neutrocks
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Yes, I have heard it. Horrible edits. HORRIBLE. I mean, anybody with some time and patience can perfectly match up the beginning and ends of beats and figure it out. And how hard can it be to track down the original tapes/files? Or at the very least, use a promo as a source (she can easily afford to BUY them if they can't locate any otherwise). It really is a shame. My guess is that some of the final decisions about versions were made at the very last minute, and some asstard was given 10 hours to edit all those tracks together. That's the only explanation I can think of. Again, Warners/Rhino has done much better quality stuff. Sure, they've fucked up some big releases, but they've also released some good archival stuff recently.
By the way, mastering isn't simply tweaking volume. It's making sure an entire album sounds good on ANY sound sytem, carefully tweaking EQ (bass/treble/everything in between), normalizing - or not, hopefully NOT adding too much - or any - hiss reduction, and really making an album sound the best it can sound. Good mastering engineers are highly sought after, and the most famous (Bob Ludwig is one) are often seen on major releases. You can't just do a good mastering job with some rinky dink set-up. Even mixers and producers hardly ever master because it requires such skill.
Well, as mentioned, I've listened to this a few times now and while I do notice some edits, it's really not as bad as I think you and some others are making it out to be. Maybe you're right, it could have been better remastered from the actual originals, but from what I'm hearing, this is pretty damn good still. A lot of the tracks have been digitally mastered when originally put on the albums from LAP and onwards. The older tracks and the ones never remastered, sound much better than the originals. Even the versions used from the TIC sound even better. As for the edits, it's only noticeable to us because we know what the originals or other mixes sounded like. I don't really think they are that bad!
I guess it's just a matter of perception.
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I love how the initial press release blurb said "exquisitely remastered"
Well, whatever the fuck they did... it still sounds "exquisite".
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Q Sound has nothing to do with mastering. It's with MIXING. It's a process that was used to mix songs. There was an actual console sold to people to do it. Nowadays, the safe effect can easily be done with ProTools during the mixing process.
The edits in general are just LAZY, including the fade-ups on American Life tracks. It's obvious they didn't even go back to the original masters (which would be been TAPE masters from 1982-1995!). They simply took the CD versions and tweaked the bass and edited them with some shitty audio program. What a fucking joke. Who is the mastering engineer quoted in the booklet? That person should be hung up by the balls (if it's a guy). Damn. This is the laziest shit, and instead of blaming Warner Bros, blame Madonna because SHE HAS APPROVAL POWER in her releases! She almost always has. People don't understand that.
May I ask? Have you heard the 2 Cd set yet?
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I thought they put the shorter IC mixes on there cause they ran out of space. But apparently there was some room?
The running time of the tracks are 157.44. In other words, they pretty much used the customary 80 mins sparingly on both CDs. I imagine they had to make many compromises to make things fit.
"Holiday" and "Frozen"are deservingly the longest tracks in this package. And I am not a huge fan of "Frozen", but it sounds fantastic here. And "Miles Away" fits quite well between "Frozen" and "Take A Bow".
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^That's good, and appreciated. I don't remember exact exchanges, but it's fine to do that- if you want to keep it positive, though, do just that and not comment negatively on someone else's viewpoint.
I find it odd that WB would not just stick to one kind of version- i.e. either all radio/single versions, all album versions or all Immaculate Collection versions (as unpopular as they may have been with some hardcore fans. hehe) OK, I can see how using all album versions would not work (given running time). And I can see how it would not want to use all IC versions. So why not all radio/single versions? That is my biggest head-scratcher. Just looks so random fo them to use an album version here, a radio edit there and an IC version here or there.
Maybe WB should have gone with all radio/single edits- but on that note, tracks like "Frozen" and "Hung Up" are more enjoyable in their lengthier versions. So, again, it's likely that any route WB took would not satuisfy everyone.
Actually, if you read back, I only responded to basically an attack on me. It was unwarranted. I think I have every right to respond to that to clarify where I stand. But I did ignore the other attacks by the other member which I hope Admin. will deal with.
And Holiday Guy, believe me... once you hear all these in the way it's presented, you're not going to care what versions and edits made. You may hear the differences, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it just the same. I know I am. In fact, I think the 2nd CD is so far my favorite, apart to that the first CD sounds just as fantastic.
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I want so badly to ask if anyone could send a rip of the album my way. But I'm also trying really hard to hold off until Sept. 29th.
Do I give in and listen, or do I wait until the release date?
Ugh, my very own 'Sophie's Choice!'
