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    New album thread - continued here. WE NEED TO WAKE UP to MAGIC.

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    5 hours ago, Herfaceremains said:

    Here’s an interpretation of the gay male perception of Madonna for anyone with the patience to read:

     Gay men have always had a generationally-appointed diva, and each new generation rejects the previous one’s because gay culture has traditionally been defined by late-onset individuation due to the experience of societal intolerance. The narcissistic pursuit of belonging to the Zeitgeist is ironically the antithesis of individuation and Madonna’s entire philosophy, but Madonna always offered the opportunity to conform and rebel in equal measure, and sometimes concurrently. This gave us options. She also shared a strong sense of queer politics and aesthetics due to the culture she gravitated toward and was shaped by.  

    Gay people used to look to the cultural past for glimmers of familiarity, acceptance and acknowledgement coded into the works of those who didn’t fit in and who either overcame the odds (individuated triumph) or were consumed by self-destructive tragedy (toxic shame). The mainstreaming of gay identity politics has essentially erased the need for an isolated community of support, and now belonging to the gay collective is more like a country club membership system, hierarchy and discrimination included.  In addition to this shifting dynamic less and less people under the age of 30 seem able to retain any information that isn’t condensed into an easily transferable sound bite to convey their “identity”, and so the past has become too arduous and dense to experience. It requires investment to attain multi-layered context; the historical, the cultural, and the individual. 

    Madonna was extraordinary in that she captured two distinct generations of youth culture in the mainstream, something that no other “gay diva” ever did, and probably never will again. Her rise coincided with a massive socio-cultural and economic shift in America, which she seemed to encapsulate perfectly, whether perceived with irony or taken literally. Her anthemic presence was a counterbalance to the dirge of AIDS. Some gay men who were either her peers or older hated her publicly, but followed her every move privately. Often those who hated her felt threatened by her because she challenged them to take ownership of themselves. Essentially Madonna rubbed people’s noses in their own shit, gay or straight, black or white. She wasn’t seeking the approval of anyone, and that irked a lot of people. When Madonna pursued a life that wasn’t relatable to some gay men by focusing on her family, seeking to address the problem of AIDS across Africa rather than America or Europe, and shifting her interest away from club culture, she became a pariah to them. A specific gay demographic that didn’t wish to conform to heteronormative values found itself faced with the dilemma of finding purpose beyond the clubs, the gym and grindr. Ironically, Madonna’s path is quite parallel, only she found something else, and this made her repellent to them, awakening their deepest insecurities.

     For all the sociological exploration herein, one thing is certain. Madonna is exceptional, and will eventually be re-embraced as supreme in her support of the community and mainstream representational pioneering of queer and underground culture.

    What happened a decade ago is, in my humble opinion, a total fabrication. Corporate culture essentially annointed the next Madonna because no one seemed to ever manage to eclipse her, which was extremely problematic for an industry that is all about youth...She wasn’t playing by the rules by outshining everyone ALL the time! Even when she didn’t sell, she was still top dog. I’m not sure why they picked Gaga to be elevated, but there must have been a checklist, and she matched the criteria required. The consistent erasure of the dialog about her mimicry as mediocrity, the lack of substance in her work and message, and her inability to connect with both mainstream and fringe cultures simultaneously (perhaps as a result of LGBTQ culture having fully integrated into the mainstream) make the Industry-wide support of her beyond questionable, but they have succeeded in creating a myth thanks to the generally uninquiring mind syndrome that plagues this rather peculiar generation. They have nothing to fight against as they are all defined by victimhood as the celebratory catalyst, whereas Madonna was about empowerment and transcendence. Some day soon intellect and curiosity will be traits to aspire to once again, and Madonna’s legacy will obliterate the falsehoods. That she seems intent on reminding the gays of her illustrious journey with the launch of her next era is definitely indicative of that resurgence. 

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    Madonna & Anitta collab

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    The song is not even out and all I read is complaining. You guys should stop being so negative. Sometimes I think some fans only like Madonna for her music, but never learned from what she always says and fight for. I particularly don't like Anitta, but a Brazilian artist getting recognition, showing that South America is more than the latin influences, is fucking great and we should appreciate it. 

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    New album thread: discuss here. #Magic

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    7 minutes ago, trickyricky said:

    i think the duet with anitta will come first prob around march end of febuary in a effort to try and appeal to her audience before she releases her solo work wouldnt be surpirised if the video has been completed then i think a new solo single from madonna in may late april along with the album 

    I agree, and will catch carnival in Brazil, that will be in March. Brazilians love Anitta, and Madonna was always strong on the radio here, so. It would be a great start for her

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