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But Madonna has worked with the same people on different projects, it's just the way she utilises them, to recreate something fresh. That's something Madonna is superb at.
I actually agree. And I really don't have a problem with her working people in the past. I guess what humors me is the many fans who insist she work with this person or that person, hoping to create some new and fresh sound, yet beg for her to work with people she's worked with before in the same breath. Whether it's someone new or old, it never guarantees she's going to produce something to everyone's liking. And the proof is... almost every album she's produce (especially more of late) there is always a mix reaction from fans.
I keep going back to "Celebration" and remember the uproar from many fans who didn't like the song because it sounded dated. The same goes for "Girl Gone Wild" and "Turn Up The Radio" and these songs involved newer people. Yet, two of the most loved songs on MDNA ("Falling Free" and "Love Spent") did include older collabs. But then again, we have another much fan favorite "I'm Addicted" which was co-written with same people who wrote/produced "Girl Gone Wild".
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Madonna is not smoking from a bong getting high. Has Madonna ever done drugs? Sure. That's not a mystery. But even her closest friends like Debi pretty much said flat out that by and large Madonna never touched the stuff. Why would she suddenly turn into a middle aged baked woman now?
Let alone with her children like someone insinuated.
If you honestly think Madonna is getting high with her kids you obviously haven't paid very close attention to her. This is a woman that was upset by her daughter smoking a cig for crying out loud.
Unless Madonna has turned to it to help with her rheumatoid arthritis.
By and large, I agree with essentially what you're saying here, but did she really get that upset about her daughter smoking? Yes, when asked about it, she acted like she didn't approve, but at the same time, she was very clear she knew her daughter is a teen who will be exposed to these things and will be curious.
We all can sit here and speculate... and I'm sure I'm adding to it, but I do feel that Madonna pretty much exposes her kids at an early age to the things much of us discover on our own or told not to do/touch/say. I feel she doesn't really shield her kids from the realities going on in life and around her life. Not to say, she doesn't teach her kids drugs and alcohol are bad, but I don't think she's going to go ape shit when they try it either. What better way for them to experience it all than see the people around them using it.
I do think she sets a good example in living a healthy lifestyle with a diet regimen and daily exercise, and staying fit. In the end, I think she knows her kids will make choices that she won't approve of, even if she's done the same in her younger days. Though, she lives by setting example, and I see so far Rocco and Lourdes seem to be doing just fine.
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Think of all the dumb shit Fafa tried to do to get headlines. Performed half naked at the VMA's. Nothing. Looked like a drugged out loon standing on top of the Berlin Wall raising her hands to the sky. Nothing. Arriving to an award show on a fake horse. Nothing. Does a duet with Christina on The Voice. *crickets*
Madonna. Simply posts a pick of a cock bong. HEADLINES!
Can we really say one article from DAILY MAIL (which most everyone usually criticizes) is "Headlines"? Who else is really talking about this but hardcore fans on fan forums and social media? Not defending Gaga, but in all fairness she has created more headlines with her crazy behavior even if it's not gone the way she hoped.
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Madonna needs Dave Hall again! Human nature part 2 would be my dream
Not intended specifically at you, but I don't understand the idea of fans wanting her to work with people she's worked with in the past? I remember distinctly when the song 'Celebration' came out, many fans were ripping it to shreds because it sounded too much like something she did already. So why would one want her to go back to someone she's worked with before, chancing she's going to just reproduce a sound she's already done? I know many people were excited when they heard William Orbit came back on board for MDNA, but it certainly didn't recreate the same vibe RAY OF LIGHT had.
I guess what confuses me is the contradiction within a lot of fans. Many say they want her to work with someone new and/or fresh and when she does, they criticize it for sounding dated... (Girl Gone Wild & Celebration anyone?). And then fans say they want her to work with these people she worked with before such as Pat Leonard, thinking they are gonna be able to come up with something different? I'm not saying it's not entirely possible. It's just if one doesn't want her to chance of creating or recreating something that is dated, why would they want them to go back to that same person who helped her produce or create that sound?
For me, I honestly don't care who she gets. I can say that I've enjoyed more of her work than not. She hasn't disappointed me. I don't think working with someone in the past or someone new, makes a big difference. In the end, she can create a fantastic album, ahead of it's time, but it doesn't necessarily mean it will guarantee a hit. And I know that if an album and the singles don't get mainstream success, there will be many fans jumping on that wagon of how it's accepted by the public. Face it, more than likely any future Madonna album whether it's great in our eyes or not, will never surpass or equal the same success some of her most successful albums. And for me, a great album isn't measured by how many top 40 hits it generates or if it gets radio airplay. I leave that to the youngsters who think radio plays great music, when in most cases, the music industry/radio dictates what are hits which is again geared toward the youth.
