neutrocks
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In 10 years if Gag is still doing her thing and topping the charts I will give her props, but until then I will continue to laugh at her and her "fans" for elevating her to the status of a music legend despite the fact that she only has 1 fucking album out.
And just think, back in the mid 80's, a lot of people thought of Madonna in the same way. Difference is, it took more than one album to get Madonna as phenomenally famous. A lot of people thought she would never last. No doubt, she proved them wrong. Kudos to her. But I don't understand this lynch mentality for any female (such as Ga Ga) who may become hugely popular in the sense Madonna became in her early days. Of course, there will always be people who will disagree with the idea Lady Ga Ga is even in the same ball park as Madonna, and I am not saying she is, but the fact is that Lady Ga Ga is hugely popular. She's managed a number of big hits from single #1. I think she's fantastic. I have room to enjoy her as well as many other famous female artists that are out today. In no way, do I make comparison checks because in the end, it's all about just having fun. I think some people make this as a competition. Madonna sure doesn't!
I've always thought if one has to run down another entertainer to make their favorite artist look better, they lack confidence in their support for their favorite entertainer.
Music is to be enjoyed... it's not a contest!
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All I can say is that while she was a force to reckon with before '86, it was the moment this album came out, there was no going back for me:
This is one of the images that will be forever implanted in my mind when thinking of Madonna. ICONIC! But of course, there are hundreds of other photoshoots that I love, but the one above and the following are two of my most favorites:
And I still think "Cherish" is probably her most SEXIST video ever:
While it was a horrible plot of a film, Who's That Girl is my most favorite film she acted in. "Niki Finn" was just fantastic and adorable:
"Take A Bow" is ultimately one of my most favorite ballads by Madonna along side "I'll Remember" and "Live To Tell"
And while I've enjoyed all her tours to date, my ultimate fav is RIT:
And of course, two of her best indisputable live vocal performances are these two numbers:
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=dXtIFWA3bSU
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http://www.youtube.c...h?v=cfrRrw-KsLU
LONG LIVE MADONNA!!!!!
oh, and one more thing. I think Madonna kicks ass when playing guitar:
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This is from the Examiner. Enough said.
Anyway, I think Lady Ga Ga is great. She's a great entertainer. I don't need to compare her to Madonna, nor am I threatened by her popularity compared to Madonna. The two are two separate artists who equally entertain me. I enjoy them both and that is all that matters.
Lady Ga Ga's performance was great. Comparing it to Madonna's Like A Virgin is like comparing Apples and Oranges. Both equally delicious, but not the same.
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he's obviously lying and not accepting the facts.
Lying?? Why would I lie? That's just ridiculous to make such a comment. I've been listening to this over and over. I hear no clicks and pops as mentioned. There is no need to accuse me of lying. I can't believe the "shit stirring" comments people are making over this.
I'll tell you what I do know that some people who scream at others for letting them have their say, do not allow others the same courtesy!!
It seems to me the norm here is if you're not bitching and moaning or flaming someone, than you are the target of being flamed!!!
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Will you just shut up you f'ing loon. The "remastering" job is awful...WTF were they thinking...
What a sweetheart you are!
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Sorry guys, but I still don't hear any pops/clicks in "Music". I checked TheRain mentions where he claims to hear it, and I don't hear it. Again, I am using very good headphones and this song is very crisp and clear with no pops and clicks.
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I agree her voice seems much thinner (if that is the right word for it), but I do think a lot of it is due to the fact, they have altered her voice by the special effects they use as well, speeding up her voice. No doubt, I'd love to hear her lower pitched voice used in "Live To Tell" and "Who's That Girl", etc.
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No they didn't. There's 2 minutes space on disc 2. Had they used edits of Papa, Frozen, Take A Bow and Die Another Say (as they should have) there would be room for 1 more song.
Had they used an edit of Holiday on disc 1 (as they should have), there would be room for the full versions of Like A Virgin and Ray Of Light.
As for Cherish, are you kidding me that you can't tell how bad that cut is? What about Erotica? That is even worse.
I know you are enjoying this project, and that's good for you, but I find it quite hard to believe that you can't notice those things or aren't bothered by them. It's not the same as being upset about the tracklisting, it's just plain unprofessional on Warner's part. And although I won't be having sleepless nights about it I agree with Mattress.
Music, on the other hand, I can't notice any clicks either.
Go back and you'll see I basically stated that as I noted a little more than 2 mins left between the two discs. And you're right they could have added another song if they used a different edit of the longer songs. But you know what, I really don't think they thought too much about the time, rather they were considering what songs they were going to use.
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Yes, I have heard it. Horrible edits. HORRIBLE. I mean, anybody with some time and patience can perfectly match up the beginning and ends of beats and figure it out. And how hard can it be to track down the original tapes/files? Or at the very least, use a promo as a source (she can easily afford to BUY them if they can't locate any otherwise). It really is a shame. My guess is that some of the final decisions about versions were made at the very last minute, and some asstard was given 10 hours to edit all those tracks together. That's the only explanation I can think of. Again, Warners/Rhino has done much better quality stuff. Sure, they've fucked up some big releases, but they've also released some good archival stuff recently.
