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  1. If you can be sure of one thing about me, you can be sure that I won't ever be into Madonna for the sake of being into her. I'm not a brainwashed idiot who loves everything she does. She isn't perfect and I don't need or want her to be. I'm not devoted to her the way a lot of her fans are. I'm not directing this at anyone particular.

    I never said she didn't put any effort into her most recent albums. What I said was that she put as little effort into them as she could get away with. The evidence is there for everyone to find if they want to see it. Glinda said something about no producer being unknown anymore. That's true. A lot of them are on Twitter, for example. Go ask that guy who wrote Girl Gone Vile how much of that song is written by him and what did Madonna do. Same with Masterpiece. Madonna got songwriting credits but it was quite obvious it was mostly if not completely written by the people she shared her GG with. Yes, you can point to individual songs that M had more input in but even they aren't really anything to write home about. And btw, isn't quite sad that you compare these recent albums and their creative process to Like a Virgin (the album)? Shouldn't we expect more from her now than what she did in the beginning of her career? Especially when she became a completely different artist than what she was in 1984.

    Yes, I do think Ray of Light, Like a Prayer and Erotica are her best albums. You refer to that like it's something to be ashamed of. Anyway, I think it's quite clear that she put way more effort into those albums than she's put into her most recent works. She's got a family now. She's got kids. I respect she hasn't got as much time as she used to. But on the other hand, it's her job. If she does it badly or not as well as she can (and we all know she can do better than what she's done in recent years), I won't hesitate to say it.

    And big yes to what vocalism and Nonoka have said.

    Note BOLD, I stopped right there because I am not sure why that was even brought up. I never and I don't think anyone in this thread was talking about loving everything she did. In fact, I have said in this very thread how I am not a big fan of Erotica, but recognize her song writing talent on that album.

    And I never said anyone should be ashamed for liking any album. Seems you're reading more into than what I said. But isn't that a bit hypocritical of you to even bring up since the part I bolded, you went on this rant about not loving everything she does and insinuating some of us are "brainwashed idiots" for being devoted fans?? Who is doing the "shaming" again??

    The fact is you don't know anymore than the rest of us how much more effort and time she put into the last two albums compared to past albums. Just because you dislike an album of hers, doesn't mean she spent less time and effort on it.

  2. I think this time around there will actually be more time between the album release and the start of the tour. There is no Superbowl stress and no movie promotion in sight. And even if she has another cinematic project at heart, doubt she'll want to dedicate to it as much time as she did for W.E.

    I also don't think that if she starts working on the album shortly, it will be out in March 2015 and then go on a tour in the summer. It usually takes 8-9 months between record conception/realisation and actual release. If she really is about to start working on a record as rumoured, the album will be out in the fall at the latest

    I think she'll do more promotion than MDNA but people shouldn't expect her to whore it on every TV show imaginable. Madonna's career is so much bigger than that now

    I never understood why it has to take that long. I do understand it's usually that way with a big artist like Madonna, but albums do not have to take that long to release, especially in this day and age, when many artists are releasing their music independently.

    I suspect if she enters the studio anytime soon, she's already been listening to music demos and has who she wants to work with lined up. It's just a matter of getting everyone in the studio that wants to work with. Fall release seems likely at this point if she gets into the studio within the next month or two.

  3. uou! Another gym! So exciting :).

    It's not necessarily a thrilling venture for me, but I have no issue with her opening more gyms. Not sure why so many people are surprised as she's getting older, she's lending her name/persona to products and opening up gyms. She's always been an entrepreneur. It's obvious she knows she needs to keep the money moving and keep investing. She's a smart business woman. I can see her investing in more films as well (as producer). If I was in her shoes, I would keep finding more investments that I am interested in. Her being so fit and an exerciseholic, it makes total sense to open gyms and lend her name out to exercise routines. Why not? There are plenty of people would love to do her routines to stay in shape.

  4. What about her condoms? :lol:


    I don't believe this is really officially something she endorsed, but since they used her name and image, she must be getting paid for it.

    As for the original question, I think it's fine she uses names of her songs/movies/album titles for her brand products. It's easier associated since everyone knows many of these names such as "Material Girl" which is probable the tag name most associated to Madonna the most. I'm a bit surprised she actually used that name because she was quite apprehensive about the song as her career went on, and hated performing it.

    Truth or Dare was a perfect name for her perfume. I'm surprised it wasn't taken before her.

