neutrocks
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I don't understand the negativity. Look what happened to She-Wolf. At first, it looked like it was going to flop, but after several interviews, promotion and the video, it is becoming a hit. I know that the market has changed and the singles need exposure to be sold. If there is no video, no interviews and the radio is not interested, it will go nowhere. But I think that there will be some promotion in September and the single will pick up. Maybe it won't be top 10, but at least top 40 is possible.
I'm hoping that is the case. It's just not a good sign when it drops so fast from one of the biggest digital outlets.
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So odd. She was compared to 60´s bands, doesn´t make any sense.
Actually, the survey included bands and artists from all genres and decades. Of course, if the result shows three of the biggest bands/artists more popular than another popular artist, they are going to make a huge deal about it.
Anyway, I am not worried about Madonna's legacy in music. She will definitely be remember for a long time to come.
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But that's the point. I don't want Madonna to make mediocre music like the rest of the hits on the radio today. I want her to make something amazing that blows my mind. She has made some great records that were snubbed by radio such as Bedtime Story, Nothing Really Matters and Hollywood, but Celebration isn't on a par with those so I can't get too upset about it not being on the radio.
I was downplaying it some... I actually think the song is great. It's just as fun as her older hits like "Holiday", "Into The Groove", etc., yet has the touch of what is heard today on radio. My point was that there are so many other mediocre hits that get played and I think this songs even better.
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I think people should get over the whole thing. Radio will never be on Madonna's side.
Her only option in scoring hits in the future relies on downloads. Now if only billboard would give radio less power.
While I agree that it's probably best we realize Madonna isn't going to be a radio favorite anymore, but for a lot of us who grew up listening her on radio, knowing the fact they played the shit out anything she released, it's quite frustrating to see that they won't do the same now. I really do believe much of the music radio snubbed in this last decade from Madonna would have been played to death 20 years ago when anything she released got airplay. "Celebration" is just as good as any other mediocre hit on radio today.
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Another thing about radio I noticed that needs to change is their incessant need to court 12 year olds. Teenagers are the people who never buy music and are at an age they have no recollection of ever going to the store and buying music... they download everything for free. Statistics show that people over 25 are more likely to legally support an artist than teenagers... considering they're hoping to SELL albums, wouldn't it make sense that radio decides "oh if you're 12, fuck off and listen to Radio Disney" and get off their boycott of older artists and court those who have proven themselves loyal as customers?
But radio has always catered to the youngsters. It's easy for us to wish they would stop catering to them because we are older and radio doesn't fit our style anymore unless we listen to the more adult contemporary stations. We hadn't an issue that they catered to us when we were younger, so why must we get upset now?
But I agree that U.S. society is fixated on YOUTH when it comes to entertainment. I don't mind seeing all these young acts, but when you have acts who have started out as teens or in their 20's and have successfully produced hit after hit, and are still able to make great music throughout their 40's and 50's, but radio stops playing them because they hit a certain age is just completely ridiculous.
Actually, I don't believe teens are the biggest group of people who are downloading music for free. Yes, they are doing it, but the fact that Miley Cyrus can put out a single one day and in that same day it goes to #1 on the most popular digital music seller (ITUNES), proves that either teens are the buying market for music or we have a lot of old folks digging her music as well. And highly doubt the latter is true!
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Surveys and polls are usually given to the people to show the favorable outcome you're hoping to get. For instance, if Bill O'Reilly was to take a poll on what his viewers think of him, he will definitely get a far more favorable outcome on FOX or from his show, then anywhere else. Certainly, he will have a group of people that won't rate him too highly, but the majority who can't stand him and will sit through his nonsense a whole hour to catch a poll he's conducting is rare. It's not like Bill O'Reilly is going to go to CNN, conduct that same poll to get a favorable outcome!
It's quite possible, the people they surveyed are FAR TOO familiar with Madonna compared to the other artists. Furthermore, the younger people weren't around when these other acts were hugely famous as Madonna still is. So they are able to actually appreciate them for what they actually produced, rather the media always inserting their opinion of them. At this time, Madonna still gains a lot of big headlines and usually they are not favorable to her, so no doubt people are going to be persuaded to think less of her than the others who aren't portrayed negatively.
