mangapop
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In case you didn't understand, as far as I know, many think you have to dance like in movies Honey or Step Up do be considered as a great dancer.
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Yuck @ anyone preferring Miley to Gaga. In fact, fuck em both.
Well said.
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I think the track record for "musical collaboration" vs. "doing it all yourself" is far better.
And I should have added to my final line in my last post - Look at your favorite records. Look at the most successful music of all time. AND look at the best quality music. More often than not it is from collaboration.
Of course there are more collaborations. One person doing the whole thing is rare.
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I think you need to get your hearing checked. The MDNA/TIC version is not down-tempo at all. It is an up-tempo dance version...a club remix. RIT is entirely different...a much slower tempo and more acoustic.
I don't think so.
Although she used the TIC mix, it isn't the same version. There are differences between MDNA tour and TIC version.
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It is quite depressing how people never want to give Madonna proper credit for her achievements. Even her own fans do it continually. Not only has she co-written many songs, but as other members have pointed out, she has written some solo.
Madonna won a dance scholarship and yet people say she can't dance well. She has written music and played in bands before she was famous. Read accounts of her life by Dan and Ed Gillroy and you will see how she was incredibly involved and dedicated to song-writing. She sings beautiful ballads and pop classics beautifully yet people say she can't sing. Producers, song-writers, musicians and other artists who have worked with her have all commented on how musical and hands-on she is, yet on this very thread people are doubting her ability.
I have always seen her as a good dancer. I guess many people think great dancers are those who dance to hip hop/r'n'b music.
I guess you understand what I mean. They don't see other form of dance besid that stupid urban dance.
If Madonna was good at ballet, they still wouldn't consider her a dancer.
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I think people tend to forget that writing credits are a dirty business. Look at the situation between Shep and Tony Shimkin. People will do anything to get their name on a writing credit. Frankie Lymon's record executive had falsely taken writing credits on all their songs, just so he could receive royalties.
I think Tony Shimikin is one of the producers of Erotica, although the credits doesn't say so.
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To me, it absolutely IS overrated. Unless you are Prince...and even then, I think the man is genius, but he is often far too repetitive. I think parts of his body of work would be better if he did open himself up to more collaboration (of course, he'll never do that).
I've grown up around professional musicians and songwriters. I've seen a bit of the process. And from what I've taken from them, the best music really is often a true collaboration between two or more minds ... whether they be musicians, composers, lyricists, even sound engineers and mixers getting involved (as they truly shape the final form of the record that we then will all hear...their work is often misunderstood and far under-appreciated).
Look at your favorite records. Look at the majority of the most successful music of all time. More often than not it is a collaboration between, at the very least, two minds. "Doing it all yourself" may sound great considering not too many can do that...but that doesn't automatically make it great.
You are right it doesn't always make it great if one person does all, but even if more people are working together to create music doesn't mean the resul will be great. Making successful music doesn't mean making quality music.
KATE BUSH works alone and she always shows how great music genius she is.
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Didn't know about this, thanks for sharing.
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Ummmm... the "Like A Prayer" on RIT is totally different than the MDNA version. RIT is a stripped down, down-tempo version. MDNA is the classic Shep Pettibone dance remix (ala The Immaculate Collection).
Although she used The Immacualte Collection version, it is still down-tempo just like the RIT version.
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No they're not.
Obviously you are not able to make difference and similarity between her songs. Seems like Angel and Bedtime Story are on the same level to you.
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Why does this always become a big deal with Madonna? It's like someone is always trying to discredit her.
Most acts in the music business do NOT do everything themselves...they collaborate with those who are the 'real' writers, that create the actual music (chords, orchestration, etc.). Most of the 'artists' themselves that do get involved in the process often are just writing the lyrics, while some (like Madonna) go in and shape the melodies as well (which IS actually co-writing the music itself). Then there are those that don't really do much at all, but go in and change a lyric or two so they can get a writers credit (because everyone knows that's where the money is).
And then there are those that are notorious for paying out a certain amount (behind closed doors) to get a writers credit, or the full writers credit...while the truth is that they actually did absolutely nothing. It's one of the ugly little truths about the industry.
Most acts are not Prince where they are doing everything themselves...and to be honest, I find collaboration the best way to write music anyway. Often the best songs are made that way.
"Doing every little thing yourself" seems to be overrated, and placed on some pedestal by the industry.
I read that even Madonna has changed a few lines for some songs just to get credit. I don't know is that truth.
"Doing every little thing yourself" seems to be overrated, and placed on some pedestal by the industry. - I don't think it is overrated. There are not so much people who do everything by themselves.
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Future Lovers is the best performance on CT.
Erotica is one of the highlights.
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what about "Angel"? That song is GREAT!!
So are GMAYL and Superstar.
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I can't believe a Madonna fan is saying that what Miley is doing is similar to what Madonna was doing back then. I just can't believe it.
Madonna actually had a MESSAGE behindmost of her shock antics. All Miley is doing is showing her ass just for the sake of being a slut. That's a big difference and i think any Madonna fan should know that.
Actually the fact that Miley has any fan at all is quite shocking tbh. Who can really be a fan of that mess? Most of them are just bandwagoners because she started slaying again, that's all. Nobody were here for her during the CBT era but suddenly everyone is here for her again and actually ACCLAIMING her?? It's just so obvious, as much as Interscope's payola for Applause in the US.
Agree.
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Its a fact P. Leonard hated Madonna going for DeeJays..
Mainly Pettibone and Orbit.
I have read that Leonard and Pettibone didn't get a long.
Pettibone proved that he can do more than just remixing songs. Erotica was flawless.
