Acediace
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28 minutes ago, debord said:
The decapitated babies story came from a single source, which is discredited. The IDF has even said it has no evidence of it. Suggesting it's true because Hamas killed people is absolutely ridiculous.
And yes, Israel has used chemical weapons. Saying there's a possibility they haven't now is one thing, saying it has never used them is just a flat lie.
Israel never use chemical weapons. Period.
The 40 dead kids from one city (including babies) with some of them decapitated is real ad it gets. I'm not gonna post it here. Use Google translate to Hebrew and search the word babies. There are blurry images on social media. These are stuff that soldiers that are there said to people. I don't care about the single reporter from i24 or whatever. There are a lot of people that volunteer and gives food, clothes and stuff for soldiers that in the area, a lot of people are saying that the soldiers tell them about stuff that still havent been published and they this is much worst than action been done by Isis. Hamas=Isis period.
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19 minutes ago, debord said:
Given you passed off the already discredited video of kids in cages as being Hamas, and above posted about decapitated babies which is already being walked back, you've got quite a cheek to talk about 'false images' and 'semi-truths'. Orgs like Human Rights Watch have documented Israel's use of chemical weapons in Gaza while Israel denied it. Hilariously, despite denying it, they then announced they would stop using it in 2013. So I'm inclined to believe the scores of videos from Gaza showing it being used as part of the campaign against civilians there.
1. The decapitated babies is real. In one cities there are 40 bodies of babies and children with some of the decapitated. It's real. I don't need to use this story to create a shocking image. There are enough videos that Hamas terrorists upload in social media of murdered people, videos of them starting to burn down houses, young people rub for their lives in a festival and dead bodies of woman being paraded in Gaza. Don't belive it whatever the other cases are well all over social media. There a woman and daughter that got photos of the dead grandma from her phone being send by the terrorists. Another story about kids is not gonna change the value of the level of their psychotic barbarian behavior. And you are calling the campaign... this is just sick
2. Again it's a lie. Israel never used chemical weapons. Never. Don't belive this? Fine whatever I really don't care.
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8 minutes ago, debord said:
You keep posting people repeating what Hamas has done but you take issue with even mild opposition to Israel carrying out collective punishment to murder countless civilians and using chemical weapons?
First - No
Second - Israel never used chemical weapons. This is a complete lie... look for a proof for that, tell me if you find something.
This is what I'm talking about, you have a false image of the area. You've been fed up with so many semi-truths and lies that you will never believe thing that doesn't fit this narrative. But that's OK, there is really no point to have this argument
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Blind idiots
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17 minutes ago, promise to try said:
I agree that is not acceptable to kill even one person.But, do you know, a lot of people see Israel´s politician´s in the same way you have talked about hamas, right?
I have a lot of criticism on israeli politicians. I think that the main person to blame on Israel side Is Benjamin Netanyahu. He was the leader of every government for more than a decade. They let this monster to grow. I've been protesting this government this whole year for their actions. If you followed what been going on in Israel this year, you probably know what I'm talking about.
But when it comes to dealing with terrorism, There is no other way. Israel most defend itself cause if not, the recent event was only spoiler
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6 minutes ago, promise to try said:
and do you think, before saturday´s attack, some kind of negotiation was possible?were the palestinians seen as a partner to negotiate?
not now, but before this saturday´s attack, a lot of people (outside of israel) were in favour of a negotiation as the only way of salving the situation.well, at least around me, and in most of the media that I read/see/hear.The palestinians were portraid as the victims. Now everything has changed, but I think there´s a lot of media pro and against each of them everywhere. Well, the ones in favour of israel are mostly around the USA.
I ment to say that Israel never had any partner to negotiate with and now, after Saturday It should become clear to the whole world. Like I've heard just now that there are bodies of 40 babies and kids in one of the cities they've invaded, some without their head. You can't negotiate with this kind of thing.
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1 minute ago, whyme? said:
The population also dramatically shifted for other reasons we know. Practically all the Jews from middle eastern countries (from Morocco all the way to Afghanistan) had to leave their countries and Israel was their only hope. So the population shifted to Jewish. Why didn’t Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon grant their Muslim brothers citizenship instead of keeping them in rotten refugee camps for decades!?!?
The UN partition of land in 1948 was probably the smartest thing that was done there in the last 80 years. Two states for two peoples. Instead, 5 Arab countries attacked the new state of Israel and there have been wars ever since. Israel made the best of the shitty desert land it got and created one of the biggest economical miracles of the last century. A true bastion of democracy, education and technology that its Arab neighbors should have LEARNT FROM AND BENEFITTED FROM instead of attacking and killing them!
Meanwhile, the Palestinians leadership was rotten to the core and instilled a toxic culture of victimization and hate into its people. This is why I always say - get rid of Hamas and these horrid extremist groups. It just hurts the Palestinian people and makes Israel even more hawkish.
