neutrocks
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Im sorry but AL and TB do not belong here. They are not part of her greatest hits.
True Blue probably has more reason to be on there than AL.
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yes ma'am
"Sir"... thank you!
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Because THEY'RE NOT AS GOOD and AREN'T THE DEFINITIVE VERSIONS THAT WERE PLAYED ON THE RADIO
They are no substitute for the originals - whether that be the single versions (many of which HAVEN'T been properly released on CD, so pretty much impossible to source) or otherwise
And YES, we KNOW you can burn your own version
Well, Suedehead manage to beat me to it, but I agree with his follow up response to this. Most people grew up on those version on TIC. And if anyone should be outraged, it should be me since I was around when the original versions were released and grew up on them. Though, I never opposed the TIC when it was released. I welcomed them. I actually loved LAP version as it reminded me of the version that was performed on BAT.
In any event, we're getting to the point here that it's personal taste. And it seems that not everyone will be satisfied because as many people who may agree with you, also there are just as many if not more do not agree with you.
And you're right... there are "no substitutes for the originals", but you know what I can see a lot of fans getting pissed for just including the originals. In fact, I recall when all the set lists kept popping up in the past, people were hoping there would be something new to the songs, not just the originals. So I don't believe many people would be happy with just the LP or original mixes of these songs.
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We're not wanting them reworked! Just not the bloody TIC versions. Height of laziness.
Oh, but how is it different than just adding the LP versions? How is that any less lazy then?
What an odd argument to make when you can easily assemble your favorite versions yourself these days?? To me, a GREATEST HITS is pretty much an obsolete format since the digital age and the fact we can burn our own CD's now.
I think HG made a good point... the majority of them are LP cuts or their edits. Also, the majority of TIC versions aren't drastically different from the originally apart to the ones he mentioned.
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As I always reiterate, if the casual listener was listening to TIC version of "Borderline," Lucky Star," "Like a Virgin," "Material Girl," "Crazy For You," "Live to Tell," "Papa Dont Preach," "Open Your Heart," "La Isla Bonita," "Cherish" and "Vogue," they wouldn't know the difference between those versiosn and original album ones. Even "Holiday" and "Into the Groove," it may go over their heads. "Like a Prayer" and "Express Yourself" are the only ones that really have a "dramatic" difference in sound from their original versions/7" versions (yet the integrity is maintained).
So, as a fan of TIC and who always has appreciated its intent and impact, using 8 TIC versions is no problem for me- as I suspect it won't be for casual listeners, who would make up the bulk of potential "celebration" owners (which is limited to begin with, in this day and age of iTunes cherry-picking).
I don't see using TIC versions as anything horrid in celebrating her legacy- TIC was a very well-received album, critically and commercially. Sure, some mentioned the Q-sound effect and such, but it didn't detract from the enjoyment and summation of that era.
Well said!! I've always enjoyed TIC mixes as well. And being a die hard fan, I have all the other mixes if I want to listen to them. I'm just fascinated at the outrage over this though. I don't know many artists who re-work their songs (other than remastering) for a GH's set. And I would think the real differences will be noticed simply by die hard fans than any casual one buying this.
Another thing that I find fascinating is that if she re-worked these songs, what makes fans think they will like them anymore, especially those who didn't like what they did with TIC??
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Yes I am soo glad the original ITG was used ..and we don't have to hear that hideous piano breakown
I wonder... is the original from the film being used or the single version updated for radio?
I don't mind which versions they use. I have all the versions anyway. This GH's to me is simply a collection item. I never expected that anything significantly would be done to them other than maybe remastering. Most GH's from artists usually pluck songs form their catalog without much change.
Anyway, I am looking forward more to the new songs and the DVD the most!! As mentioned, the album is simply a collectors item for me.
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"like omg, no way!! Totally!!!"
just SHUT the fuck up you fucking piece of twat.
i am sick and tired of hearing your fucking stupid ass remarks
its bullshit, take a fucking chill pill
madonnatribe is the fucking cnn of madonna news, their status is soooooo high up there, that they would never make up fake news stories, that's low, thats lower than a security guard.
yes, they may not be a fucking official source, unless they post an interview they conducted theirselves, then it becomes official.
But if you look at MadonnaTribe's record, you will notice that they have been right 100% of the time.