  5. Oh come on now. I'm addicted is evidence that madonna didn't just have shit handed too her. She at least had time to write the lyrics to more than a few songs on the album so I hardly would call that not being involved! She wrote:

    I'm addicted

    I fucked up

    Give me all your luvin

    I don't give a

    I'm a sinner

    Lets not forget she had a huge impact I'm changing the format of songs like

    Some girls

    Gang bang


    That's what I'm saying. It astounds me that some people actually think she put little effort in MDNA and HARD CANDY when as you pointed out, she has a lot input in those songs you mentioned.

    Madonna has never been an artist that just puts out one kinda sound. And just because she teams up with even a Sound of the moment, doesn't mean she's relinquished all her inputs to these people. Certainly, she's in control.

    I'm not a huge fan of the Erotica album, but I also know she wrote a lot on that album. It's the sound that I am not fond of, but yet there are a number of songs I do love on that album, but. Just because it didn't become a huge record like her past albums, makes me think she didn't put much effort in it. For some reason, I'm getting the impression once some fans think the album didn't perform well, it must mean she quickly slapped the album together with no effort, when in truth, MDNA and HARD CANDY were created within the same time frame of a number of her most popular albums.

  6. And if YOU weren't there, then how do you know this? It's naive to think her process hasn't changed, what with four children and an entire empire to manage. Of course she's outsourcing more and more. We've seen the Erotica diaries. We know she wrote the vast majority, if not 100%, of those songs in the studio with Shep and Andre. Yes, "Ray Of Light" was largely taken from an existing song, but we've seen the footage from the ROL sessions. We know how much of herself she put into that album. We also know that she split her studio time up between doing plays and movies during AL. We know that she was busy editing her film for months during the recording of MDNA. We've heard the demos for GGW, etc. Yes, yes, some fans claims (with zero evidence) that those were made after she wrote/arranged them, but that honestly doesn't make sense to me. Madonna can throw down a scratch vocal in 10 minutes if the producer needed her to. I don't think anyone would be saying she shouldn't outsource if the stuff she was outsourcing was actually as good as the stuff we know she's written on her own.

    Oh c'mon now? And you were there to know that she didn't? I am not the one who is claiming she doesn't put any effort in her albums. I'm also not claiming I was there to know how much effort she does put in her album. I just find it absurd for any Madonna fan to really think, knowing her 30 year history in conceiving albums, that she actually goes in to make an album with very little effort. Hard Candy is heavily criticized by some fans as an album she didn't put much effort in. Yet, Justin Timberlake vouched for what other producers have said of Madonna that she came in with journals of written stuff and had a lot of input in her songs.

    And the fact she's splitting her time between recording an album and other things, do you really think that's new? In fact, if I recall correctly, Madonna had already started working on the LIKE A PRAYER album when she was on Broadway doing 'Speed The Plow'. What about when she filmed "Desperately Seeking Susan"? She was filming that movie while working on LIKE A VIRGIN. What about the EROTICA album? She put together a sex book and was filming "Body Of Evidence" all at the same time?

    My point is, Madonna has always multi-tasked. She's never just locked her self in a studio to only concentrate on recording an album. She's always been doing other projects near and around making music during her whole career. She's always had songs just handed to her where very little lyrics changes were made. "Papa Don't Preach"??? But it doesn't change the fact that she has put a lot more input in other songs whether handed to her or not.

  7. just dont let her write any lyrics..

    Bday Song




    You're right.... she's just a horrible song writer....

    Lucky Star



    Into The Groove

    Live To Tell


    Like A Prayer (and most of the album of the same name)

    Express Yourself

    Music (and most of the album of the same name)

    Take A Bow

    Most of the Ray of Light Album

    Wow, just a horrible song writer. How the hell did she even become the music icon she is?? :huh:

  8. I'm not sure if you're even trying to understand other people and other point-of-views or are you just twisting other people's words into something you can then oppose and reject.

    No one is saying she needs to be all serious all the time. But you can be fun and silly in a way more clever, mature (yes, breaking news: even mature people can be fun, can you imagine?) and creative way than she has been.

    Besides, I'm not sure how much she's been herself in HC and MDNA. She put as little effort into them as she could get away with. She accepted songs for them that were rejected by other pop stars (I don't even call them artists). That's what I mean. See, I haven't really been talking about music genre. I don't care if it's dance although unlike a lot of others I don't need her album to be danceable stuff. I'm fine with everything as long as it's clever, mature and creative. And, dare I even say it, preferably a little bit artistic. Or should I fear that word is going to get twisted into something bad and horrible?

    Anyway, I don't care about anything else as long as she puts herself into it. That's not happened with her last two studio albums. They feel a lot different than COADF (which is an album I don't like either) that is clearly all hers. That's what I'm interested in. Either commit to creating an album or don't do it at all. I don't want other people to do and write what they think Madonna is/feels/thinks. That doesn't feel real nor authentic. And for the artist that Madonna claims to be... It shouldn't be acceptable.

