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    Trump / US politics thread 🚽

    in Politics and World Events

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    3 minutes ago, KalamazooJay said:

    I'm not personally screaming over this whole Kathy Griffin thing. And I'm well aware that there are much bigger issues out there to talk about. My beef with this whole thing is that she KNEW exactly the kind of media meltdown this would generate. She's a shrewd woman and was even BRAGGING about it in the behind the scenes commentary. She didn't do this to make a political point or any kind of deep social commentary. This wasn't 'ART' as she said in a very Gaga-ish manner. She did this for some kind of twisted ego fulfillment. 

    And I also don't think this is anything like Madonna's speech. Her speech was organic and was said to inspire and make a point. This didn't do either of those things. 

    I love political humor. I love dark humor. But this isn't humorous. It's celebrity narcissism at it's worst.

    Oh well. Today the media is talking about how Trump misspelled a word in a tweet. God, every single day I'm closer to moving into the country to raise goats and plant gardens. This planet becomes more insufferable by the hour.

    (Not you fine people in this forum. You're my daily escapism and I love and value all of the opinions in here) :smooch: 

     

    Totally agree with everything you said here.  Her need for attention is absolutely insatiable.  I've always enjoyed her but this was just a really, really stupid thing to do.

    Popey Wopey says Christians should apologize to gays

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    FROM CNN:

    Aboard the Papal Plane (CNN)Pope Francis said Sunday that Christians owe apologies to gays and others who have been offended or exploited by the church, remarks that some Catholics hailed as a breakthrough in the church's tone toward homosexuality.

    "I repeat what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says: that they must not be discriminated against, that they must be respected and accompanied pastorally," Francis said at a press conference aboard the papal plane returning from Armenia.
    "The Church must ask forgiveness for not behaving many times -- when I say the Church, I mean Christians! The Church is holy, we are sinners!"
    As he often does during unscripted moments -- particularly papal news conferences -- the Pope spoke expansively, saying the church should seek forgiveness for a number of historical slights committed in its name.
    Groundbreaking Moment
    "I believe that the church not only should apologize to the person who is gay whom it has offended," he added, "but has to apologize to the poor, to exploited women, to children exploited for labor; it has to ask forgiveness for having blessed many weapons."
    The Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and editor at large of America magazine, called the Pope's apology to gays and lesbians "a groundbreaking moment."
    "While St. John Paul II apologized to several groups in 2000 -- the Jewish people, indigenous peoples, immigrants and women, among them -- no pope has ever come close to apologizing to the LGBT community. And the Pope is correct of course. First, because forgiveness is an essential part of the Christian life. And second, because no group feels more marginalized in the church today than LGBT people."
    The Pope's comments came in response to a question about a German Cardinal who said the Catholic Church should apologize for being "very negative" about gays. The Pope was also asked whether Christians bear some blame for hatred toward the LGBT community, as horrifically demonstrated in the Orlando massacre at a gay night club that killed 49 people on June 12.
    Repeating the teaching of the Catechism of the Catholic Church about respecting and not discriminating against gays, Pope Francis said that one could condemn certain behavior.
    "One can condemn, but not for theological reasons, but for reasons of political behavior...Certain manifestations are a bit too offensive for others, no?
    "But these are things that have nothing to do with the problem. The problem is a person that has a condition, that has good will and who seeks God, who are we to judge? And we must accompany them well."
    'Immense Blessing'
    Francis first uttered that rhetorical question -- Who am I to judge gay people? -- in 2013, also during a news conference on the papal plane. His comments were hailed as a breakthrough for a church that has historically condemned homosexuality, often in harsh terms. Francis has not changed church doctrine that calls homosexual acts sinful, but he has shown a more merciful approach to people on the margins, including gays and lesbians.
    Francis DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, a Catholic gay rights group, called the Pope's remarks "an immense blessing of healing."
    "No pope has said more welcoming words to LGBT people than when Pope Francis today offered his recommendation that the Church -- indeed all Christians -- should apologize for the harm religious traditions have caused to LGBT people. The pope's statement was simple, yet powerful, and it fell from his lips so easily."
    As is often the case, the Pope's press conference encompassed a number of controversial questions. Here are the Pope's answers about Brexit, former Pope Benedict XVI and why he used the word "genocide" to describe the murder of more than 1 million Armenians in the early 20th century.
    Brexit
    "For me, unity is always superior to conflict, but there are different forms of unity and also brotherhood. and here I come to the EU -- brotherhood is better than enmity or distance and bridges are better than walls.
    "The step which the EU has to take to recover the strength of its roots is a step of creativity and healthy 'separation;' that is, to give more independence, more freedom to the countries of the EU, to think of another form of union, to be creative in jobs, in the economy..."
    "There is something that is not working in that unwieldy union, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, let's try to jump-start things, to recreate .. today the two key words for the EU are creativity and fecundity."
    Genocide
    Pope Francis said that while Turkey has, "a right to protest," he has always used the word genocide, since his time in Argentina, and again last year quoting John Paul II so "it would have sounded very strange," he said, not to use it again.
    "In Argentina, when you spoke about the extermination of Armenians, one always used the word genocide. I did not know another word ... When I came to Rome, I heard the other words, 'The Great Evil' and the Armenian term which I do not know how to say, and they told me that ... using 'genocide' is offensive, that you have to say something else. I have also spoken about three genocides of the last century, always three, first the Armenian, then Hitler, and the last one is Stalin."
    "After I heard the tone of the President's speech and also with my past with this word, which I uttered last year in St. Peter's publicly, it would have sounded very strange not to say the same word."
    Two Popes?
    In response to a question about whether there are two Popes in the Vatican, a story which had received headlines recently because of a comment by Pope Benedict's personal secretary who said that the Pope Emeritus was part of an "expanded papacy," Francis said, "There is only one Pope."
    "[benedict] is the Pope Emeritus, the wise grandpa. He is the man who guards my back with his prayers."

