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  1. Well..... it's so stupid! I love Madonna outtakes, are amazing. But many people are saying that it shouldn't be shared because it's unflattering of Madonna, but I don't care.... we don't care, right?... this is a Mrs. with 55 years old!! what can expect?. The problem is when other fans come to laugh of this type of pictures..... But, is Madonna, is THE QUEEN...AND WE ALWAYS WILL SUPPORT!

    Not that I disagree with what you say here, but I can understand the opposition. I mean; outtakes aren't NEW. There always have been "outtakes" from photo sessions and certainly there have been takes Madonna prefer never to see again. Some have come from her earlier days and they have come to surface more lately. And while some of them can be just as great as the ones that were published, you can bet there will be some horrible ones especially in Madonna's eyes. I'm sure back then, she (or any other entertainer) wouldn't have thought the pics would see the light of day. Back then, there seem to be, a more level of respect and discreetness to photos that aren't use... whether they are trashed or just sealed away in a vault somewhere. These days, it seems our world is fascinated in showing the public the ugly side and negative side of things. It seems with each new decade, it gets worse. Just think back in the 40's and 50's, where even the media wouldn't dare expose the things they do now about celebrities. I understand, it's good for business, but in the end, all it is, is trying to find a way to degrade the celebrity. Madonna pretty much came from an era where Glamor stayed glamorous and you rarely saw the negative or ugly side of things, but anymore with easy and quick access to a medium, people seem to be more thrilled over hearing about the ugly and bad things about people, rather the good things. Part of me thinks and understands... especially with celebrities, it allows the normal folk to see that these celebrities don't necessarily wake up and look this beautiful. We see there is work to it whether it's make-up or photoshop. But again, it just seems anymore people thrive on the worst.

    All I know is that if that original picture in question was real, Madonna would have made sure that it was deleted or would not approve it to be released/leaked. But it happens! I still think it's been altered though as I explained above.

  2. The pic on page 3 looks fine, but that one from the first page does not. Something looks very off- tis all.

    I have to agree. In fact, I was ready to believe it was real because I agree a force like that can produce some unflattering motion pics. But once Whoopiedoo posted the close ups above, I am more convinced it's been altered. Anyone with any knowledge of photoshop can see something has been done to it. There are these lines on one side of her abdomen going into her belly, while conveniently the other side is quite smooth. Also, there is too much flab there within her belly region that in other pics from that session prove she's quite tight and fit in that area. There are many photo programs which come with warped effect that can produce that unflattering look. If you wish to believe it's real, then why not zoom in on the other shots from that session when she's in motion. You'll see that she doesn't have enough flab in that section for it to move that far into her belly.

    What's delusional is for people to think that any seasoned photographer couldn't capture an unflattering moment. That's just absurd to think that since a photo session can be quite grueling. It's a series of shots and anyone who has had any experience in photography would know that a split second could capture a very unflattering moment. There are plenty of great photographers over the years who shot Madonna who have had unflattering or not so great pics of her within a photo session where some of her most iconic images came from. However, in the case of the original picture in question, it's been clearly altered!

  3. The quote makes no sense. You're all getting worked up over nothing. It wasn't meant to throw any shade towards Madonna or show Miley made more of an iconic moment. You people spend too much hating on people and things for the ridiculous reasons. And yes, she does have a point from what I make of what is being said. People tend to reference back to a certain point of one's career and assume that's all that person is capable of doing, and when they do something different, they are shocked at how tame they were.

  4. Oh the DRAMA! Who really sees these pics and cares? The hardcore fans and some nutcases who like to stir shit. For the most part, the general public haven't a clue and see Madonna on a pretty superficial level. And I agree, the more you piss and moan about stupid shit like this, the more attention you give it, and before you know it, it's published on a hugely popular source that the general public sees. Still, I don't think leaks of pics like this will make it to any general media forum where non-fans will see it.