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The Madonna factor probably helped 4M do better than a track by, say, a Ciara, that had Timberlake on it. But, who in their right mind would say that4M was as successful as it was ONLY or mostly because of Madonna? Come on now. It's not her best track by far, but it's OK and fine for mass consumption, and it did real well for her.
As said, though, she hasn't had an enduring solo huit in the USA in more than eight years. So we really shouldn't be all that shocked by radio's resistance to new Madge tracks these days (especially mainstream top 40).
Well, I'm convinced 4 Minutes wouldn't have done half as well as it did without Timbaland and Timberlake behind it, especially in the U.S. I mean; it is her biggest selling single to date next to Vogue. Though, I am sure without Timbaland and Timberlake it wouldn't have done so well. And honestly, the track probably would have never existed.
I know that I shouldn't be surprised that "Celebration" is getting the cold shoulder right now. (I'm still hoping that in the next couple of weeks or so, the song will rebound with the video and a little more promotion). It's just a jolt to a Madonna fan to see her first single drop so quickly on ITUNES when her previous lead singles did much better. And I just feel like that no one (even Madonna) is even making any effort to get this song played or heard.
I know Madonna is on tour, but surely she could make some calls to radio stations and do a live feed. She could also include "Celebration" in her shows to drum up a bit of publicity. Though, I'm not sure if it matters being the publicity is much needed in the U.S., not in Europe.
I've learned to not have "high hopes" for Madonna's new songs to do well in the U.S., but this is quite ridiculous. I really don't see why "Celebration" cannot fit on U.S. radio today. With the resurgent of pop/dance music lately, I'd think her song would fit right in. And I can't help much of this is due to her age. Most radio stations will not play her new stuff and laugh if you request. I'm sure some would respond; "I'm not playing that old hag's music on my station!" It's been referenced before, so no doubt it won't be any different now.
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big drop
at number 99
I just saw that on ITUNES. WOW!! I really didn't expect this to drop so dramatically and so fast on ITUNES. I didn't have much faith with radio in the U.S., but where are all the buying fans? And why hasn't Warners made a big push for this song.
I know this is wishful thinking, but I am hoping that they are planning to make a big push for the song in the next week or two when the video is released. And honestly, Madonna should be performing this song on tour right now. I don't get why she doesn't take this opportunity to do this as this can help promote at least in Europe. But I guess it's too late now since the tour is almost over.
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Well I just felt that you responding and arguing with my post seemed that you thought what I said was the bigger issue here. I know what he said was not the worst ever, but to me it seems he constantly gets away with the stupid behavior even though I already saw a lot of people complaining, not just Muse or Jamesshot, so it just doesn't add up. I don't see why moderators would be content with the majority of regulars putting someone on ignore who doesn't even hide the fact that he's only here to piss people off.
Yep, I have to agree. In fact, I have this person on ignore myself. Anytime this person responded to me was simply to take a jab at me. And from a few quotes from others who stuck up for me, only proves he's still doing it. I figured long ago that he's best to be ignored because it seems his intention is more geared at giving people shit rather having a civil and intelligent discussion about an actual topic or appreciate Madonna.
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I'm not that crazy about any of those earlier albums, but that was more forgivable then because she was younger and hadn't experienced as many things to draw on. She had had so many unique experiences and is well read. Can't she find something deeper to write about? Plus, I was younger when those came out and maybe I was content with those lyrics then, but now I want something deeper.
Ok, so I can understand where you are coming from by your explanation. But you must know that Madonna isn't that kind of artist who can just garner a hit album by releasing songs that have deep serious and profound lyrics. If you're just wanting her to forget the whole commercialism of it all, then she certainly can go that route, but I really doubt she will ever do that being she thrives to be in the eye of the public. And I don't think writing serious songs about murder and mayhem will garner that same attention then just a fun pop song.
But hey, maybe she'll just shift her focus on more deeper topics. After all, what does she have to lose? If Celebration cannot be a huge hit, when it's definitely a very friendly pop song, then I can't say that anything she produces with less substance will do any better unless it's just a fluke of the time. So why not concentrate more on her experiences and deeper topics, but I don't think the majority of fans would like that. A lot of fans didn't like where American Life went. And if she is to draw from her personal experiences and such, then that means she is going to probably rely more on Kaballism and it seems to me the majority of fans do not like that either.