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I see the strategy here. Like Aguilera did for A Great Big World's "Say Something", they are hoping to repeat the formula of suddenly adding another vocalist on a song that was featured on The Voice. The problem I have with it, Lady Gaga and Christina sound quite similar. In fact, if I didn't know that DWUW was by Lady Gaga, I may have mistaken Christina as the singer. No doubt, DWUW is the best track on Lady Gaga's latest album. They know it and they are doing everything to keep it afloat by capitalizing on a new found interest in Christina.
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Yeah but does this mean she was smoking from it? Maybe she was throwing it out (hence the OUT WITH THE OLD IN WITH THE NEW caption)? Maybe Brahim gave it to her and she just disposing of all his shit.
There really is much we do not know.
Exactly. I'm sure many of us here have been given gag gifts we don't necessarily use or have any use for. Being in the business she's in, she certainly has friends who are in all kinds of shit. Does that mean she does it or approves what they do? No.
She obviously was being humorous and naughty. Probably hoping to make a few people squirm or bitch and moan she posted it. LOL!
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I don't see it, she likes very handsome men. I'm not criticizing his looks but he's not handsome, cute definately.
Apart from the speculation from one picture.... Madonna seems to be attracted to unconventional looking men. I mean that in a good way. If you look back at many of the men she dated and even married, they weren't necessarily the greatest looking men. Yes, many of them had their own distinguishing good looks, but I thought men like Sean, Brahim, and Carlos Leon weren't necessarily these great looking men, even though they had features I can see that was attractive. Of course, it's all subjective. I recall a lot of people back in the day thought Sean Penn was an awkward pairing for the two.
Anyway, it's just a picture. Doesn't mean she's dating the guy. If she is, good for her. It's none of our business anyway.
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and....
She does look a little bit like Madonna. Kind of like how that Dancing With The Stars person looks abit like Kylie!
I think she looks like Madonna a lot. And those black and white pics too. Love the look in the one that Neutrocks posted!!!!
She clearly looks like Madonna a lot and that's a fact. And so does the girl in those b/w pix, especially in the last one.
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No she doesn't!
Nobody posted in this thread looks like Madonna! Some people are so retarded, I swear.Yet....
She does looks like Madonna. Not completely the same but she's pretty.
I see Madonna and Kylie here
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I swear some people are just oversensitive and can't accept that others have their own opinions! She doesn't look like Madonna at all.
Please point out where I said you weren't entitled to your opinion? You barged in here insulting people for no good reason. Yet, I'm the one being "oversensitive"?
I posted this because I felt it would be a cool thing to share with fans. But as usual, you and some others have to come into every thread and turn it upside down and start shit with people.
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great, thanks!
I love topics like this. I believe there was a female singer in the late 90s or early 90s (I think her name was Charlene or something) and she also resembles madonna a bit (specifically with the brunette hair from the like a prayer video).and of course no one is gonna look exactly like M. she isn't a twin. but it's cool to see some women (and men) with similar features. no need to call people retarded.
Thank you! I swear some just want to take the piss out of every post made and insult people.
She does look a lot like Madonna, and that's why I posted it. I knew others would appreciate it as yourself. Thanks.
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Is it a man or a woman
It's a woman. And please, let's not get caddy here. I realize she's not exactly like Madonna. This post isn't about bashing innocent people. I genuinely felt that she looked strikingly similar to Madonna back in the day. She does. End of Story!
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she looks a lot like her!
there's this guy on instagram (i think he's a famous photographer, ricardo or something? i think chelle said he's friends with beyonce) and he recently posted pics of a woman looking so much like madonna. im certain she has to be related.
edit: sorry if this is a bit off topic, don't wanna take away attention to the original post but didn't know where else to put it and thought this was quite fitting
hope u don't mind.No, it's fine. In fact, I had thought to ask people to post about people they knew that looked similar to Madonna, not so much celebrities or drag queen.
not cool posting my facebook pics
You lie! Thanks for the laugh though.
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Is that you Neurocks? You've changed
As I stated above.... I found it on a friend of a friend's page.
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I found this on a friend of a friend's social page. She looks so much like Madonna from the Virgin era. Not sure what's going on with the one eye looking darker than the other including eyeliner, but nevertheless she just as beautiful as the Queen herself.
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Well..... it's so stupid! I love Madonna outtakes, are amazing. But many people are saying that it shouldn't be shared because it's unflattering of Madonna, but I don't care.... we don't care, right?... this is a Mrs. with 55 years old!! what can expect?. The problem is when other fans come to laugh of this type of pictures..... But, is Madonna, is THE QUEEN...AND WE ALWAYS WILL SUPPORT!