  5. You will only get disappointed if you have too much expectations. Sure, I envy the fans who lived through M's glory days. I just try to be grateful she's doing a lot when she shouldn't have to. She's had a great 30 year career. Most artists would've retired and slobbed their life away now. She doesn't.

    Will she match her previous success? Who knows? If she does, great! I'll be glad to live with that era. If not, I have her entire catalogue to enjoy for the rest of my life. Things are different now than they used to be. And in a declining or suffering music industry, she's still doing great, not as great as what you'd expect her to be but great compared to her older contemporaries and the younger poptarts.

    Exactly. In fact, one thing that is clear with Madonna she still hasn't lost that drive and ambition to create. While it may seem she's taking a break from music, she's still very active in creating. There is no doubt in my mind, she always writing or cultivating an idea almost on a daily basis.

  6. This....

    Just reading through this thread.....I hate to say it, but I think it's time some of you just turn in your Madonna fan card for now....as far as expecting new music you will actually like from her. The "ray of lighters" need to realize that 1998-2002 will never be duplicated again. At this point, HC has been almost 6 years ago, that's over half a decade......if you don't like anything she's done since BEFORE that, I think it's safe to say that you're just not a fan of her new stuff anymore Which is fine, but let's not talk about how we want her to get inspired and that she hasn't been 100% passionate about her work etc because truly, her creative process hasn't changed. Just because someone dislikes something she does, doesn't mean she was less passionate about creating it. The best approach any fan can take toward Madonna is to have no expectations and roll with the punches.

    and this...

    Agree. I don't care what some of these people say. I have ZERO doubt in my mind had it sold more or produced a hit single or two that the perception would be different. In fact, before and right at release many were calling it her best since ROL. Even our very own forum scrooge GSM claimed as such (if memory serves me right......granted I HIGHLY doubt he'd say that now).....feel free to look it up if you want.

    Also, I can remember before HU really took off, many were saying she was desperate, dry of ideas (recycling her own lyrics and using an ABBA beat) and copying Gwen Stefani with the whole "clock theme". Cut to a couple months later when COADF was atop all the charts in the world, selling 7 million copies and HU was number one in a gazillion countries and it was one of the best albums of her career, she was back in true form etc etc etc. I'm sorry, but if that album had flopped people would label it as Euro cheese......I say that and COADF IS one of my faves by her but I'm just being realistic.

    I've noticed for some time now that some fans tend to follow what all the critics say or base their opinion of the album on how it charts or is accepted by the general public. For the life of me, I can't understand why some fans can't just enjoy the music as intended, rather tear it apart based on if it sold a million or charted successfully. Great music isn't measured by chart success and sales. There are plenty of musicians who aren't even well known who have great music. There are plenty of fantastic songs and albums out there that never reached the top ten or sold a million copies.

    I was there when Madonna became such a phenomenon in the 80's. People were writing her off back then, but she proved them wrong. And with each new era and album, she seems to find a way to stick out. But "realistically", I know musicians her age have a hard time keeping that mainstream success due to the fact, the music world is youth oriented. And as long as she keeps doing music, I have no doubt that she will find a way in making a splash with it, but it will never ever be like it was before. Much of her success anymore relies on her huge fan base that stick by her through thick and thin... and touring.

    With her next album, I don't "expect" anything. I just enjoy everything. I try not to compare her new work with the past. She's been doing this for 30 years now. She has yet to let me down, and even if she never gets a top 40 hit, I will always still enjoy her new music. She hasn't strayed too far away from the sound I always enjoy from her.

  7. is this one of the very few times when she performed a single from a former album while promoting a new one?????

    Not at all. Within this specific era, she did far more promotional performances on TV world-wide than she's probably ever done. She usually would end her set by saying she was told to perform an oldie, so she switched it up at each appearance and performed songs like "Like A Prayer" at the Mtv: On The Record. "Like A Virgin" while promoting in the Virgin Record store. She also performed "Music" and "Don't Tell Me" on various shows.