That's why everyone here and around other fucking forums are taking this tracklist and information as the truth. get use to it bitch, cause shit like this is gonna be happening more often in the future, and if you dont like it, i suggest you leave all Madonna forums for good, roll up in a ball, and listen to your janet jackson records in your rhythm nation 1814 outfit. cause i bet that'll be more satisfying for you.
BYEEEEEEE-EEE!!!!
HOLIDAY GUY.... Really, this has crossed the line. I have not once use vulgar language, did any name calling here. All my posts have been civil and respectful. I simply question the authenticity of the source. I've been civil about it. Instead I get told "shut the fuck up", Laughed at constantly, and other vulgarity thrown at me. This is just plain bullying on these people. I've done NOTHING wrong here. And I resent the fact that I am being the one outcasted for bringing up a genuine logical question. In fact, other members have question the track listing as well, but I don't see those people harassed. This is just ridiculous that I get attacked. I am not trying to fight with anyone. I am trying to have a civil conversation. All my responses have been in response of what someone said to me, so if it appears I am fighting, I am not. You have to look back to see who started name calling and such.
I will remain civil and calm about this because I refuse to stoop to such levels of name calling, etc. Again, I've done nothing wrong here, yet it seems some people can scream obscenities because I simply ask "where is the official confirmation" and told I am a broken record when they cannot even provide an official confirmation.
We all are here for the same reason... Madonna. I'm tired of people attacking others because they dare to ask genuine and intelligent questions.
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Where's Suedehead when you need him?
Oh, so he has the official confirmation??
As for the complaints about the versions supposedly used: By definition a greatest hits is a reissue of older songs. What exactly do people expect to be on there?
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like a broken record.
No different than you. Again... "like a broken record" give me an official confirmation that this track listing is coming from and I'll be glad to shut the fuck up.
What's funny is to me is how worked up some of you are getting over this set list and the mixes/version used when you cannot even cite an official confirmation.
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I'm creating a twitter acount as we speak and im going to make a complaint to Guy O
then im going to e-mail Liz with the same complaint.
As loony as that sounds, im doing it. So that when the CD is release and they see the fan's true reactions, i'll go " i told you so."
So your going to email and twitter these people based on a track listing provided by a fan site with no official confirmation?? LOL!!
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I despise you.You're one of the most annoying person EVER.
Ban me but I have to say this. FUCK OFF!
LOL!!! You can't provide an official confirmation, but you berate for me for asking for one! LOL!
Maybe it's best for you to put me on "ignore" if I annoy you that much. Lord knows, I am here just trying to get an official confirmation on the track list and have an intelligent discussion here without throwing obscenities at people because they bring up a genuine point.
And no one is going to ban you... this forum thrives on the behavior you display. But you'll never ever see me resort to such name calling and belittling. That's why I will always be unpopular here. Because I can be respectful without name calling and bashing people for having an opposing opinion.
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The real problem is that Warner owns those masters, not Madonna. Its just like Prince has total control over his post-Warner material because he owns them outright, but Warner can do whatever they want with the material he recorded for them. That was the biggest reason for his breakup with them, he wanted ownership of his mastertapes (like The Rolling Stones do with their post-1970 material) and they wouldn't sell them.
However, I do hope in the future that we see some amazing retrospectives like a box set loaded with rarities, and maybe a collection of remixes kinda like what Warner did for Depeche Mode when they were leaving them.
It just amazes me that artists like Michael Jackson, Prince and Madonna do not have full ownership of their masters. But I do understand that every artist must start somewhere which means they are going to lose some control over their stuff when being signed to a big corporation.
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Lazy
Really? How much different could they have made them without just re-working them all together? Honestly, I've never heard many greatest hits where a lot of effort was put into re-working the songs. While I understand some of us may not like some of the mixes/versions used, but I expected that the songs weren't going be new mixes.
Anyway, we still have no confirmation this is even the official track listing, so we'll have to wait and see what the GH really includes!
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Warner has released a few Prince collections without his consent. I actually remember him telling fans NOT to buy "The Very Best Of Prince" because he had no say on that release.
Of course, the difference with Madonna and Prince is that Madge is parting on friendlier terms, but still.... money is money, and I see no reason why they won't milk Madonna for all she's worth the way they have with Prince and Sony has with Michael Jackson (with MJ, Sony released a single disc GH, a 2 disc GH and a box set in less than 2 years time).