Period
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15 minutes ago, elijah said:
In what exactly? I d say all I said is deffinately facts.
Your history is definitely accurate.
But there is really no point for having this argument in a Maronna forum. Each persona see reality as he see. Really no point and it's a totally waste of time.
I will say this tho, the world need to understand that for Israel there is no partner to negotiate with to move on and create a solution for the conflict. I think this is very obvious by the recent events. If people don't see this, than they really know nothing about what's going on here
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Look, I know that I write in very emotional way and it's not black or white... but you have no idea how scared and hurt I am. I don't see Palestinian as bad people, I have friend from collage that ate Palestinian. We do live in peace on regular times. I do see Hamas as bad tho.
There is no point for me to actually talk about this In a madonna forum. I now that I will not change your mind
I just do this to pass the time
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Just now, karbatal said:
Palestine shouldn’t even have to share the land of what nowadays is Israel. They created a new State based on where people lived centuries ago. Just what Putin did with Crimea. Israel had the same rights on that land as Russia has on Crimea: NONE.
We have the right and we are gonna stay here
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2 minutes ago, karbatal said:
Preach
I'm really sorry that we're not dying enough. I will let terrorist kill me next year to change the statistics
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49 minutes ago, debord said:
It's completely irrelevant what states recognised each other and when. Gaza is recognised by the international community as an occupied terrority, and that comes with particular rights of resistance. But actually yes I agree with you, one state, however that's constituted, is the only viable solution.
Gaza is not occupied, Israel is not in Gaza, Isreal left this territory completely in 2005. The West Bank is the complicated issue regarding the occupation and is where the international community see as occupied. Not that for the Palestinian iisreally matters... for them, whole Israel should be palestine. From the river to the sea
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44 minutes ago, debord said:
Just constantly repeating that there is violence and swearing isn't an argument. And 'the media that I consumed'? If I based my views on Israel/Palestine solely on the media, I would be a rabid supporter of Israel. We can see right now that our governments are all looking the other way as Israel commits horrific war crimes, just as they look the other way as it commits ethnic cleansing.
The first time New York times published something about what is happening right now, they wrote that there's a situation or something like that with a picture of two Palestinians mothers crying. Don't tell me the media coverage in the world is pro Israel, this is some bullshit. You guys know nothing about things that going on here on regular basis. There were 35 terror action only this year in Israel by Palestinians terrorists. Did any of you ever heard about that?
Last year, few meters from where I work, while I was working, a Palestinian terrorist started shooting and killed 5 Israelis. Did you ever heard about that case?
No, you only hear when Israel is responding in Gaza. You hear about those stuff. Not about the rockets, tunnels , shooting and stabing that comes from Palestinians. Only when Israel is responding. So much that now all I see in social media are stuff like "yeah this is their resistance"
Yeah... resistance
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25 minutes ago, runa said:
Since 2008, 6407 Palestinians were killed while 308 Israelis were killed in the context of the occupation and conflict.
Those are official numbers from the United Nations. FACTS. Not Instagram posts from nobodies. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties. That was before the attack, obviously.
Having said that, I condemn the Hamas attack against Israel. If they wanted to make things worse for Palestinians, well done.
Some of these nobodies are people from Israel who went through the attacks that you condemn or know somebody that was brutally murdered, butchered, burned, kidnapped and raped. Don't call them nobodies.
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5 minutes ago, debord said:
"Israel has to give them water and electricity"
it's a blockade. That's kinda the point. And the idea the media disproportionately covers Israeli crimes as opposed to Palestinian ones is so divorced from the reality that it's laughable. Everyone in the world knows what Hamas did a few days ago. Almost no-one will know what has been happening in 2023 and the hundreds of Palestinea murdered unless they are already paying attention.
Yeah? And I'm sure that you know what the Palestinians terrorist did in 2023 (before all of this) and how many israeli were murdered by terror actions. You know small little cool thing like stabbing and shooting. I'm sure the media that you consumed show that to you.
This is exactly like what I've said before, you people have no fucking idea what the fuck is the true reality over year. People keep saying "oh oh oh the WOrld IS ÀlwAys WitH ISrahell But NEver with Palestine,
" while, they never even heat about our victims. FUCKING NEVER. only when Istael is responding. This time it's just so horrible that you can't deny this. But this is the fucking reality over here.
9 minutes ago, debord said:"Following Jesus of Nazareth" I mean could you be more on the nose
Yes is a bit too religious for me but that no the main message of the video right? There are so many pro Palestinian people that celebrating this. That bitch in the video is nothing less than a terrorist, that fucking bitch
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34 minutes ago, whyme? said:
What do you think drives this nationalism? Decades and decades of Islamic terror, suicide bombings on buses and cafes, stabbings, shootings, tens of thousands of rocket launches on innocent civilians, package bombs, murders, and now the horrific events on Saturday - the second largest terror attack in history. You call this “resistance”!? I can’t believe someone on this message board says that. That’s bullshit. They want every Jew in Israel dead - plain and simple. You open that border and trust me, that country israel won’t exist anymore. It’ll turn into an horrid place to live. The Palestinians need to change themselves, their thinking, and their leadership. So done with blaming Israel for everything!
