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    For those who went to the CT...

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

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    I wasn't at any M forums at the time, so my only spoilers were some general press. I was seeing Confessions in Rome, which was truly epic in itself (her first time back since her early nineties debacle with the pope) so everyone knew about the cross before. But the entire show was magic, I was unprepared for I Feel Love, fantastic. Live To Tell I had goosebumps all over, it felt like a piece of history through so many ages..... I don't remember LAV any different than the CT dvd. I still feel it's her most cohesive tour, everything flowed. And that especially Rome was something out of this world performing it there.

    I was in Rome as well, front row!

    That tour and that specific concert were amazing.

    I knew everything about the tour, but it was still incredible. No spoilers could prepare you for the epic-ness of it!

    Grace Jones comments on Madonna, Beyoncè, Miley, Nicki in her autobiography

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

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    If you watch old Grace Jones shows before Goude reinvention, you'll see a lot of Madonna : the wedding dress (Debbie Harry did it too at CBGB's and it was a suggestion to Madonna made by Maripol who was/is friend with both Debbie and Grace) etc...Also They hang out with the same people : Maripol and Keith Haring. Warner wanted Goude to direct the video for Material girl but she thought the association between his work and Jones was too strong and she fought a lot to have her idea of remaking Diamonds are a girl's best friend getting approval.

    What really doomed Grace Jones is a lack of work ethic and cocaine. If you read a Madonna bio in your life you'd know Michael Roseblatt her first PR and the one who actually had her signed to Sire and who managed her before Like a virgin (he hired Reggie Lucas, said no to the Edo Bertoglio photoshoot and hired Gary Heery) "sold' her to clubs as somebody "people who like Grace Jones might like too". Madonna's mega success around 1985 took everyone by surprise because they liked her but thought she was just a fad and by 1987 she became the template for female pop artists, so hearing everybody telling you" it should be you" and "You should do what she does" for people who came before her and whose careers where suddenly at a standstill must have been terrible. There's a Rolling Stone interview with Madonna from 1986 (i think it's the New Madonna one with Matthew Rolston pics) where the journalist joins Madonna, Sean and Chrissie Hynde at a restaurant and Chrissie Hynde (who was a friend of Sean and was Madonna's major influence during her Emmy years) was petty and condescending with Madonna.

    The thing is Grace before Goude took a lot from Marlene Dietrich and if i remember well she was promoted as the black Marlene Dietrich because of her voice and that captain costume....but it's really Goude and Chris Blackwell (Island records boss) that made her iconic. The disco records are (to me) painful to listen to. I remember a documentary about disco music where Tom Moulton the producer of her disco records dissed them (and her as a pain in the ass who cannot sing).

    As for her views on the new girls i think it's painful and sad to say that because it makes her sound bitter like Chrissie Hynde and Debbie Harry. Yes they are sexual and i truly think it's genuine when it comes from Rihanna or Miley because just like Madonna they are sexual not sexy and they are not trying to be, it's just who they are unlike Gaga who wants to be that girl she's not.

    As for "Doris" it makes me think of Janet, as many letters in the name...when Janet started until the Janet album she was not sexy nor sexual at all, she was always covered from head to toe and suddenly when she signed to Virgin she became Madonna but went further than her since she did not let go of the sex thing and tried to explore something else (Janet never talks about religion or spirituality) she went deep into the subject till it became ALL she had to say (from all for you to today).

    Very interesting reading!

    I didn't know the anecdote about the MG video....

    I'd love to see it directed by Goude

    Another day, another CHEEK thread.

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

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    To me, her work wit Dr Frederic Brandt peaked at it's worst at this year's Brit Awards. She looked so unhuman and bad that any aging process would have been more appealing.

    I'm so happy that right after that she turned it around completely and now she looks like th creamy smooth pop icon goddess she's meant to be!!!!!

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    Hard Candy Photoshoot : What were they thinking??!!?

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

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    Sorry, but I wish she would've taken the "old washed up whore" look of the "white" photo session a step further. It's not always about being "pretty" and "flawless". Even with the actual HC cover,she clearly wasn't going for "pretty and sexy" she was going for garish and tacky. Even back then it shocked me how her fans did not "get" her image at this time. The way the GP misunderstood Erotica/Sex is the way her diehard fans misunderstood HC/S&S. The interpretation was she was trying to be hot, sexy and cool by wearing what she wore on HC cover + working with "hot producers". Clearly that's not what she was going for.

    I agree. It was an experiment that backlashed.

    I think it was way to hip for her. No matter how amazing she looked, she was not a 20 years old model with flawless skin so that styling and lighting did not suit her at all.

    I just think M and Klein got over-confident after their previous flawless collaborations and dropped the ball.

    But I also feel that they could have done more with the photos in post production. They could have fixed some more of them. But I guess M had just moved on and focused more on the Munro shoot for the tour...

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