internet than a lot of other big groups of the past. And the reception of "4 Minutes" was huge on YOUTUBE as she herself encouraged more people to parody her videos. I certainly don't see U2, The Rolling Stones and some of the other big concert headliners doing the same.
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You could not be more wrong about that. Shakira, Beyonce, Britney Spears, and Madonna herself are just a few recent examples of people who made songs that were propelled by the popularity of their videos.
Not that I disagree, but I do feel videos have far less of an impact these days. It's a shame because I thought our culture has become more visual, so I'd think videos would be more popular and much more sophisticated.
I think much of it's due to the lack of outlets. Since MTV and VH1 pretty much ditched videos on their main channels, people now rely on the internet or paid music stations to see these videos. The paid stations do limit video viewership, but the internet certainly helps expose videos. But again, I just don't see the same enthusiasm like back in the 80's and early 90's.
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It's possible, but in all seriousness, "Miles Away" is the only one that's up for a debate. The rest is definitely there.
"TAB" and "Miles Away" lyrics are very prominently used in this commercial, also spotted "Beautiful Stranger" and several other that are on Madonna.com. While "Human Nature" video images used a lot, hopefully it's only for the DVD.
"Give It 2 Me", I'm not sure about, it's the closing song of her tour, would be weird if she did not want to include it. And even if it's not on the CD, 2 songs from Hard Candy is already notable, considering only the first 3 albums and possibly ROL could have more than 2 tracks included.
Maybe the "Miles Away" reference is included because they may include the promo video on the DVD? As many of us have speculated, there will probably be some videos included on the DVD where as the song won't be included on the CDs.
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Regarding the charts... I simply look at the sales and compare it to the other huge acts selling successfully. If an artist can manage to be within the top 40 biggest sellers (which Madonna usually is), it's a hit. Anything more than that... GREAT!!! We all know she's going to sell at least a couple hundred thousand copies of this song. That alone tells me how successful a song is compared to if radio was playing it or not.
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I remember back in the 80's when there was NO internet and we didn't actually know every detail of celebrities lives like we do now. I remember how exciting that every so often a reputable magazine such as TIME or ROLLING STONE, etc., would have an article or in depth interview, regarding Madonna's careeer, personal life, her family, religion, etc. And certainly, I would come away from it, thinking how awesome to get a glimpse of whom she is. Of course, I realize some things will be embellished or contrived to a point. A person as successful as her needs to have some control in what is said about her to maintain some privacy of whom she really is.
So here we are 20 some years later... we know much much more about her than we've ever dreamed of. But do we really?? From the comments just in this thread, proves to me that a lot of fans seem to think they have her figured out, when in truth none of us really do.
Madonna has written an article about something enlightening in her life. A little insight to whom she's become over the last 14 years. Certainly, I cannot claim I understand everything regarding Kaballah. But that really doesn't give me the license to severely criticize and make negative statements regarding her such as she's "brainwashed".
To even know that, I would have to know her personally, deal with her personally because anything else is just a perception the world is getting through the media and of course what Madonna wants us to see. Oh yeah, I understand she's said and done things that probably didn't do her many favors regarding public perception. I pretty much expect some will easily twist just about anything she does into something negative. But what greatly astounds me is the over-growing number of fans who find joy in doing so. It seems they need to prove they aren't one of those fans who worships every sneeze, sniffle and fart she gives off. But why? Why do they need to prove that, while discrediting anyone coming to her defense, labeling them as the type of person who worships her every move?
Most people know me here as the type of fan who will jump to her defense. But one with any ounce of intelligence will see, the defense I uphold isn't so much in what she's being criticized for, but the fact that I just appreciate her as an entertainer. I see no joy in constantly bagging her for silly nonsense, especially since I really can't change it and much of it is not in my reach, or it is something I can really understand unless I meet with her, speak with her, so she can explain herself in person where she's coming from. It certainly doesn't mean I agree with everything she does, nor do I think she is superior to everything she does and says. It just means, I only know and enjoy her from a fan perspective.
