mr_boogiewoogie
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It's not a fountain of wisdom. It's an opinion. One that I think many people have a right to hold. You're the one who said I was crazy and immature. But let's face it she has let her fans Australian fans down majorly, and there's no getting around that. Postponing the dates would've been 1 thing, but to completely take them off the table is just a low blow.
I never called YOU crazy and immature.
I wrote "please let's not take this to new levels of crazyness and immaturity". It was a general invitation based on some of the comments, some of which, according to my opinion - and that of others - have been taking it a bit too far resorting to personal offences when none of us know the exact reason why plans ended up being changed.
We all understand how disappointed the Australian fans are feeling and, as previously said, I feel sorry for them.
However, I don't think that personal attacks against Madonnna or saying that she has no excuse are the way to deal with this.
We don't know the reason and being that everybody in the tour knew that it would be the MDNA 2012-2013 tour, something must have surely changed during the next few days.
This is how I see it and I don't expect everybody else to see it the same way.
When you say that she has no excuse, I believe I have a right to ask: says who?
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You would forgive her even if she made Guy Oseary shit in your mouth.
Resorting to offence.
Very good indeed.
You can't take it when someone doesn't drink from your Forum-God fountain of wisdom, now can you?
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This is an exaggerated example and not realistic. But of course, if they obtain benefits selling those 1000 tickets, they can hire whatever they want.
These boxscore numbers are the expected attendance, that's all. They are not equal to the maximum capacity, they represent the expected benefits. These are their rules. You can like them or not, but they are what they are. Debating them is as useless as debating whether the gold certificate should be 400.000 copies instead of 500.000. It's only a reference.
And let's not forget that the contrary might happen. It is not the first time that the attendance reported by the media is superior to the numbers included in the boxscores.
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LN.
You obviously have a prejudice that makes it difficult for you to accept how things work in the touring business.
It's fine by me if you believe that the numbers are fake just to please investors. No problem about that.
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Thanks bud, I don't think it's a personal attack on Australia by M, just bad planning, bad business decisions, wrong priorities and a total lack of focus on a fan base that has been loyal and patient for so long. I believe the plan was to come to Australia, they just fucked it up, I believe for the first time, they actually tried to bring the tour here though
I agree.
They should have opened the tour in Australia and Asia. It would have made things smoother and easier. That way, even if she had ended up cancelling the South American tour, it would have not been a big deal.
Hopefully, things will work this way next time IF there is still demand for her in Australia by the time she's ready to tour again.
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But read my post above, the Brussels number is fake as hell. It's not even a technical sellout.
How do you know that Live Nation declared 42,000 as the sold out figure?
Who told you that?
Also, what do you mean by technical sold out?
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I get some of your points and I need to remember you are speaking from the point of view of someone who gets to see all her tours.
My personal experience is that I did not believe the press release from Live Nation as dates and venues etc were not released, Guy wouldn't reply to any tweets regarding Australia and so I assumed the plans for the Australian leg wouldn't go ahead. My plan was to fly to Brazil in Decemeber and maybe other parts of South America. Carta shared his conversation with Guy Oseary in Berlin a few weeks ago while I was negotiating my start date for a new role as a Senior IT Manager for a major mining and construction organisation. Part of the agreement was no holiday leave for the rest of the year due to projects happening. I agreed and started the role last week believing the Australian tour would happen. Now I cannot attend any show of the tour.
It's not a case of a two hour ride on a train to the next city. I literally cannot fly to a show and back in a weekend. Madonna, Guy and Live Nation really fucked over the Aussie fans this time
Matt, like I said, I am really sorry that things didn't work out and I do understand your position. Believe me.
What I don't like is the fact that some people have that "trade/exchange" approach when it comes to all artists, not just Madonna.
Madonna, just like every other artist, has no obligations. She does what she wants/can do.
I saw - with my own eyes - that all security and staff had passes with MDNA 2012-2013 written on them. This must surely mean that the intention to continue in 2013 was definitely there. Something must have obviously changed. We don't know what but I do trust that it was a valid reason. A valid reason to me would also be that she suddenly realized that, with more than 5 months of touring still ahead of her, she could not bring herself to do more dates.
Most likely, in order for the Australian tour to be profitable, they would have had to add more dates in Asia, too.