Not that I disagree with what you say here, but I can understand the opposition. I mean; outtakes aren't NEW. There always have been "outtakes" from photo sessions and certainly there have been takes Madonna prefer never to see again. Some have come from her earlier days and they have come to surface more lately. And while some of them can be just as great as the ones that were published, you can bet there will be some horrible ones especially in Madonna's eyes. I'm sure back then, she (or any other entertainer) wouldn't have thought the pics would see the light of day. Back then, there seem to be, a more level of respect and discreetness to photos that aren't use... whether they are trashed or just sealed away in a vault somewhere. These days, it seems our world is fascinated in showing the public the ugly side and negative side of things. It seems with each new decade, it gets worse. Just think back in the 40's and 50's, where even the media wouldn't dare expose the things they do now about celebrities. I understand, it's good for business, but in the end, all it is, is trying to find a way to degrade the celebrity. Madonna pretty much came from an era where Glamor stayed glamorous and you rarely saw the negative or ugly side of things, but anymore with easy and quick access to a medium, people seem to be more thrilled over hearing about the ugly and bad things about people, rather the good things. Part of me thinks and understands... especially with celebrities, it allows the normal folk to see that these celebrities don't necessarily wake up and look this beautiful. We see there is work to it whether it's make-up or photoshop. But again, it just seems anymore people thrive on the worst.
All I know is that if that original picture in question was real, Madonna would have made sure that it was deleted or would not approve it to be released/leaked. But it happens! I still think it's been altered though as I explained above.
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The pic on page 3 looks fine, but that one from the first page does not. Something looks very off- tis all.
I have to agree. In fact, I was ready to believe it was real because I agree a force like that can produce some unflattering motion pics. But once Whoopiedoo posted the close ups above, I am more convinced it's been altered. Anyone with any knowledge of photoshop can see something has been done to it. There are these lines on one side of her abdomen going into her belly, while conveniently the other side is quite smooth. Also, there is too much flab there within her belly region that in other pics from that session prove she's quite tight and fit in that area. There are many photo programs which come with warped effect that can produce that unflattering look. If you wish to believe it's real, then why not zoom in on the other shots from that session when she's in motion. You'll see that she doesn't have enough flab in that section for it to move that far into her belly.
What's delusional is for people to think that any seasoned photographer couldn't capture an unflattering moment. That's just absurd to think that since a photo session can be quite grueling. It's a series of shots and anyone who has had any experience in photography would know that a split second could capture a very unflattering moment. There are plenty of great photographers over the years who shot Madonna who have had unflattering or not so great pics of her within a photo session where some of her most iconic images came from. However, in the case of the original picture in question, it's been clearly altered!
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The quote makes no sense. You're all getting worked up over nothing. It wasn't meant to throw any shade towards Madonna or show Miley made more of an iconic moment. You people spend too much hating on people and things for the ridiculous reasons. And yes, she does have a point from what I make of what is being said. People tend to reference back to a certain point of one's career and assume that's all that person is capable of doing, and when they do something different, they are shocked at how tame they were.
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Oh the DRAMA! Who really sees these pics and cares? The hardcore fans and some nutcases who like to stir shit. For the most part, the general public haven't a clue and see Madonna on a pretty superficial level. And I agree, the more you piss and moan about stupid shit like this, the more attention you give it, and before you know it, it's published on a hugely popular source that the general public sees. Still, I don't think leaks of pics like this will make it to any general media forum where non-fans will see it.
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You will only get disappointed if you have too much expectations. Sure, I envy the fans who lived through M's glory days. I just try to be grateful she's doing a lot when she shouldn't have to. She's had a great 30 year career. Most artists would've retired and slobbed their life away now. She doesn't.
Will she match her previous success? Who knows? If she does, great! I'll be glad to live with that era. If not, I have her entire catalogue to enjoy for the rest of my life. Things are different now than they used to be. And in a declining or suffering music industry, she's still doing great, not as great as what you'd expect her to be but great compared to her older contemporaries and the younger poptarts.
Exactly. In fact, one thing that is clear with Madonna she still hasn't lost that drive and ambition to create. While it may seem she's taking a break from music, she's still very active in creating. There is no doubt in my mind, she always writing or cultivating an idea almost on a daily basis.
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This....
Just reading through this thread.....I hate to say it, but I think it's time some of you just turn in your Madonna fan card for now....as far as expecting new music you will actually like from her. The "ray of lighters" need to realize that 1998-2002 will never be duplicated again. At this point, HC has been almost 6 years ago, that's over half a decade......if you don't like anything she's done since BEFORE that, I think it's safe to say that you're just not a fan of her new stuff anymore Which is fine, but let's not talk about how we want her to get inspired and that she hasn't been 100% passionate about her work etc because truly, her creative process hasn't changed. Just because someone dislikes something she does, doesn't mean she was less passionate about creating it. The best approach any fan can take toward Madonna is to have no expectations and roll with the punches.
and this...