Sounds like no win-win here to please everyone, so my philosophy has been... just enjoy the ride she takes us on whether it's just fun or it's deep and meaningful. After all, I can't imagine get too bent out of shape regarding someone's music career at this point after they have entertained me for more than 25 years.
One thing I do know that is consistent with Madonna... she could give a flying fuck what people think and she does what she wants. I have no doubt, she'll keep mixing the bag up.
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Also, while I would love for her to sing about serious themes, the sad truth is nowadays that doesn't sell. What sells is "Get my booty down" and "SEXY KILLA" type stuff... the kids just eat it up like fast food. Mainstream music has no soul anymore. I was watching the clips from VMA 1994 and 95 and actually saw musical ARTISTS there, receiving awards! GOd... nowadays its such a joke... who attends I don't even know (probably Paris Hilton) now since i don't watch but I recall Eminem getting Bruno's ass in his face. That's all.
I have to totally agree with what I put in bold. I agree themes like that don't sell unless your some notorious rap artist. Madonna is hardly that sort of artist.
As for "mainstream music has no soul anymore"... that is an opinion that some will agree with you on, but I think that is just based on individual taste and the fact some of us are getting older and do not appreciate the newer music. It happens within every generation.
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Yes, Miles Away is about that, but it is in the minority on HC. Sorry, but I don't go out to clubs and not a party person, so I can't relate to songs about dancing to the music and getting my booty down.
I need to connect to songs on an emotional level. All there party club songs don't allow me to do that. I was saying she wrote songs about those relationship issues in the past, but that seems to be lacking on recent things such as Celebration and Revolver.
If she wants to do something different, how about some songs about hate crimes like the murders at the gay club that happened in Israel or people living with HIV. Life is not one long party, you know.
Actually, like you I am not a club person either. But I would have to say that if you can't relate to songs about "dancing to the music...", etc., that pretty much limits the songs you enjoy from Madonna, especially her 80's albums. So I am curious? Do you like her debut album and Like A Virgin? Because those songs really don't have much substantial lyrics that people can really relate to on the level you're speaking. I would say majority of TRUE BLUE is the same.
I don't oppose your suggestions where she covers topics such as "murders", etc., but how often have you heard a hit song from a pop artist that talks about hate crimes, murders, etc? Most people listening to music just want to listen music for fun and leisure.
By the way, she's touch based on your ideas with RAY OF LIGHT... especially with the song "Swim". I adore that song and always thought that would have been a great single, but the lyrics probably wouldn't have been favorable for her on pop radio.
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I think when people are saying that Clooney and Dre snubbed her they are just making silly little off-the-cuff remarks that aren't meant to be taken with 1/10 of the sincerity that you take them.
Look, I'm just discussing the topic. There is no need to purposely take a jab and assume I'm trying to be so serious. And honestly, if what you say is so true then why would people use such vile and profane language to describe these people.
If your intent is to shit stir with me, it ends here!!
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But it's clear that when she tours different places demand is huge eg scandanavia this current tour.
If she hits japan and Australia next time she will still sell huge amounts of tickets.
Next tour should be less Europe and focus on usa and a America too . Maybe add Africa and other Asia tour.
Madonna is a legend. Demand to see a legend will always be there!!!
Actually, you are right. And you can bet Japan and Australia will be big sales for her when she tours there again. In fact, they will make a huge deal when she finally does tour Australia since a lot of people feel she's been blowing them off.
I agree less focus on Europe maybe next time around, but she definitely would have to hit the big cities in Europe. I don't think she wants to alienate those fans since her music does quite well on radio there.
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Well from what I READ HERE she sang it during one of the rehearsals there I'd say its pretty official.
Ummm. Yes, some fans claimed to hear her sing about 30 seconds of what sounded like the song. But again, that doesn't verify or make anything official especially the lyrics which you are criticizing.
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I agree. I don't expect something profound from Madonna or any pop singer. Maybe in the past her lyrics were cliched, but there were about something that people could relate to like falling in love, fighting with your partner, breaking up and getting hurt. But recently it seems her songs have nothing to do with her real life or anyone's life for that matter.