We're entitled to our opinions. I agree. But when one seems to focus more in trying to prove how "out of touch" she is than just appreciating the fact that for the last 25 plus years she's kept you joyously entertained, I have to question where they stand as a fan. And no, I am not saying you're NOT a Fan!! And yes, it's okay to have an objecting opinion. Yes, it's okay to have a differing opinion that doesn't always favor Madonna. Though, it's becoming more and more clear to me that some fans spend a little too much time enjoying and outlining the negative aspects of Madonna than just appreciating the woman is still entertaining the majority of us.
I know what I've posted here is lengthy. I apologize. And my intention isn't to offend anyone. But I'm sure it will since the truth is some won't even get past the first sentence I've written because they rather read short little replies that don't offer much substance or meaning behind the words. Even more, some will graze through what I wrote and simply misinterpret, twist and purposely throw an insult at me, simply because I've offered an intelligent opinion/comment and rather offer an intelligent rebuttal or agreement, it's easier to post something mean spirited or negative. I expect that, and those people will know when I don't respond back to them, I simply chuckle and know that they lack something in their life that prevents them to enjoy an appreciative fan like me who can intelligently express what he has to say without being purposely offensive, mean spirited or nasty.
Madonna has the right idea in not watching much television, reading the newspapers, etc., especially when it is about her. I suspect some of the criticism still filters into her world, but I'm sure it's much easier to keep on trucking along if you ignore the nasty remarks about you from people who really don't know you or what they are talking about. It's so easy to assume and be negative of people. Much harder for people to be a little more accepting, considerate and appreciative of others. After all, negativity is much more exciting... much more exciting than pulling out the latest album, DVD or what not of our favorite entertainer and just enjoy she's still keeping us entertained.
Again, I'm sorry!
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This. And maybe they turned up the contrast or something but I don't believe for a second that they've materially changed the picture, they've simply chosen the worst one.
And no, she shouldn't cover her arms, they look fabulous in real life and make column inches in the press, it's a win / win. Even if the reporting is negative it proves how much of a talking point she (and her body) still is a quarter of a decade later and keeps her in the public consciousness.
And that isn't "altering" a picture? If "they turned up the contrast or something", then that would mean they DID "materially changed the picture".
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I bought it - weird
Is it the same version that has been leaked??
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Funny how they don't seem to mind the hundreds of official promo pictures that are photoshopped to make Madonna look 20 years younger.
Umm, but that is done at the permission of Madonna.
In any event, the image was altered and this article about Madonna being upset is BS!! I'm sure she couldn't care less!! She's not new to tabloid nonsense, nor does she pay much mind to it!!! In fact, the article really never specified Madonna said anything about this. According to this article, it was supposedly her trainer who said that she doesn't look like that and honestly, why the fuck would she lie? Please!!
I don't get why some fans enjoy reaffirming the negative crap on Madonna!! I know... I know... some people are going to say... "We don't kiss Madonna's ass". But c'mon, how does reaffirming that image as "not altered" got to do with not kissing Madonna's ass for everything she does??
Seriously?? I just think some of you just enjoy knocking down Madonna several pegs for amusement. But guess what people, Madonna doesn't give a shit what most of us think of how she keeps her body as well as how she lives her personal life.
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I have burnt 2 cd's with the songs from the rumored tacklist and then printed out a cover for the case.
Just for fun, Because I want Celebration now. AND YES I see that it says Rain or Music. Thank you COPY AND PASTE. Well I went with Music and it shows you how good I am of a proof-reader
While that tracklist is quite plausible, the only one that seems totally out of place is "Dear Jessie". Odd that all the other tracks follow the time-line of how the songs were released. I realize this list was compiled from a sheet where all the track names couldn't be completely seen. Every song was accounted for but the one that was listed as "De..." Of course, we know it's not "Deeper and Deeper" since that is very well noticable on the CD 1 tracklisting.
Now, if... and I stress a very "if"... if this is the tracklisting, I can't wonder if that song isn't actually "Dear Jessie", but maybe "Dear Father"... a demo from the Erotica era... which would fit perfectly where it's listed on the tracklisting. Maybe it is a reworked version for this collection?