Agree. I don't care what some of these people say. I have ZERO doubt in my mind had it sold more or produced a hit single or two that the perception would be different. In fact, before and right at release many were calling it her best since ROL. Even our very own forum scrooge GSM claimed as such (if memory serves me right......granted I HIGHLY doubt he'd say that now).....feel free to look it up if you want.
Also, I can remember before HU really took off, many were saying she was desperate, dry of ideas (recycling her own lyrics and using an ABBA beat) and copying Gwen Stefani with the whole "clock theme". Cut to a couple months later when COADF was atop all the charts in the world, selling 7 million copies and HU was number one in a gazillion countries and it was one of the best albums of her career, she was back in true form etc etc etc. I'm sorry, but if that album had flopped people would label it as Euro cheese......I say that and COADF IS one of my faves by her but I'm just being realistic.
I've noticed for some time now that some fans tend to follow what all the critics say or base their opinion of the album on how it charts or is accepted by the general public. For the life of me, I can't understand why some fans can't just enjoy the music as intended, rather tear it apart based on if it sold a million or charted successfully. Great music isn't measured by chart success and sales. There are plenty of musicians who aren't even well known who have great music. There are plenty of fantastic songs and albums out there that never reached the top ten or sold a million copies.
I was there when Madonna became such a phenomenon in the 80's. People were writing her off back then, but she proved them wrong. And with each new era and album, she seems to find a way to stick out. But "realistically", I know musicians her age have a hard time keeping that mainstream success due to the fact, the music world is youth oriented. And as long as she keeps doing music, I have no doubt that she will find a way in making a splash with it, but it will never ever be like it was before. Much of her success anymore relies on her huge fan base that stick by her through thick and thin... and touring.
With her next album, I don't "expect" anything. I just enjoy everything. I try not to compare her new work with the past. She's been doing this for 30 years now. She has yet to let me down, and even if she never gets a top 40 hit, I will always still enjoy her new music. She hasn't strayed too far away from the sound I always enjoy from her.
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is this one of the very few times when she performed a single from a former album while promoting a new one?????
Not at all. Within this specific era, she did far more promotional performances on TV world-wide than she's probably ever done. She usually would end her set by saying she was told to perform an oldie, so she switched it up at each appearance and performed songs like "Like A Prayer" at the Mtv: On The Record. "Like A Virgin" while promoting in the Virgin Record store. She also performed "Music" and "Don't Tell Me" on various shows.
She pretty much started doing this when she started doing promotional tours again with her records, starting with MUSIC album. "Holiday" was performed at promotional club shows.
Fast Forward, and while doing promotional performances for Confessions... album, she performed "Everybody". And on her Hard Candy promo tour, she performed "Hung Up" and "Music".
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I can't imagine Madonna ever doing a complete show of Ballads. She enjoys the high energy performances too much. Though, I wouldn't rule out in the future her doing a one off acoustic stripped down set of her hits, but more in an intimate setting.
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I thought for this latest episode (the MDNA/Vogue one) it was not released to the press that she was to be the guest that day (when they taped)?
You have to be kidding me, if you really think those people showed up randomly. I know Ellen's audience can be quite a lively group, but much of her audience tends to be mainly female. Not all, but much of it is. That day, there were plenty of flaming queens in that audience. And it was obvious they were there to see Madonna.
Lady Gaga: Karma called and her name is Lina Morgana.
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But we're talking about the Billboard Hot 100 here, right? You do realize this chart has always been about a combination of sales, most plays on radio and Jukeboxes. The only difference is that the chart has been updated for the times. That chart really hasn't changed. It still ranks what is considered the most popular songs based on sales and plays. I don't see why streaming/plays from other media sources shouldn't be counted? Especially in these cases when it is the consumer who is choosing what they want to see and hear. If anything, I would think the outrage should be over RADIO since it's more dictated to the general public. I mean I've read so many posts outraged about "payola" for radio to play songs. Streams to me is a more accurate in what is popular. So shouldn't you be more happy it's also based on what people are actually choosing to play? Of course, you can say certain fan bases could hit the replay button a zillion times, but how is that any different than radio Deejays force feeding us songs through radio? There's always a catch 22 to everything.
Billboard consists of many charts anymore. To me, a separated sales chart speaks volumes for a popular artist. And before radio was so controlled, Hot 100, used to be a fair way to measure popularity as they relied more on requests and reactions to the songs they played. So bringing in the "streaming" factor evens the playing field, in my perspective.