So you don't think Madonna has a tighter grip on her catalog than Prince and Michael Jackson? You're probably right, but if I was Madonna (or any of those other artists), I would have made sure I had full disclosure and consent of what they do with my songs. But I guess, not even the biggest mega stars can control their catalog.
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God, did you question everything in life? Geez.
That's the official tracklist, we'll get 2 new songs, period. You sound like a broken record.
Look dude, there is no official confirmation that tracklist is real yet. Bark at me all you want about me being a "broken record", but if you want me to shut the hell up about it, give me an "official confirmation" from an actual official source. MadonnaTribe is NOT an official source. As for the "2 New Songs", I didn't say we weren't getting "2 New songs", I simply pointed out that Madonna.com does not state "2 New Songs".
I think the fact Madonnalicious not posting this tracklist on their news site, proves there is no "official confirmation!"
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mighty dearest, it was posted by drama_boy and it came with a smile... don't get confused, even MADONNA.COM is shouting it's only 34 songs +2
Actually, Madonna.com doesn't list "+2"... just "new songs".
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I'm confused now. Is the provisional the one posted my madonnatribe or is that the final official one!
Nothing has been confirmed. The one Dramaboy posted I believe he just put together. The one originally posted is the one Madonna Tribe claims as "final", but gives no official source. Until then, we'll have to wait for an "official confirmation" to be 100% sure.
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YAWN
If it's not official, it's not official
end off discussion
why do you even WISH it to be?? Miles Away on a GH?? Give me a break... we should be happy nothing is official yet
I have to agree. I don't understand how anyone can say this is "official" when the fan site it self hasn't even done so.
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CUT THE CRAP!
What? There is no OFFICIAL SOURCE that says this is the track listing. In fact, Madonnatribe says it's the "Final Track listing", but there is no official source tied to it, nor any claim it's official.
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Sorry ladies, but the tracklist is very official.
No lady here... but how do we know?? I hope it is official, but just because some fansite claims it is official doesn't mean it is.
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She looks absolutely stunning. But where is Rocco? And LOL to her wearing such high heels on their excursion. She's lucky that she didn't break her neck or leg getting out of the boat, etc.
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Before everyone goes too wild about this..
this is not from an official source
which (hopefully) means that Miles Away and Hollywood won't be included (hope hope hope)
Be careful, I questioned it being official, and I was told to "shut the fuck up" and that this is "official" because Madonna Tribe says so!!
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neut- Mimi's video has been out for weeks now, got previewed on America's Got Talent, Mimi performed on that very show, she appeared on BET's 106 & Park to premiere the second "Obsessed" video and her label has been pushing the track at radio (why it's still climbing in airplay). So, alittle bit of difference between promo for the singles.
Rumos is the "Celebration" remixes will be on iTunes this coming week(which, would be typical WB planning, with the video not set to debut for another couple of weeks).
Unfortunately (or is it fortunate? LOL), I don't watch those shows, nor listen to radio, so I guess that is why I don't hear much about her new stuff. But it only proves that unless your a big fan or looking for all these promotional gigs, the average guy doesn't see them. However, I do recognize "America's Got Talent" is probably a wise promotional gig being it's a popular show, so no doubt it will be seen by the average dude then let's say Bet's 106 and Park.
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All of that is valid but Rain was NOT one of the biggest hits in the US or anywhere else. Unless one counts the 20th biggest...
No doubt it's not close to being her biggest hit in the U.S., but "Rain" did manage to have longevity on radio. In fact, I can't recall "Erotica" and "Deeper and Deeper" being played much on radio. I'm sure there were certain regions in the U.S., it was played more. Though, "Erotica" seem more like one of those instant #1 songs that quickly was brushed aside on radio. U.S. radio really gave some love to "Rain". In fact it charted better than "Holiday" and this is included on the GH's. But of course, I would have to say you can't compare "Holiday" with "Rain". One is definitely "classic" why the other was a somewhat last ditch effort to save the album "Erotica".
"Celebration" OFFICIAL TRACKLIST!
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You don't! But I suspect you will though. Die Hard fans will simply pick this up to add to their collection and for the two new songs. Casual fans probably won't even notice the differences in the songs and enjoy the fact they will get a lot of her great hits on one collection.