    See, I don't get when people say she hasn't put much effort in certain albums? I think that's just an absurd statement to make for those who aren't really into Madonna much anymore. It's like you seem to think you were there when she was making these albums and just laid around the studio letting people hand her songs, without any input. That's just bull! Just look at the song "Gang Bang". We all heard the earlier version. And then there's the album version.

    Madonna's input on all her albums have pretty much been the same from the beginning of her career. She has someone who comes up with the music while she usually writes lyrics. From there she works with the writer and/or producer and refines the sound of the song until it works for her. Several of the songs from Like a Virgin were songs handed to her. For instance "Like A Virgin", the song that catapulted her to a phenomenon. She didn't write that or even come up with that song. But she embraced it and molded it to fit her. "Papa Don't Preach" was handed to her, but do you think she put no effort in that song either? What about "La Isla Bonita"? Oh wait, are you a "Ray of lighter"?? What about "Ray of Light"?

    I just want to know how you seem to be so sure Madonna didn't put much effort in her last two albums simply based on the fact, you didn't like the direction of it personally? Because that's what I think it comes down to certain people who keep saying "Madonna put no effort in the album" or "she phoned it in". That's just ridiculous, and any fan from the early days will tell you, Madonna isn't the type of artist who lets her producers to take complete control. How do you not know Madonna didn't go into the studio with the mind set that she wanted Hard Candy to have the Timbaland/Timberlake style? I mean why else would she work with them? I will agree that she probably was two years too late to go that route, but obviously that was her choice. But then we have a song like "Beat Goes On" and again we all heard the demo of that, and then the album version There was a huge difference between the demo and final product. Yet, you still think she put LITTLE effort in it? C'mon please? Of course, she accepts songs from other artists/producers/writers, but that isn't anything new. She's been doing that all her career.

  9. Okay, I tried to do this several times, but had a hard time. Of course, her known hits stand out and there are more than 10, but I love many of her non singles as well. And my favorites always change, so here goes...

    1. Live To Tell

    2. Devil Wouldn't Recognize You

    3. The Power of Goodbye

    4. Like A Prayer

    5. Vogue

    6. Burning Up

    7. Falling Free

    8. Take A Bow

    9. Love Spent

    10. Stay

  10. Well, we can argue back and forth if she's "being herself" or not and she needs to do more songs like this and that, but I became a fan early on in her career. It was light and fun songs with not much profound lyrics that hooked me to Madonna... "Lucky Star", "Holiday", "Everybody", "Burning Up" and "Into The Groove" anyone. Most of her songs loved by the general public are those earlier songs. But of course, she has had many great songs enjoyed by the public that had much more to it than just fun frivolous lyrics such as "Live To Tell", "Papa Don't Preach", and "Like A Prayer". All in all, she's always given us a mix balance of that for each album. And I agree, Madonna has always been herself. Yes, she's matured a lot with her music, but she hasn't lost that fun side of her that I remember falling in love with in the 80's. Do I want her to repeat that? No. I want her to do what she wants to do whether it's fun or serious. The fact is, the general public has issue with 55 year old women still having fun like Madonna does. But to say she's not acting her age, is just ridiculous since her draw to social causes have been more and more prevalent. When she started out, it was usually all about her, but you can tell that she's matured and her kids and her causes are just as important to her, if not more.

    It seems to me that Madonna isn't the problem here. It's societies views of how a 55 year old woman should be acting. Who makes these rules??

  11. i'm saying that she makes her best music on tour. the album's are just sketches for the live shows, which are so much better musically than the album versions.

    See, I don't necessarily agree with that. In fact, you have to go back to when albums started becoming the norm and popular. Albums were always conceived based on the fact to get the music distributed to more people who couldn't necessarily go to a concert/show by the artists. It eventually gave the artists more room to be creative. However, most artists start off writing songs to perform in front of people. Before albums were bankable, it was always about the artist going to gigs and performing their songs. It would be insane to think a band or an artist could just release an album and think they could just make their money from that. Though, that became more and more possible with higher profile artists when Rock and Roll emerged. Madonna did it in the 80's and somewhat the 90's where she didn't have to tour with every new album. But now we're back to albums not being bankable anymore. So artists now have to rethink how they can get their music out to people. The internet is pretty accessible to the mainstream public. Unfortunately, it doesn't make the artist money if people can stream or easily download songs for free. So now artists who used to be able to make money from their albums, must go out and tour more.