It just seems odd that all the other songs are arranged in a timely order except "Dear Jessie"?? This is why I wonder IF it may be "Dear Father" instead. However, the other possibility is that whomever printed up that tracklisting maybe mis-typed and meant to put "Dear Jessie" as track 9 after "Like A Prayer" instead of TUTBMP!
The track listing is probably not real. I suspect most of the songs will be as listed, but "Dear Jessie"??? I don't think so! And I actually have my doubts on TPOG as well.
I guess we'll have to see. But if this listing is real... maybe it's actually "Dear Father"?? Not sure why she would put an unknown song on there, but hey maybe it's re-worked and she thought it would be unique to throw in there.
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4th play now
One thing - how come this is 3.35 when it ends just after 3.20. They could have made it even shorter
I talked about this earlier in the thread... I have a feeling it's a radio edit. Actually, the song is a bit longer than 3:20. If you turn up your speakers you'll hear the drums still echoing. But there still seems to be about 8 or 9 seconds of dead air, but as HOLIDAYGUY pointed out, sometimes leaked demos like this usually have dead space. But it is still odd since the album version states 3:35 on Amazon. So I conclude this may be a radio edit. Maybe not much different from the album version though... I don't know??
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The only place you'll find "WIFLFAG" anywhere near this project is the DVD. Fortunately that would be the remix version.
I agree. I think Madonna is quite proud of that video as well, so there is no way she's going to leave it off. It's a great video and the ABOVE AND BEYOND mix is so much superior to the original. It's almost like a totally different song.
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No, it's the full 3:35. Listening on my headphones the drums fade all the way to 3:35, it may be quiet but it's there, there's no silence. Maybe you're too old to hear the frequency Neut.
Well, I haven't listened with my headphones. But you're right, there is an echo as it fades out, but there still is some dead air.
Anyway, either this is a radio edit, or I've heard a different version that hasn't come out in full yet.
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The extended version someone made sounds better.
I say it again, Euro trance sound is usually not for me, but there's something about this song. It's really catchy(''Madonna magic'', can I call it?) and I can see myself dancing like a queen in a club! Haha.
I love the ''it's a celebration'' ''no more hesitation'' part!
I agree. I'm playing that version over and over. Even the cleaned up HQ version of what leaked is great. You can hear the spoken words better. I just deleted the first initial file that leaked of this.
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my apologies neut, my over-analyzing comment wasn't directed at you, but, to some others who just don't know how to have fun it seems. I'm sorry if it seemed that way.
No sweat! And I agree... I don't see the point of over analyzing a fun track like this. No doubt, this is just a dance and party song.
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Oh, hell yes. New single cover from Amazon.
I must agree.. this is awesome. I love the middle close up image... classic Madonna look. And it appears that the footage they shot in Brazil may appear in the video as well.
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neut, could it be possible that you actually heard one of the remixes, and not the album version? Are you absolutely positive that it's the album version that you heard? Did you see the disc, the track length, etc.?
All in all, this song rocks! It's pure Madonna. It's retro. It's new. It's dance. It's fun. All of this over-ANALyzing, and bullshit that it's dated and whatnot is really getting tired and boring. It's sad and pathetic really.
Well, I do think what has leaked is the radio edit. And as Holidayguy stated, I'm sure the album version wouldn't be too much different. So it's possible that I've heard a remix rather the album version. But still, it doesn't subtract the fact this latest leak is actually 3 mins and 20 secs while the track listing for the album version says 3:35.
As for "over-analyzing", I don't think I've done that. I simply just stated that the song I heard isn't this current leak. And I agree all the comments regarding the production and comparing it to other songs, etc., is just silly. It's an enjoyable fun song like many have stated. There is no doubt about it, but I just wanted to go on record that I think this is a "radio edit".
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Shane 54 from Madonna Fanzine just edited the leak, cut out the silence at the end and adjusted the volume.