Whatever the reason was, it is clear that the intention was there and I believe that this is a sign that they did try to bring her back to Australia.
I wouldn't take it as a personal attack because I don't think it is.
Having said that, I am sorry for you guys.
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Ah, yes there was - all the initial press releases about the MDNA Tour referred to it ending in Australia and being her first shows in Australia in 20 years. They even included quotes from both Guy and Arthur Fogel confirming it. The Australian leg was one of the main points in the official MDNA press releases and THAT is a fact. You are obviously ignorant about the situation, so stop embarrassing yourself. Goodbye.
Then why were people expecting an official announcement before or after the Olympic games?
They did mention something about the Australian leg but there was NEVER an official announcement.
Before closing, just two things:
1) I didn't call YOU immature. I only said that some of the comments were immature.
2) I am sorry that things didn't work out for her true fans in Australia...."true" being the operative word.
As for the rest, you said it all. I hope you feel better now.
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"Madonna cancels plans to tour Australia" is definitely more appropriate than "Madonna cancels Australian tour". There was never an official press release or announcement and this is a fact.
International media outlets have been bashing her and criticizing her for quite some time now. I highly doubt this is going to make things any different or worse than they already are.
They may say what they want.
She continues to do her thing and it appears that she is still quite successful at it....after 30 years.
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You are not understanding the point. It's not just that she won't come here - it's that she lies and keeps saying she will. This time I really believed it otherwise I would have saved up to go to Europe or South America. Well, it's too late now, I can't afford it at short notice. I was so stupid to believe her this time. At least she could be honest and say "no I am not coming" or even say nothing at all instead of announcing that she is coming here and then cancelling. THAT is the point. if you think broken promises and lies are "mature" and calling her out on that is "immature" then fine, good for you - but I don't.
Basically what you are saying is that your maturity is influenced by other people's maturity.
In reality, you are either mature or you are not.
If someone is being immature, that does not mean that you have to be too.
You take responsbility of your maturity and she/they will have to be responsible for hers/theirs.
I am sorry to have to say that but some of the comments here are quite immature and irrational.
Things didn't work out for some reason. What is evident is that the intention to continue in 2013 is proved by the fact that ALL tour passes had the writing "MDNA 2012-2013" on them.
Threaths are not going to be of any use.
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Explain please.
Before tickets are put on sale, the tour organizer MUST declare the minimum number of tickets that have to be sold in order for the date to be sold out.
It is quite obvious that, after S&S 2009 and after the lower sales for the MDNA album, Live Nation people realized that numbers would be lower this time around and this led them to lower their expectations as far as tickets, thus declaring lower numbers for each European date. As long as the declared figure is met, the date is officially sold out. In some cases they have sold more tickets than the declared figures, but this doesn't change the fact that the date will be considered sold out with the number of tickets declared before tickets went on sale.
This is valid for all touring artists, not just Madonna. As absurd as it may appear, it's the way things work.
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These lists r such bs with their 1/1 & shit...Brussels was confirmed as NOT sold out by the local LN branch
It should read 37.000/42.00, & that is still generous.
Do we need to explain ONCE AGAIN what 1/1 means and what SOLD OUT means when it comes to boxscores?
Madonna does NOT get any special treatment.
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What amazes me is this "trade" approach.
Music is not about trading. It is not about giving something in order to get something else in return.
She puts out a record. You like it, you buy it. You don't like it, you don't buy it. It's very simple. Very natural.
Again I'm sorry that things didn't work out for the Australian fans but some of the comments here are quite irrational and immature.
Madonna has no obligations towards her fans. Not in Australia but certainly not even in Europe or elsewhere.
A grand scale tour - like the ones she puts on - is a lot more complex than people think. There may be issues that people are not aware of and the fact that they are not being openly expressed or declared does not mean that they are not valid.
Things didn't work out - once again, yes - and I am sure that she will survive and continue to make music and tour even if Australia turns the back on her. So, threaths are definitely not going to work especially with someone like her.
There are still tickets available for some of the US dates and there definitely are for the South American dates. For those who can afford it, there is plenty of time to organize a trip to America to see her.
Let's look for solutions instead of focusing on problems.
On the other hand there will be a concert next week and it's going to be broadcast all over the world for everybody to see.
She is not immortal, you know. Let's be grateful.