    German shooting

    in Politics and World Events

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    Can't handle this world anymore. I had to deactivate Facebook for a bit because I'm so tired of seeing all the pictures of animals being abused, homophobia, political arguments... So much sadness and chaos. And yeah I know deactivating is a bit dramatic but honestly if I didn't do that, I'd just keep checking it because I have no self control, it's such a habit.

    These poor people in Germany. Somehow, someway, this has to stop.

    Alligator drags child into lake at Disney resort in Orlando

    in Politics and World Events

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    Apparently, this 2 year old was wading in the water, at night, by himself, with the parents nearby. Florida is known for alligators and there are "no swimming" signs posted EVERYWHERE around this lake. The initial story posted here makes it sound like he was snatched from the beach while watching a movie, but now it seems that is not the case. Such a completely avoidable tragedy and I suspect Disney will somehow be blamed or suffer the repercussions of this.

    2016 Pulse Nightclub mass shooting

    in Politics and World Events

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    I wasn't there, and I've been going in an out of depressive episodes since Saturday night. The constant feeling of dread and bleakness has not left. I really had no idea how bad this can make a community suffer until this happened right in my backyard. The worst mass shooting in US history happened a mile from my apartment, in a nightclub I frequent, where dozens of gay men and women were murdered, the vast majority of them hispanic. It's eating me alive.

    So if I feel that way, how does Axel feel? Kate? Juan? Gypsy? Josh, my friend who escaped? The mourning families? It's unthinkable. I go from wanting to talk about it to not wanting to talk about it. Trying to focus on other tasks, to obsessively scouring the internet for news. It's following all of us as we grieve.

    It's bad.

    I am so, so sorry for what you're going through, my friend. If you ever need to reach out privately, I am here for you. Otherwise, know that there is an entire community here who loves and supports you and is more than eager to offer any assistance we can during this time. It's hard for all of us, but I can only imagine how it's affecting you, the people that were there that night and escaped, and the family members and friends of the victims. Much love to you.

    2016 Pulse Nightclub mass shooting

    in Politics and World Events

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    Tears....

    Eddie Jamoldroy Justice, a 30-year-old accountant, sought shelter in the bathroom from where he texted his mom:
    Mommy I love you
    In the club they shooting
    Trapp in the bathroom
    Call police
    Im gonna die
    His mother, Mina Justice, tried to reassure him that she'd called 911 and help was coming:
    Calling them now.
    U still there?
    Answer your phone.
    Call me.
    Call me.
    Justice replied: Call them mommy
    Now
    Im still in the bathroom
    Hes coming
    Im going to die
    He then went silent. He was among the 49 who didn't make it.

    Killing of gorilla to save boy at Ohio zoo sparks outrage

    in Politics and World Events

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    People only care about the lives of certain animals. I find that sad. All this faux outrage is ridiculous.

    Agreed. I want to know what any of these people do on a daily basis to help animals in general. It's so easy these days to jump on any "outrage" bandwagon because all it takes is the click of a mouse, not any actual work. It's so irritating. The petition is irritating. I feel bad for the gorilla, sure. I'm glad the kid wasn't harmed. Who knows how negligent the mom was. No matter how good of a parent you are, you can't watch your kids every second of every day. This happens to be an extreme case of a kid doing something stupid, and a poor animal lost its life as a result. I don't know this for sure by any means, but it probably didn't enjoy its life too much anyway, being a spectacle day in and day out, for gawking idiots. Anyway, back to my original point, I hope the same people who are so enraged about this gorilla dying aren't going to circuses or taking horse-drawn carriage rides on city streets or buying puppies from puppy mills (etc, etc, etc). If you care that much, be a part of something bigger to make a difference for all animals.

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