By the way, mastering isn't simply tweaking volume. It's making sure an entire album sounds good on ANY sound sytem, carefully tweaking EQ (bass/treble/everything in between), normalizing - or not, hopefully NOT adding too much - or any - hiss reduction, and really making an album sound the best it can sound. Good mastering engineers are highly sought after, and the most famous (Bob Ludwig is one) are often seen on major releases. You can't just do a good mastering job with some rinky dink set-up. Even mixers and producers hardly ever master because it requires such skill.
Well, as mentioned, I've listened to this a few times now and while I do notice some edits, it's really not as bad as I think you and some others are making it out to be. Maybe you're right, it could have been better remastered from the actual originals, but from what I'm hearing, this is pretty damn good still. A lot of the tracks have been digitally mastered when originally put on the albums from LAP and onwards. The older tracks and the ones never remastered, sound much better than the originals. Even the versions used from the TIC sound even better. As for the edits, it's only noticeable to us because we know what the originals or other mixes sounded like. I don't really think they are that bad!
I guess it's just a matter of perception.
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I love how the initial press release blurb said "exquisitely remastered"
Well, whatever the fuck they did... it still sounds "exquisite".
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Q Sound has nothing to do with mastering. It's with MIXING. It's a process that was used to mix songs. There was an actual console sold to people to do it. Nowadays, the safe effect can easily be done with ProTools during the mixing process.
The edits in general are just LAZY, including the fade-ups on American Life tracks. It's obvious they didn't even go back to the original masters (which would be been TAPE masters from 1982-1995!). They simply took the CD versions and tweaked the bass and edited them with some shitty audio program. What a fucking joke. Who is the mastering engineer quoted in the booklet? That person should be hung up by the balls (if it's a guy). Damn. This is the laziest shit, and instead of blaming Warner Bros, blame Madonna because SHE HAS APPROVAL POWER in her releases! She almost always has. People don't understand that.
May I ask? Have you heard the 2 Cd set yet?
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I thought they put the shorter IC mixes on there cause they ran out of space. But apparently there was some room?
The running time of the tracks are 157.44. In other words, they pretty much used the customary 80 mins sparingly on both CDs. I imagine they had to make many compromises to make things fit.
"Holiday" and "Frozen"are deservingly the longest tracks in this package. And I am not a huge fan of "Frozen", but it sounds fantastic here. And "Miles Away" fits quite well between "Frozen" and "Take A Bow".
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^That's good, and appreciated. I don't remember exact exchanges, but it's fine to do that- if you want to keep it positive, though, do just that and not comment negatively on someone else's viewpoint.
I find it odd that WB would not just stick to one kind of version- i.e. either all radio/single versions, all album versions or all Immaculate Collection versions (as unpopular as they may have been with some hardcore fans. hehe) OK, I can see how using all album versions would not work (given running time). And I can see how it would not want to use all IC versions. So why not all radio/single versions? That is my biggest head-scratcher. Just looks so random fo them to use an album version here, a radio edit there and an IC version here or there.
Maybe WB should have gone with all radio/single edits- but on that note, tracks like "Frozen" and "Hung Up" are more enjoyable in their lengthier versions. So, again, it's likely that any route WB took would not satuisfy everyone.
Actually, if you read back, I only responded to basically an attack on me. It was unwarranted. I think I have every right to respond to that to clarify where I stand. But I did ignore the other attacks by the other member which I hope Admin. will deal with.
And Holiday Guy, believe me... once you hear all these in the way it's presented, you're not going to care what versions and edits made. You may hear the differences, but I'm sure you'll enjoy it just the same. I know I am. In fact, I think the 2nd CD is so far my favorite, apart to that the first CD sounds just as fantastic.
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I want so badly to ask if anyone could send a rip of the album my way. But I'm also trying really hard to hold off until Sept. 29th.
Do I give in and listen, or do I wait until the release date?
Ugh, my very own 'Sophie's Choice!'
I gave in. I figured I've heard all the new songs and all the songs on this CD. But if you hold out, more power to you.
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'clicking' on music like for fuck sake what a joke!
I've just re-listened to "Music", I don't hear any "clicking noise". I am listening to the song through BOSE headphones. I hear a lot of the effects and percussion which I am wondering if some are confusing as "clicking"??
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I imagine I'll enjoy the album- heck, I thoroughly enjoy The Immaculate Collection, and look how some hardcore fans go on about that one. Not everyone will be satisfied- I mean, the closest-to-perfect product could be put out, and I have no doubt that someone out there still would find something they didn't like about it. Just the way of the world.