    I honestly don't think when Madonna's creating her albums, she's thinking necessarily of how it's going to work on tour. I think it's about the art/vision/message she wants to share. I think most artists are like that. But once the albums is created, an artist must think, "okay, how am I going to get people to hear this?". And of course, any successful artist will look for a way to make the biggest bang for their buck. Right now, Madonna is fortunately a bankable touring artist. She'll probably always be as long as she wants to keep touring. If she wanted to, she could easily tour on her her catalog of hits from the past without any new material. At this time, she doesn't give me the impression she's willing to do that. She still comes off as if she's inspired to create new work. So it's quite ridiculous to me, to hear from fans that Madonna lacks inspiration or doesn't put any effort in her albums. The fact is; she is a 30 year veteran to the music world, and could easily just stop making new music and rely on her old stuff. To me, that would be lack of inspiration or effort. Yet, she still creates new albums, and not only that she puts on these meticulous tours. She doesn't just stand behind a microphone and sing She's actually moving. Not only that, she realizes VIDEOS take money, so why not pour that vision into her tour? It all makes sense to me. Yes, you would be lying to yourself if you didn't think Madonna wasn't thinking how she could make the biggest buck from her art, but I don't believe for a second she creates her art with very little effort to simply sell concert tickets.

  12. But Madonna has worked with the same people on different projects, it's just the way she utilises them, to recreate something fresh. That's something Madonna is superb at.

    I actually agree. And I really don't have a problem with her working people in the past. I guess what humors me is the many fans who insist she work with this person or that person, hoping to create some new and fresh sound, yet beg for her to work with people she's worked with before in the same breath. Whether it's someone new or old, it never guarantees she's going to produce something to everyone's liking. And the proof is... almost every album she's produce (especially more of late) there is always a mix reaction from fans.

    I keep going back to "Celebration" and remember the uproar from many fans who didn't like the song because it sounded dated. The same goes for "Girl Gone Wild" and "Turn Up The Radio" and these songs involved newer people. Yet, two of the most loved songs on MDNA ("Falling Free" and "Love Spent") did include older collabs. But then again, we have another much fan favorite "I'm Addicted" which was co-written with same people who wrote/produced "Girl Gone Wild".

  13. Madonna is not smoking from a bong getting high. Has Madonna ever done drugs? Sure. That's not a mystery. But even her closest friends like Debi pretty much said flat out that by and large Madonna never touched the stuff. Why would she suddenly turn into a middle aged baked woman now? :lmao:

    Let alone with her children like someone insinuated.

    If you honestly think Madonna is getting high with her kids you obviously haven't paid very close attention to her. This is a woman that was upset by her daughter smoking a cig for crying out loud.

    Unless Madonna has turned to it to help with her rheumatoid arthritis. :madgemanson:

    By and large, I agree with essentially what you're saying here, but did she really get that upset about her daughter smoking? Yes, when asked about it, she acted like she didn't approve, but at the same time, she was very clear she knew her daughter is a teen who will be exposed to these things and will be curious.

    We all can sit here and speculate... and I'm sure I'm adding to it, but I do feel that Madonna pretty much exposes her kids at an early age to the things much of us discover on our own or told not to do/touch/say. I feel she doesn't really shield her kids from the realities going on in life and around her life. Not to say, she doesn't teach her kids drugs and alcohol are bad, but I don't think she's going to go ape shit when they try it either. What better way for them to experience it all than see the people around them using it.

    I do think she sets a good example in living a healthy lifestyle with a diet regimen and daily exercise, and staying fit. In the end, I think she knows her kids will make choices that she won't approve of, even if she's done the same in her younger days. Though, she lives by setting example, and I see so far Rocco and Lourdes seem to be doing just fine.

  14. Think of all the dumb shit Fafa tried to do to get headlines. Performed half naked at the VMA's. Nothing. Looked like a drugged out loon standing on top of the Berlin Wall raising her hands to the sky. Nothing. Arriving to an award show on a fake horse. Nothing. Does a duet with Christina on The Voice. *crickets*

    Madonna. Simply posts a pick of a cock bong. HEADLINES! :lol:

    Can we really say one article from DAILY MAIL (which most everyone usually criticizes) is "Headlines"? Who else is really talking about this but hardcore fans on fan forums and social media? Not defending Gaga, but in all fairness she has created more headlines with her crazy behavior even if it's not gone the way she hoped.

  15. Madonna needs Dave Hall again! Human nature part 2 would be my dream

    Not intended specifically at you, but I don't understand the idea of fans wanting her to work with people she's worked with in the past? I remember distinctly when the song 'Celebration' came out, many fans were ripping it to shreds because it sounded too much like something she did already. So why would one want her to go back to someone she's worked with before, chancing she's going to just reproduce a sound she's already done? I know many people were excited when they heard William Orbit came back on board for MDNA, but it certainly didn't recreate the same vibe RAY OF LIGHT had.