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After all is said and done, the tour will have grossed more than $ 300,000,000 in less than 90 dates.
If she ever decides to add more dates next summer, which I highly doubt, it will surpass S&S.
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Australia is a big country and it's visited by every single major artist. She has no excuse for this crap. Honestly. The entire country has missed out on every single tour for the last ELEVEN YEARS.
No excuse? According to who? You?
Truth is she has no obligations whatsoever.
She'll go there whenever she decides to..... IF she wants to go back there at all.
We're all sorry for the fact that things didn't work out for the Australian fans, but please let's not take this to new levels of crazyness and immaturity.
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1,200,000 views over two days for a third single video.
Not too bad, ain't it?
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Whine whine whine, whinge whinge whinge, moan moan moan.
Just shut the fuck up and enjoy the fact that she's doing better than anyone else at the moment.
P.S. Wait....there's a 4 dollar difference in average ticket price between S&S and MDNA. What a flop!!!!!
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Isn't is funny that we always say she should go there and there yet we really have no idea it is to be on the road that long and performing around 80 shows during 8 months or so. Honestly most of us would die probably. Maybe she really cancelled Australia because she knows she will be too tired to get through of this. She knows her limits. Of course in her ambition to never show anyone that she is a human being too and just as weak and vulnerable as the average Joe she would never make an official statement saying this very truth.
Finally someone is saying it!
Again I am really sorry for the Australian fans but I was very surprised when I heard that she would be on tour for 8 straight months doing more than 80 shows without any substantial stop. She never did anything like that, not even when she was younger. Plus, this is a very physically demanding show.
The mistake was to let people believe that she would do it and in regard to this I do believe that the intention was there. Maybe what happened is that with more than 5 months still ahead of her she realized that it would be just too much to travel to Australia after Argentina. Plus, going just to Australia would not be profitable enough and they would have had to add more dates in Asia thus further extending the tour.
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The whole article is full of personal intepretations sold as pretty much a universal truth.
Many of those who call themselves hardcore fans don't get Madonna. They never did. They probably never will.
She is not prone to taking trips down memory lanes and she surely has made this quite clear over the past 30 years.
The other huge misunderstanding about her is about the fact that hers are not rock concerts. Instead they are theatrical presentations of her music. You may disagree with the way that she chooses to present her music in a theatrical way but surely her performances can be appreciated in their own rights without any specific need to know the words to every song. Is it really that hard to understand and realize and accept?
She is not one to change the set-list each night. She is not one to build a show around the fact that her spectators expect - or even demand - a trip down memory lane from her.
She is an artist. She gets easily bored like true artists often do. This is probably one of the main reasons why she may have chosen to cancel the Australian leg, but that's a whole other subject altogether.
She likes to try out new things. Sometimes she likes to revisit her past from totally different angles or changing things up to the extent that they are almost difficult to recognize.
That's the way she is.
The only thing you can do it either love her and embrace her or not.
People may stop buying her music tomorrow, but she will still be an artist and she will still be Madonna, a woman that has changed the entertainment world forever.
So, please....if you expect from her what she obviously will never deliver, go see someone else.
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Once again the answer to all this bullshit is...."if this is a career slump, then make it last forevah!"
Her peers would kill to be in her position.....both the old and the young ones.
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I just want 100% confirmation that it's going to be aired via the net so I can start making hummus, buying bottles of absinthe, and inviting Madonna fans over for drinks and a little celebration!
Start inviting!
100% confirmed!
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I am really sorry for the Aussie members here and for her true fans in Australia with "true" being the operative word here. They do deserve the MDNA tour experience. I had the privilege of being in the pit in Florence and I can only wish that her true Aussie fans will soon have the chance to live that kind of magical experience IN Australia.
I did notice that all passes read MDNA 2012-2013, which demonstrates that the intention to extend the tour to 2013 had been there all along.
I am sure there are valid reasons.
Meanwhile let's enjoy her acoustic show live at the Olympia, which will be broadcasted for the everyone to see. It sure is a special and unexpected treat from her.
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I guess she will rehearse it in a London studio during her Great Britain tour on her days off.
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Was Guy Ritchie really there?
New Paris Date - July 26
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There is nothing to get over, believe me.
I'm absolutely fine with it.
I expressed my opinion. You expressed yours.