When you compare Pettibone to some new DJs like Solveig, it is obvious that there is a big difference. Solveig made catchy songs, but they weren't like the ones which Pettibone made. TUTR was a perfect example of Solveig's sound on Madonna's album, while he managed to make song like IDGA, which doesn't sound like Solveig, which is good.
I think Leonard is afraid she might lost herself in DJ sound and not to express her own style.
I wonder what does Leonard think of Pettibone now?
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A few years I bought Peter Cetera's 1988 album "One More Story" cos Madonna's on it as backing vocalist during one track.
Anyway - was listening to it the other week for the first time since I got it. The album is mostly written and produced by Pat Leonard and it's really really wierd how it all is very very reminiscent of "WHO'S THAT GIRL"!
They forgot that one in the article above btw - one of Madonna's biggest worldwide number ones - anyway...
The Peter Cetera album has so many other people on it from True Blue & Like A Prayer - it's kinda almost like a pretend Madonna album from that era. Definitely worth a listen. I can't stand Peter Cetera's middle of the road style and his voice doesn't do anything for me but all those Leonard tracks are strangely likeable. The lead track "Best of Times" is I think the strongest and as I say - so VERY WHO'S THAT GIRL sounding!!!
Pat Leonard lovers should check it out!
Thanks. It definitely worth to listen, just to see what else Madonna could have made in WTG era.
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I think you're taking what Miley did a little too seriously. She was just acting silly and having fun. Calling Miley a "prostitute" is a bit extreme and pretty hilarious coming from a MADONNA fan when all through the 80's, Madonna was criticized how she was dressed (or not dressed) and parading around half naked in her videos. The VMA's aren't the Grammys or Oscars. Outrageous stuff is expected on that show. The 80's and early 90's was full of that. Ever since that, it seems an act is always using the VMA's to do something outrageous. Miley managed to grab the most attention. This performance will be one of the few performances in the last ten years which will always be talked about, much like Madonna's first VMA performance and the kiss with Brit and Christina, and many other stunts throughout the years.
I wouldn't call it silly. Madonna has taste, even her images of sex in the videos were sophisticated in some way.
Miley was like a porn character on the stage...It simply wasn't just provocative. It wasn't for the tv at all.
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"She writes a lot with deejays now." - True
"She doesn’t write the music, that’s for sure." - Well, i don't know really. Nobody does, we can only guess. I belive she write the lyrics, but she doesn't write music. Actually, she helps other people to write music. She sings the melody she has imagined and then someone like Leonard write it on a paper. In the end, she is the part of the process.
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ROTFL.... Madonna doing "SEX" book. A lot of fans and Madonna will call it "art". Many others would call it "pornography". Look, I don't disagree that Miley isn't tramping up her image, but let's not pretend Madonna didn't either. I prefer to say she did it for "art", but good gosh, I really don't see much difference in what Miley is doing and what Madonna has been doing all these years to gain attention.
SEX book was vulgar. Especially the texts.
But that is the only great sexual thing she used to provoke. Maybe she has crossed the line...
On the other hand, it wasn't pornography, it was erotica. Erotica is a mix of art and sex. Her book was shot in black and white, the pics have retro vibe...
If some other singer would make Sex book, I doubt it would be like Madonna's. The artistic element would be missing.
Miley at VMA'S - I have never seen Madonna on stage wanting dick so much... Miley was like a prostitute...
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C'mon, who are you trying to convince here? You're talking to a Madonna fanbase. I don't get why you and others have to make this some kinda contest as if Madonna did it better. Certainly, as a fan we will favor Madonna, BUT.... trying to say Madonna did it, "delivering great music" is soooooooooo subjective. Not that I disagree. Though, the fact is a lot of people were saying similar things about Madonna back in the day, and still bash her today. A lot of people said Madonna's music was/is mediocre at best and she tramped up her image to get people to notice her. Madonna certainly had the ability to do it her way and not care what people think. Miley seems to be taking a page from Madonna whether it's intentional or just her style. Whatever the case, it's working, and I really don't see much beyond that comparison!
Behind SEX book, there was music masterpice called Erotica.
She has always doing great pop music. People accused her for selling albums through scandals, whhich isn't true.
Many singers have to shock, because they make crap, and being provocative is the only way to stay on top.
Madonna has always been a perfectionist. She didn't just make an album and then decide to show her vagina to the whole world...
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People compare every female singer to Madonna, if they are sexually provocative.
Yes, Madonna was also sexually provocative, but she always does it in a smart way.
LAV at VMA'S - erotic elements
Miley at VMA'S -pornography
It is a huge difference.
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Very emotional. One of the most genius moments in Madonna's artistry.
Well I wouldn't call it genius, it is too much.
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You can't be serious. Miley is obviously obsessed with being n°1 like ALL the others popstars. Before We Can't Stop became a hit she said that "radio needed her music". And not borderline psychotic? Are you sure? She seems to be pretty much a psycho judging byt her desperate antics.
Some of you guys shouldn't have this "anyone but Gaga" mentality. It's quite ridiculous since there's a LOT of shit artists who are as bad as Gaga and who have even less talent than her.
Believe me i hate Gaga as much as you do but that doesn't mean i'm going to kiss the ass of some shitty "artist" just because he/she eclipsed Gaga in a way or another. Miley is pure pathetic trash and it's a fact. Her 2013 comeback is seriously one of the worst things that ever happened to music.
Agree.
Miley is only popular because she has become another music prostitute.
It is annonying when people compare her to Madonna. Madonna was also showing her body, but when she was doing it she also was delivering great music.
Miley is showing her body, because that is the only way she can top the charts.
Patrick Leonard Speaks ..and he misses Madonna!
in ARCHIVE - Madonna
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S&S had elements of urban dancing.
Anyway, people i know are usually impressed with urban dance.