This. Fucking this. And we really saw Saturday that literally if the border is open, Israel is no more.
But this reality is just don't fit the narrative of "Israel - strong bad evil occupation, Palestinians - poor weak victims"
And after year of the media showing *only* the actions of Israel while ignoring our victims and their constant terror action all over Israel,not only people keep with that fucked up "oh oh its so provocative to be with Palestine, nobody ever support them", people just can't deal with the fact that the Palestine is a failed group that all they did in these years is developing their terror organizations.
No other country will deal differently with situation like this. You blame Israel for all of it? Where is the world? Where is Egypt, Jordan or Iran? What the fuck they did to help the Palestinian people? What your country did? Even Israel has to give them water and electricity while getting rockets from them for 23 years, and you people keep staying in the narrative that stuck deep in your mind
Wake the fuck up. Even Palestinian people that live in Israel don't want anything to do with Gaza anymore. Wake the fuck up
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9 minutes ago, debord said:
Nah, from apartheid and occupation. Which will also free Israelis.
No honey. Israelis are free. The thing thats prevents us from true freedom and happiness is Palestinian terrorists and Iran.
Go visit Gaza... I'm sure that they will accept gay madonna fan with open arms
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1 hour ago, karbatal said:
They are even proud of it. Horrible crimes can’t be answered with horrible crimes.
Proud??? You think that we are happy for this???
WKAE THE FUCK UP FROM THE NARRATIVE THAT YOU USE TO FRO YOUR COMFORTABLE CHAIR in I don't know where the fuck it is. WE ARE DEALING WITH FUCKING ISIS.
none of us fucking happy for this!!! FUCKING NONEEEE!!!!
When this barbaric "freedom fighters" murdered children and woman an kidnapped innocent people, they weren't like "yeah this is how we are gonna be free". THEY KNEW.THEY FUCKING KNEW, that the response from Israel is gonna be this. THEY KNEW!!! Hamas=Isis is the real problem of the Palestinian people. They know what they are doing.
I just can't with people around the world thinking they know a glimpse of the history of Israel showing maps from 1948, screaming "occupation occupation occupation " knowing nothing about what's going on here for decades.
Not that I'm expecting that my messages will change your minds. I really don't give a fuck, it's just that I have the need to focus on unless shit because I can see and hear about all of happened anymore
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3 minutes ago, debord said:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyMBXr8Is87/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Yeah I can do this too
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3 hours ago, ULIZOS said:
Free Palestine
Free Israel and Palestine fron Hamas and all other terror organizations
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I can't deal with people talking nonsense, speaking with zero knowledge of what's happening in this area. I live here. I know this reality. You don't live here. none of you grew up with memories of exploding buses, with rockets flying into your neighborhoods. You talking about oppression bullshit. Israel left Gaze in 2005 in order to move toward peace. These fucking terrorist monsters spend all of their money on terror and keep growing. PEOPLE SINCE 2000 KEPT GETTING ROCKETS TO THEIR HOMES FROM GAZA IN THE PLACES WHERE THE HORRIFIC EVENTS WERE. SINCE 2009 THE CITY I LIVE IN STARTED TO JOIN THIS TERROR CYCLE.
YOU FUCKING DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!
of course, the blame is on the Israeli government all these years that let this thing go on and on and on, but people can't deny that Israel is facing terrorism.
I'm afraid to get out of the house. I'm afraid the army is gonna call me to join the war. I'm afraid for my family and friends' lives. I can't stop thinking about all of these people that the monsters reached them. there is a Kibbutz that was completely destroyed, with nothing left of it...
A young woman was at the party that was that night. they murdered her, dragged her naked body to Gaza "celebrated" her naked dead body on the street, assaulted her body, and filmed all of this and uploaded this on social media so Israelis would see it. She was from Germany, her mother made a video begging that her daughter's body would returned to her...Think about this case and imagine 1000 more like this ( as for now, we still don't know everything and there are more than 100 people kidnapped in Gaza)... you people talking about oppression... They are fucking monsters...
I have a Palestinian friend from college, and I've heard many Palestinians from Israel saying that from now on they consider themselves Israeli and not Palestinians
their attackers killed many arab people in Israel too
You don't know shit
Israel, Hamas, Iran, etc.
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Israel never admitted usage of chemical weapons!!!!! Never!!!!
Fucking look fir social media videos and images from the recent event!!!! There are so many videos of woman and children being dragged, kidnapped and so many horrible stuff!!! Fucking listen to the news. Everybody is reporting these stuff!!!!! It all over gucking social media!!!!!
But whatever bye see ya in celebration tour in Amsterdam if I'll live by then