    She pretty much started doing this when she started doing promotional tours again with her records, starting with MUSIC album. "Holiday" was performed at promotional club shows.

    Fast Forward, and while doing promotional performances for Confessions... album, she performed "Everybody". And on her Hard Candy promo tour, she performed "Hung Up" and "Music".

  8. I thought for this latest episode (the MDNA/Vogue one) it was not released to the press that she was to be the guest that day (when they taped)?

    You have to be kidding me, if you really think those people showed up randomly. I know Ellen's audience can be quite a lively group, but much of her audience tends to be mainly female. Not all, but much of it is. That day, there were plenty of flaming queens in that audience. And it was obvious they were there to see Madonna.

  9. Well, it wasn't simply a random audience that was surprised Madonna was going to be there. Obviously, a lot of fans showed up. What do you expect? It's not like the front row concert stiffs who can afford the high priced tickets showed up.

    But of course, an excellent appearance. I guess technically it was her first appearance at that studio, but Madonna did appear on her show back in '06 when interviewed her during her Grammy appearance.

  10. Madonna is very capable of scoring another hit. A top ten hit even. Why are you people writing her off? If she proved us wrong at 40 and 50, why not now? And although GMAYL wasnt a major hit it still gave her another top ten hit.

    You know what? No one is ruling out that possibility. No one is "writing her off" here. But you need to be realistic as well. She is getting very little backing from any mainstream radio or media source. Also, she hasn't a proper record company anymore to back her up like she had with Warners. Those are two big key components in gaining a top 40 hit or higher. The reality is that the likely of her getting a huge hit at this period in her career, is very slim. Of course, I'm not saying it's impossible, but you do realize that GMAYL was simply a payola effort. That song wouldn't have gotten top ten status if there wasn't a deal for the song to be played that first weekend on major radio stations. Unfortunately, once the deal was up, the radio stations dropped the song.

    Madonna is most definitely one artist who is known to beat the odds, but unless something changes within the music business where youth dominates, she is unlikely to score another huge hit. But don't let me squash that bubble of yours, you are in. Believe me, I'd love to eat my words and see her score another big hit.

  11. ^ Surprised she wasn't wearing gloves and/or sleeves! When's the last time she made a big public appearance showing those parts of her body?

    Maybe because she's proven it's possible to show up and do something out of the blue and just for fun AND be good/funny/purposeful?

    Good Fuckin' Lord!! It's SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE. The show just mocks people, life and current events. Do you really expect her to show up to make some huge purposeful statement? Who does that?

    Some of you are taking this appearance far too serious. :electropop:

  12. I quite enjoyed it. Not sure what all the hate is about? SNL has been pretty ridiculous for years now. I had noticed that Madonna while over thinking her lines, she seemed to not be reading from the teleprompters that so many do on that show anymore. I noticed the guy playing the congressman, looked like he was reading his lines.

    She looked great. I suspect she'll probably do Jimmy's show down the line.

  13. Like I said he's on his big PR campaign to show he's not a bitch anymore. Maybe he's telling the truth but in the past he has said things that aren't true or denied he did things he did. Madonna to me is a credible straight shooting person. George in my experience isn't. Maybe he's telling the truth, but I can't help be skeptical given his history.

    But again, he hasn't denied saying negative things about Madonna in the past. And so what if he's trying to turn over a new leaf. I can't speak for all of the world, but in the U.S., no one has no idea Boy George is still out there plugging away. So a statement like this simply reaches the fan bases or those who are music/entertainment enthusiasts who enjoy gossipy media sources.

  14. I believe him. Why not? I mean; I am not a fan of him. I know he has said some crappy things about Madonna in the past. But when have we known him to back pedal his comments? He never denied the other negative things he said of her. He pretty much says what is on his mind. And I've always felt that George has been greatly envious of Madonna. I feel Madonna gave him the brush off and he didn't take it well.