I gave in. I figured I've heard all the new songs and all the songs on this CD. But if you hold out, more power to you.
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'clicking' on music like for fuck sake what a joke!
I've just re-listened to "Music", I don't hear any "clicking noise". I am listening to the song through BOSE headphones. I hear a lot of the effects and percussion which I am wondering if some are confusing as "clicking"??
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I imagine I'll enjoy the album- heck, I thoroughly enjoy The Immaculate Collection, and look how some hardcore fans go on about that one. Not everyone will be satisfied- I mean, the closest-to-perfect product could be put out, and I have no doubt that someone out there still would find something they didn't like about it. Just the way of the world.
I agree, but I feel like this is a repeat of the thread regarding which versions were being used before everyone knew which ones were actually being used. Remember how everyone got bent out of shape (wanting to write petitions, etc.) because a few were convinced most all the songs were pulled from TIC? It was pure speculation and people just went ape shit over it. The same is going on here. Many people commenting haven't even heard the 2 CD set. They are relying on a few who have heard it and have an issue with what I consider quite trivial. As mentioned, I am on my second run on the album and everything sounds great. I am listening with my BOSE headphones. It sounds fantastic. And while I agree a few edits make no sense, there are a lot great aspects to this album. "Dress You Up" sounds incredible!!! "Into The Groove", "Lucky Star", "Everybody" and "Burning Up" are awesome!! "Revolver" sounds better than the leak from the other day. You can hear her vocals much better.
Anyway, I am just trying to offer an alternate response here since so many people are so upset.
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So what about starting a write-in campaign like ursa said?
Not sure what that would accomplish since the CD's are out? It's pretty trivial to me. I hear the differences, but it's not so horrible as people are making it out to be. It's not like they are going to recall all the CDs and start over. Not going to happen.
Believe me, once you get a copy of the CD, you're not going to care anymore about these trivial things. Everything still sounds great!!
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Anyway, I on my second listen of the 2 CD Greatest Hits. I think it's great. Everything sounds great. And "Revolver" sounds better than the leak. And "Dress You Up"... AWESOME!! Put the headphones on when listening to this one!! I would have never thought about the edit @ 2:55 with "Cherish". I think it was quite smooth. Not sure why it was necessary though?
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Obviously there are people here who know their shit and their opinions are valuable and informative. Yes we get it, Madonna is like THE BEST EVER and the sun shines out of her ass. Can the rest of us that actually give a shit about quality control continue the conversation without your incessant hysterical idiocy? I mean REALLY.
I never said that!! And you obviously, only choose to remember very few threads I post in, because I always attest that I don't like everything she does. But I just don't see the point of bringing up things I don't like all the time.
I think what sucks is that you pretty much attacked me for posting my opinion and have continued to do so by calling my comments "incessant hysterical idiocy". So now when a fan offers a positive perspective you find it "incessant hysterical idiocy"? WTF??
You need to practice what you preach because it's like you're basically telling me that I can't post a positive perspective on things, yet you can post any damn negative crap you like about Madonna. That seems quite fucked up and backward at a Madonna appreciation forum. I never said you couldn't post negative things or things you dislike, I just offered I don't understand why people are so negative and must over analyze things all the time.
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I'm sorry, wil you butt in in EVERY THREAD to post your cut and paste 'stop being negative' bullshit? I think everyone GETS IT by now. You're just fucking spamming.
Oh shut the fuck up already!! Stop trying to start shit! I just offered my opinion, and I was being respectful. If anyone butted in here, it's you by posting this bullshit. I am entitled to my say as I suspect you think you're entitled to your say. I find it quite irritating that some people think they can burst into any thread and offer... what I can easily turn around in what you said as... "copy and paste negative bullshit" and then chastise me for offering something more positive to the situation. I guess than by your assessment, you and many others who are always fuckin' negative are spamming.
J esus fucking Christ!! What's so wrong with offering a positive perspective? For fucks sake, not everyone prefers to keep over analyzing every freakin' detail and be constantly negative about everything she does. In any event, I am just saying, I think some people are just nitpicking as usual. I've been listening to this over and over and while I agree these aren't all remastered from the original, it's not as big of a deal as some people are making it.
So I'm fucking sorry for actually offering a positive perspective on something that isn't a big fucking deal TO ME.
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I'm listening to the full 2 CD set right now. I am a hard core fan and I am enjoying the shit out of this. I don't get the comments regarding "fake edits"?? How can it be "fake" when it's just the song edited? I understand it may not be the original version or some other version you were hoping for, but it's really a minor issue. In the end, it's a fun and enjoyable compilation. I can't imagine anyone but a hard core fan noticing the difference and I'd suspect they'd have every version out there. And someone may say it's "lazy", but again I suspect no one else but picky fans would care or notice the difference.