    I guess what confuses me is the contradiction within a lot of fans. Many say they want her to work with someone new and/or fresh and when she does, they criticize it for sounding dated... (Girl Gone Wild & Celebration anyone?). And then fans say they want her to work with these people she worked with before such as Pat Leonard, thinking they are gonna be able to come up with something different? I'm not saying it's not entirely possible. It's just if one doesn't want her to chance of creating or recreating something that is dated, why would they want them to go back to that same person who helped her produce or create that sound?

    For me, I honestly don't care who she gets. I can say that I've enjoyed more of her work than not. She hasn't disappointed me. I don't think working with someone in the past or someone new, makes a big difference. In the end, she can create a fantastic album, ahead of it's time, but it doesn't necessarily mean it will guarantee a hit. And I know that if an album and the singles don't get mainstream success, there will be many fans jumping on that wagon of how it's accepted by the public. Face it, more than likely any future Madonna album whether it's great in our eyes or not, will never surpass or equal the same success some of her most successful albums. And for me, a great album isn't measured by how many top 40 hits it generates or if it gets radio airplay. I leave that to the youngsters who think radio plays great music, when in most cases, the music industry/radio dictates what are hits which is again geared toward the youth.

  16. Yeah but does this mean she was smoking from it? Maybe she was throwing it out (hence the OUT WITH THE OLD IN WITH THE NEW caption)? Maybe Brahim gave it to her and she just disposing of all his shit.

    There really is much we do not know.

    Exactly. I'm sure many of us here have been given gag gifts we don't necessarily use or have any use for. Being in the business she's in, she certainly has friends who are in all kinds of shit. Does that mean she does it or approves what they do? No.

    She obviously was being humorous and naughty. Probably hoping to make a few people squirm or bitch and moan she posted it. LOL!

  17. I don't see it, she likes very handsome men. I'm not criticizing his looks but he's not handsome, cute definately.

    Apart from the speculation from one picture.... Madonna seems to be attracted to unconventional looking men. I mean that in a good way. If you look back at many of the men she dated and even married, they weren't necessarily the greatest looking men. Yes, many of them had their own distinguishing good looks, but I thought men like Sean, Brahim, and Carlos Leon weren't necessarily these great looking men, even though they had features I can see that was attractive. Of course, it's all subjective. I recall a lot of people back in the day thought Sean Penn was an awkward pairing for the two.

    Anyway, it's just a picture. Doesn't mean she's dating the guy. If she is, good for her. It's none of our business anyway.

  18. and....

    She does look a little bit like Madonna. Kind of like how that Dancing With The Stars person looks abit like Kylie!

    I think she looks like Madonna a lot. And those black and white pics too. Love the look in the one that Neutrocks posted!!!!

    She clearly looks like Madonna a lot and that's a fact. And so does the girl in those b/w pix, especially in the last one.

  19. I swear some people are just oversensitive and can't accept that others have their own opinions! She doesn't look like Madonna at all.

    Please point out where I said you weren't entitled to your opinion? You barged in here insulting people for no good reason. Yet, I'm the one being "oversensitive"? :electropop:

    I posted this because I felt it would be a cool thing to share with fans. But as usual, you and some others have to come into every thread and turn it upside down and start shit with people. :manson:

  20. great, thanks! :) I love topics like this. I believe there was a female singer in the late 90s or early 90s (I think her name was Charlene or something) and she also resembles madonna a bit (specifically with the brunette hair from the like a prayer video).

    and of course no one is gonna look exactly like M. she isn't a twin. but it's cool to see some women (and men) with similar features. no need to call people retarded.

    Thank you! I swear some just want to take the piss out of every post made and insult people.

    She does look a lot like Madonna, and that's why I posted it. I knew others would appreciate it as yourself. Thanks. ;)

  21. she looks a lot like her!

    there's this guy on instagram (i think he's a famous photographer, ricardo or something? i think chelle said he's friends with beyonce) and he recently posted pics of a woman looking so much like madonna. im certain she has to be related.




    edit: sorry if this is a bit off topic, don't wanna take away attention to the original post but didn't know where else to put it and thought this was quite fitting :) hope u don't mind.

    No, it's fine. In fact, I had thought to ask people to post about people they knew that looked similar to Madonna, not so much celebrities or drag queen.

    not cool posting my facebook pics

    You lie! Thanks for the laugh though. :laugh:

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