Really? I disagree. "Miles Away" has been speculated to be about GUY'S and her relationship. And a lot of people can relate to that song, even though it never became a big hit. Though, I would have to say that she has so many songs about "falling in love, fighting with your partner, breaking up and getting hurt." Not only that, it's always the norm by most artist, so why would we want her to keep producing the same messages over and over.
At the same time, you can only write so many songs with different topics before you find yourself re-writing about the same topics. Most artists tend to stick to "love" and "relationship" topics on their songs. Then there are the songs just about having fun and enjoying the music.
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People aren't expecting Goethe from Madonna, but she has never stooped this low: "My sex is a killa..". What the hell does that even mean? Whatever, I can hardly remember how it goes..
First off... there is no official confirmation of that song being on the album. And while it is highly speculated and noted by some reputable sources, if she did include this song, you haven't heard her version, nor do you know the lyrics she used. So if you're going to continue your crusade to bash Madonna, why not back it up with actual facts, rather relying on rumors! But of course, I wouldn't expect you to like anything she does anyway.
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I wasn't talking just about the lyrics. On albums like LAP, ROL and Confessions, she took things that were out there at the time and made them her own in a creative, artistic way. On HC, she just copied Timbaland's style and really added nothing new or Madonnaesque to it. HC could have been sung by anyone. Her first couple of albums had the same kind of anonymity to me.
Oh, I realize you were not just aiming at her lyrics. And I guess I can understand what you mean regarding HC sounds like an album any artist could have sung. But again, I can admit that the album was probably an effort to gain more popularity in U.S. mainstream music. Does that mean I think she put less effort or creativity in it? No. But it seems she does mix it up with every album. The album transitions since RAY OF LIGHT prove that. And as far as "Celebration", I really feel that she just was trying to re-capture the feel from her older music being "CELEBRATION" the album will be a retrospective of her whole career. I don't believe her intention was to do something totally different or greatly artistic with the song. I think she just wanted to produce a fun dance pop song. And she has!!
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Neither Paul McCartney or the Rolling Stones have had a "true" US hit single in about twenty years (actually, it has been precisely 20 years since they both scored their last top 40 hits in 1989) and it doesn't stop people from buying concert tickets to see them. I think Madonna has graduated to that league where she could put out an album like Bjork's Medulla and still be able to sell out 40-50k seat stadiums nightly on the tour promoting it.
Mariah NEEDS commercial success because even when she's having a huge album, she's having trouble filling up arenas, but Madonna is Madonna, she'll sell out regardless.
I agree that she's among that league. And that is why I feel like she went with the deal with LIVE NATION which focuses primarily on the fact her money will be made from Touring and merchandising. She knows where her bread is buttered and that is touring. The question is that how often will she actually tour with this latest contract and will people lose interest if she tours too often?
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I agree totally. But that's the one thing I find disappointing about HC. For the most part, it seems to be reaching back to fun and dancing 80's Madonna and ignoring her deeper more artistic periods. Now I understand I'm probably in the minority in liking the later Madonna. the general public seems hung up on Borderline and Lucky Star era Madonna. But I want to see more of the artistic deeper second half Madonna. I only saw glimpses of that on HC.
But don't you think she's just trying to mix it up?? I mean; I think we all can agree she doesn't stray to far from what works for her in music. However, she even has said with various albums where her head is at. I remember when she was working on CONFESSIONS... she kept saying she just wanted to have fun and dance. I felt that is what she tried to do with HARD CANDY, but brought in producers to help make it more urban. And I won't deny that she probably was hoping to aim a hit with the U.S. region. With "4 Minutes", it worked. I understand why some feel like she just went with Timabland and Timberlake in hopes to score a big hit, but I've always felt with every album she makes, she hopes to score a big hit. Who doesn't? I also don't believe she purposely puts less energy or focus on one album to another. I think with each album she attempts to make something great. Yes, her lyrics may not be as insightful than on other albums, but the Madonna I grew up on really didn't grab me as a great lyricist. I am one of those fans who just love her fun dance music as well. But with albums like LIKE A PRAYER and RAY OF LIGHT, she's proven she can really come up with some insightful and thoughtful lyrics and music. But it seems since RAY OF LIGHT, some fans have forgotten that this isn't the norm for her. The majority of her music or at least lyrics weren't always that insightful.