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Buy another copy!
No need to. I'm buying both formats anyway.
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The 2CD poster is of the cover image and it's blank on the reverse side.
I was hoping for that. It'll be nice not having to worry about hanging that baby up without taking away from the rest of the booklet. Thanks for clarifying that.
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So what's the other side of the poster for both single & doube CD?
Dun tell it's BLANK. WB wouldn't be so dumb rite?
From what I've heard (but don't quote me on this), but the SINGLE CD booklet folds out to the poster where the back side displays these images and the credits:
And the double CD has a poster that folds out (which has a separate booklet) with probably a similar montage of images above or it's just blank. I hope it's blank.
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Ehm?
You must have missed i'm one of the biggest supporters of her around here?
You must have missed the "fights" I had with her haters..
Did I say I didn't like the track? READ AGAIN! I though it was better than Celebration & Revolver! I even praised her voice in it because I thought it was unusual for her to sing that way.
Don't just read the first sentence before making an opinion ok?
There are people being FAR MORE negative about her and her stuff than me... plz jump on them before saying it to me ok?
Believe me, I read more than just the first sentence. And I recall the many many other posts you made which have been quite negative. Anyway, I am not going to argue about this. You're just among the same bunch of negative nannies who complain, bitch and moan about everything she does.
And no, I've missed those "fights with haters" you claim. Don't really care either because the I think the "gay" reference really says a lot. Like "Crystal Coffin" mentioned, it was just "hateful". But whateva...
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Very gay lol so that gets a little minus for me
BUT
this is BETTER than Celebration & Revolver
WHY? Because it actually sounds somewhat original
I like her voice in this... interesting way of singing, not sure i've heard her like this before... it's a little bit jazzy/old-school type of singing isn't it?
I would prefer this without the club-beat though... but it really is better than Celebration/Revolver because it's actually interesting
You're another who always contributes nothing but negativity to everything Madonna does it seems. I apologize if I've missed anything different, but I just can't fathom why you are even here, other than to piss on everyone's parade. It's one thing to to voice your dislike for one or two songs, but it seems EVERYTHING I read from you regarding Madonna is always negative.
It's just too bad some people just can't just enjoy this as it's intended!! I really miss those days before internet brought out all the negative nannies. What happened to the days when we just enjoyed the releases and not harp so much on what we dislike, but concentrate on what we do like? UGH!
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OMG, it leaked! I can't believe this! Lovin' it!!
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Exactly!
So I believe that DOUBLE CD is with the booklet and poster separately.
In this photo we can see the poster behind the album (with booklet inside)
good eye!! It kinda makes sense to pack the 2 CD set with more. Most of the die hard fans will buy the 2 CD set while most casual fans, etc., who buy the 1 CD set won't care much about the lack of booklet or they'd just purchase the 2 CD set.
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I dont understand one thing ...
Can you see in the SINGLE CD the booklet it opens to form the poster.
Already on DOUBLE CD seems to be a booklet and we can see the clip that holds the pages. I canot see it opening like a poster.
Anyway... I lovedddddd sooo muchhh!
You know what?? You might have a point. I think the single CD only has a fold out poster for it's booklet. Below is the back side which is actually the booklet:
If you look, you see the top right square image while it's in the CD tray. And then when it's unfolded, you see it's the top right corner there with the credits for all the songs is below, lying on it's side. So yeah, I am thinking that the poster is the booklet for the 1 CD. (Awaits for some to go completely bonkers over this one. LOL!)
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Here the back of the 2 CD format:
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I don't understand..
The double-CD is with a poster and a booklet??? Really???
Is that possible or am I dreaming?
Nope, you're not dreaming. Both include a poster. The double gets the colored version with text on it while the single Cd gets the black and white version. The booklet looks pretty small, so I am not expecting a lot of content on it other than what I've posted already. Though it appears the 2 CD has a slightly bigger booklet to it.
And Voguer, I think that part is pretty cool too. I also like the splattered heart where the CD lays over.
CELEBRATION: A RETARDATION.
in ARCHIVE - Madonna
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Go back and you'll see I basically stated that as I noted a little more than 2 mins left between the two discs. And you're right they could have added another song if they used a different edit of the longer songs. But you know what, I really don't think they thought too much about the time, rather they were considering what songs they were going to use.