    And yes, even reputable sources are known to twist words or embellish things. Madonna has mentioned it happening to her many times. I still recall her commenting on the Vanity Fair spread on her in the early 90's in how they made stuff up that didn't happen. It was minimal to her, so she didn't care, but the fact is even reputable sources are known to twist people's words. Look at the whole "REDUCTIVE" fiasco. The media twisted it as if Madonna actually was saying Lady Gaga was "Reductive" when it was song she was commenting on.

  15. Coz Orbit said it. She was interested but she lost interest near the end of the project (the album).

    I don't recall him saying that. I know he commented how frustrated he was because he felt she had so many other things going on occupying her time. It limited the time they spent together in the studio which I'm sure he is comparing to the time they spent together on RAY OF LIGHT. But let's remember MDNA didn't include Orbit as much as he was on RAY OF LIGHT, so of course she had to divide up her time. It didn't mean she didn't put in the work and effort in making a great album. For anyone to say this album was rushed, is just plain ridiculous. She spent far less time on earlier albums than MDNA. An artists doesn't have to spend 6 months to a year in the studio producing a great record. In fact, some of the greatest records were created in far less time, some in a weeks time.

  16. LOL to some fans saying Madonna hasn't put 100% into MDNA. :lmao: My oh my! Of course, it's different times, but I remember in the 80's when she was all over radio, she did very little album promotion. The songs and videos simply did the work for her. And whenever we did see her do something, it was huge... such as an awards show. Interviews were quite slim as well. So I guess she didn't put 100% in back then either. LOL!

    Madonna has always did what profited the most in her career. It's a fact some fans need to drum into their head. That said, it didn't mean she didn't care about the music or didn't put 100% in. I would think putting hundreds of hours into rehearsing for a tour, is far much more effort than any promotion like doing an interview, making a video, etc.

    I get it. Some fans (including myself), would love to see her do more interviews, promotional concerts either on TV or in clubs and so on. But let's be realistic here. She isn't 25 or 35 anymore. The woman has a long established catalog. Unfortunately, her age plays a huge role in how the general public accepts her new work. Very few mainstream radio or media outlets are gonna play or feature her. Why spend so much money and time on something that will produce very little for Madonna when touring will.

    Some of you are going to be greatly disappointed from this point on. Even if Madonna does more magazines, TV and promo tours, you still won't be happy unless it was 1985 again and she was getting the same attention and having the same sales and chart success. Can we say, "UNREALISTIC!!!"

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    There are far too many great Madonna moments to list them all. I will say though that one of the most amazing moments is seeing the first major transformation of Madonna's image. Her video to Live to tell was just so out of the blue with the classic look of a beautiful vintage Hollywood star and the song itself was unlike any ballad I had ever heard. Such an incredibly brave thing to do because her whole "Like a virgin" era look was copied everywhere around the world by girls and was so popular. Madonna has proven that her music, looks and image have always changed and evolved. Part of what makes her such a fascinating, fearless and admired artist.

    This! It's when I finally went loonville. HA!

    And of course, this is one of her finest hours too...


  18. i think that was just a random person walking on the street. Rocco comes off a bit stupid sometimes, i mean when i was 13 yo i was not going around my city asking foreigners if they like it here in a mockery of their accent.


    Never mind the fact, your over analyzing a 13 year old boy you don't even know other than his association with his famous mother, but really calling him "stupid" and an "asshole"? To me that sounds like a "stupid" and "asshole" thing to say about someone you barely know, except through a few instagram posts.

    That all said, Rocco comes off like a typical down to earth teenage boy. In fact, his interests in humanity is quite commending, especially knowing most teenagers his age are "all about themselves". Obviously, he's strongly influenced by his mother's humanity efforts. But surely, I don't expect a 13 year old to not post some silly and ridiculous things on his/her instagram. At least, he's not out on the streets causing trouble and bullying others. Seems like he's grateful for what he has, and lives a typical teenage life the best he can, considering he is the son of the biggest iconic pop stars in history.

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