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I feel like there's a big habit on here of poo pooing on her past work in order to prove that Madonna has always been "a product" or "in it for the money at all times"
It's not that black and white people. Sometimes she's in money making mode, other times she's in "I want to make something incredibly special" mode. Notice how she discussed her music in the interviews leading up to and during Ray Of Light's release compared to how she discussed Hard Candy in 2008. She's good at what she does, and sometimes she makes an album with other goals in mind, but other times she'll sit down and really push herself creatively because that's what she wants. We just haven't seen that in a long time. Although to Confessions credit she did do a very expansive interview in the Observer with Stuart about making the album and she talked about it being one of the most "organic" album making experiences since the 80s.
I have to agree with about everything you said. But honestly, I've always felt that it's always been about getting the biggest buck out of her projects. I laugh when I hear people say she's trying to be too "commercial". Sorry, but that's been Madonna from day one. She screams commercialism. It seems once she did the album RAY OF LIGHT, some fans seem to think she was never going to turn back and never do anything commercial again. It's like some has forgotten that much of her stuff is very commercial. I feel when she did MUSIC, she slightly turned back, but tried to use a little of the magic she created with RAY OF LIGHT. And then came AMERICAN LIFE... I see it as a polar opposite of RAY OF LIGHT. Quite dark! Yet, I think she was trying to create an deep and thoughtful album as unique as she did with RAY OF LIGHT. Odd that some fans who have an issue of her trying to be so "commercial" would dismiss this album.
In the end, I do feel Madonna takes the road where it will earn her the most money and that is why I feel she decided to take the deal with LIVE NATION where the focus will be more on her touring. Of course, she's going to have to produce new songs. Though I have accepted that her run on radio is pretty much over... at least in the U.S.
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CAN SOMEONE SAY WHAT CLOONEY AND DRE SAID ABOUT MADONNA!!!!!!!!!!!! I CANT SEE THE VIDEO!!!!
I think some are over exaggerating. But it seems some think that since Clooney and Dr. Dre didn't affectionately embrace her in the slightest, that they snubbed her. I think Clooney's reaction to her is a little more telling than Dr. Dre as I would think Dr. Dre may have just been pre-occupied what he was going to say. Though from watching the footage with Clooney, he did quickly dodge Madonna when she arrived. But it could have just been the awkward angle the camera was. There was some embrace, but it was quick. Though, I really don't see why people have to assume and call him "asshole" just because he didn't stand there and feel her up in front of everyone.
What I noticed more is Madonna seemed quite awkward/uncomfortable both times in that video. I just felt like she was the loneliest girl in the world while standing up there. It was like she was starving for some attention and no one really reacted.
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The only thing that's universally reviled here is anyone who disagrees with you. So you take the hint. What the hell is your fucking agenda on this forum? Do you really have nothing else to do than annoy the hell out of anyone who even remotely disagrees with you. Every single post you make is a stab at the so called APOLOGIST LOONS you totally hate here. You contribute nothing to this forum other than promoting your pop princesses and provocating Madonna fans. And yes, I'm aware of the fact that now that I said that, I'm gonna be one of the FIFTY people you keep stalking on this board for your amusement. But it seems not even EVERYONE complaining about you is enough for the moderators to notice. Disgusting.
That's why the ignore feature is so nice!! But well said!!
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omg yea, and hardly anyone applaused her.
I guess that I didn't pay attention to the applause when she came out, but when George Clooney was presenting "Best Female" video, I noticed the applause and cheering was much more for Madonna's TAKE A BOW than all the other videos.
Young people rate Beatles, Elvis Presley, Stones higher than M in survey
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I don't believe this is entirely true regarding "sexism". I mean really? How many over forty men do you hear on top 40 radio? It's rare. Just like it's rare to see women over forty on top 40 radio. Certainly, I agree men in rock/entertainment seem to get a way with a lot more without criticism unlike women, but I don't believe this is really about sexism. Besides there are a lot of women entertainers who get great exposure on pop radio. Unfortunately, they are under 40.