It does sound better!
http://rapidshare.com/files/261829639/30.0...e1_le_k_HQ_.rar
On the other hand jul2002 came up with an extended version that clocks at 04:18
http://rapidshare.com/files/261838189/Celebration_ext2.mp3
Enjoy while we all wait for Dubtronic's 12" Extended! ;-)
The extended mix is really good. And I think the "Puts Your Arms around me" verse sounds good being repeated twice in the song, rather the one time it is actually.
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am i a hater now?
I didn't say that... you just did!
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Madonna's New Song: One Lazy 'Celebration'
Grab your glow sticks, bleach your spiky tips and ditch that tank top because Madonna's new single is here.
The title track from her greatest hits CD, "Celebration," has hit the ground running, and it's .. well ... super sassy. Madonna and DJ/producer Paul Oakenfold tag-teamed to form, what I think may be, her biggest piece of disco-trance trash.
It reeks of laziness and transcends the walls of boredom. I mean, I love a good diva dance hit as much as the next guy in tight jeans, but come on!
You go from a debut single like "4 Minutes" to this piece of stale-ass licorice? If this is any indication as to the direction of her next "actual" CD -- I say that in quotes because a greatest hits album doesn't count -- then I may pop my glow stick back in the freezer and wait for Kylie to hop back in the studio.
Take a listen and see if you agree with me!
http://blogs.nypost.com/popwrap/archives/2...elebration.html
Leave it to you to find a negative review of the song. Wouldn't expect any less from you.
LOL!By the way, before you go for my jugular, I am not too keen on the latest leak. But every response I've read from you has been negative regarding this song, so that is why I say I am not surprised you posted this.
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Indeed you were off on "Sorry's" potential, neut. Surely you din't think it would do better than HU at radio?
Every now and again, there's a fluke dance smash on U.S. radio- look at Cascada. "Everytime We Touch" hit the top 10 on the Hot 100. Not saying it's impossible for an M dance track to do well at U.S. radio, but she faces an uphill battle, just because of circumstances.
Actually, I just think I loved "Sorry" so much and thought... "Damn this is hot" and will burn up the radio waves. And seeing U.S. radio was giving HU some lovin', I just thought "Sorry" would have done even better or just as successful. So yeah, I guess that I thought "Sorry" did have radio potential and everywhere else it did. And remarkably the video "Sorry" got a lot of airtime on MTV. So I guess I was expecting it would do great on radio too.
Anyway, I agree with everything you stated regarding the battles she has regarding U.S. radio. And oddly, I am usually not a fan of a lot of radio songs on U.S., so maybe this is a sign that "Celebration" will be huge. LOL!
Me, I think this will be one song the remixes will satisfy me more.
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Yes, neut, but like it or not, by default- M's U.S. radio potential- when it's only her on the track- is very very limited at this point and time.
Oh, no doubt you are right there. But I have a feeling what has leaked isn't the album version. And I swore the part slowed down towards the middle.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. I really hope it does well on the radio especially within the U.S. After all, I can't stand U.S. radio for the most part and being I am not particularly a fan of this version that has leaked, it's possible that it will be huge on U.S. radio. All I keep thinking about is back during Confessions..., I just loved "Sorry", and thought it would be a big hit on radio in the U.S. Boy was I wrong. So I am hoping that I am wrong here too.
But again, I don't believe what has leaked is the album version.
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Neutrock, so the album version isn't really leaked, huh? Guess we're all listening to Radio Edit. Dammit.
All I know that what has leaked isn't exactly what I heard the other day. There is something slightly off with this version. I do think this is the radio edit.
And while I don't absolutely dislike it, I'm going to have to say that it really says a lot that Madonna used Benny's mix for the video.
I know some are saying "forget radio" and just enjoy it. And I somewhat agree, but the fact remains radio is a big part of getting this song exposure to the general public. First impressions are the biggest. My first impression when hearing this leaked version wasn't favorable. Being a fan, we'll listen to it over and over and many of us will eventually get into it, but casual fans and radio listeners will not give it the same chance.
I hope I am wrong. But I don't think this version will make an impact on U.S. radio. Europe and elsewhere will probably eat this up. Madonna cannot do wrong outside of the U.S.
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