I agree, but I feel like this is a repeat of the thread regarding which versions were being used before everyone knew which ones were actually being used. Remember how everyone got bent out of shape (wanting to write petitions, etc.) because a few were convinced most all the songs were pulled from TIC? It was pure speculation and people just went ape shit over it. The same is going on here. Many people commenting haven't even heard the 2 CD set. They are relying on a few who have heard it and have an issue with what I consider quite trivial. As mentioned, I am on my second run on the album and everything sounds great. I am listening with my BOSE headphones. It sounds fantastic. And while I agree a few edits make no sense, there are a lot great aspects to this album. "Dress You Up" sounds incredible!!! "Into The Groove", "Lucky Star", "Everybody" and "Burning Up" are awesome!! "Revolver" sounds better than the leak from the other day. You can hear her vocals much better.
Anyway, I am just trying to offer an alternate response here since so many people are so upset.
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So what about starting a write-in campaign like ursa said?
Not sure what that would accomplish since the CD's are out? It's pretty trivial to me. I hear the differences, but it's not so horrible as people are making it out to be. It's not like they are going to recall all the CDs and start over. Not going to happen.
Believe me, once you get a copy of the CD, you're not going to care anymore about these trivial things. Everything still sounds great!!
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Anyway, I on my second listen of the 2 CD Greatest Hits. I think it's great. Everything sounds great. And "Revolver" sounds better than the leak. And "Dress You Up"... AWESOME!! Put the headphones on when listening to this one!! I would have never thought about the edit @ 2:55 with "Cherish". I think it was quite smooth. Not sure why it was necessary though?
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Obviously there are people here who know their shit and their opinions are valuable and informative. Yes we get it, Madonna is like THE BEST EVER and the sun shines out of her ass. Can the rest of us that actually give a shit about quality control continue the conversation without your incessant hysterical idiocy? I mean REALLY.
I never said that!! And you obviously, only choose to remember very few threads I post in, because I always attest that I don't like everything she does. But I just don't see the point of bringing up things I don't like all the time.
I think what sucks is that you pretty much attacked me for posting my opinion and have continued to do so by calling my comments "incessant hysterical idiocy". So now when a fan offers a positive perspective you find it "incessant hysterical idiocy"? WTF??
You need to practice what you preach because it's like you're basically telling me that I can't post a positive perspective on things, yet you can post any damn negative crap you like about Madonna. That seems quite fucked up and backward at a Madonna appreciation forum. I never said you couldn't post negative things or things you dislike, I just offered I don't understand why people are so negative and must over analyze things all the time.
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I'm sorry, wil you butt in in EVERY THREAD to post your cut and paste 'stop being negative' bullshit? I think everyone GETS IT by now. You're just fucking spamming.
Oh shut the fuck up already!! Stop trying to start shit! I just offered my opinion, and I was being respectful. If anyone butted in here, it's you by posting this bullshit. I am entitled to my say as I suspect you think you're entitled to your say. I find it quite irritating that some people think they can burst into any thread and offer... what I can easily turn around in what you said as... "copy and paste negative bullshit" and then chastise me for offering something more positive to the situation. I guess than by your assessment, you and many others who are always fuckin' negative are spamming.
J esus fucking Christ!! What's so wrong with offering a positive perspective? For fucks sake, not everyone prefers to keep over analyzing every freakin' detail and be constantly negative about everything she does. In any event, I am just saying, I think some people are just nitpicking as usual. I've been listening to this over and over and while I agree these aren't all remastered from the original, it's not as big of a deal as some people are making it.
So I'm fucking sorry for actually offering a positive perspective on something that isn't a big fucking deal TO ME.
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I'm listening to the full 2 CD set right now. I am a hard core fan and I am enjoying the shit out of this. I don't get the comments regarding "fake edits"?? How can it be "fake" when it's just the song edited? I understand it may not be the original version or some other version you were hoping for, but it's really a minor issue. In the end, it's a fun and enjoyable compilation. I can't imagine anyone but a hard core fan noticing the difference and I'd suspect they'd have every version out there. And someone may say it's "lazy", but again I suspect no one else but picky fans would care or notice the difference.
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Buy another copy!
No need to. I'm buying both formats anyway.
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The 2CD poster is of the cover image and it's blank on the reverse side.
I was hoping for that. It'll be nice not having to worry about hanging that baby up without taking away from the rest of the booklet. Thanks for clarifying that.
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So what's the other side of the poster for both single & doube CD?
Dun tell it's BLANK. WB wouldn't be so dumb rite?
From what I've heard (but don't quote me on this), but the SINGLE CD booklet folds out to the poster where the back side displays these images and the credits:
And the double CD has a poster that folds out (which has a separate booklet) with probably a similar montage of images above or it's just blank. I hope it's blank.
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I would think that is due to the fact her true aspirations was to become an established ACTRESS. By her second major film, she was penned as Box Office Poison. No doubt, she was determined to prove people wrong. An Oscar would probably helped her prove that.
Anyway, I don't think she has much to complain about.