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Icykiller

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  1. I agree with you only in terms of these being Madonna's intentions. But I don't agree that the execution of BIM (song/video) completely succeeds in conveying what you or Madonna or many others here think it so brilliantly conveys. Yes, some people may not get the message at all, but many other do get it. They just don't buy it, don't like it, don't believe it. I've heard many people say that they like the song but that she is creepy or trying too hard or don't even believe that she is a party person at all. Explaining that this is kind of the point usually doesn't make them go running to their itunes account. They still judge her to be creepy, tryhard, phony. Many other people have told me that they love that she's fighting ageism but think the song is too dumb "for Madonna" (these are also the people that always end their Madonna backstabbing essays with, "She looks great, though!"). Again, if you say that's kind of the point, they obviously are not going to all of a sudden start playing the song. (I should add I mostly talk to twenty- and thirty-somethings, no idea how this translates to younger people.)

    My only point is that it's not that black or white. Most people probably fall somewhere in the middle. (To be clear, I fall in this category but mostly with MNation in that I love the song and I love the video; I just wish the lyrics and vocals were a little less moronic, but I think that's more a matter of taste than of morals; her vitality and curiosity and energy continue to influence and help me so much).

    As for preaching... Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but I don't think there's a single pop act in music who is preachier than her. She's also incredibly literal. But she can also be just as obscure and symbolic, usually within the same song or performance. That's why she's the greatest pop legend that has ever lived.

    I feel the same way.

    The greatness and downfall of BIM is that it covneys in less than 5 minures (both song and video) everything that Madonna stands for as of now in the collective conscious. A try hard who wants to recapture her 80s freshness and 90s edge while still trying to look young. All while gloryfing the current celebrity culture of being something for the sake of being in the spotlight.

    If anything, BIM went from blandness to greatness by becoming a single. As many other Madonna songs in the past. Hung up itself comes to my mind... Awesome music/production/video, kinda lame lyrics, but a whole lotta message to convey to the audiences. This time, though, the pill's too hard to swallow, I think, and there's no glorious ABBA sample.

  2. There's an interview where she's clearly quite pissy about the GHV2 album and not that into it. One megamix single and it was gone.

    Also, wasn't it because AP was released as a single? They so should have released Time Stood Still! But that's another thread.

    Where's the gossip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This is what I remember. Do not know what is true and what isn't:

    1. Time stood still, the urban myth said, had an unreleased video. It was not released as single bacause M was pregnant and wanted Music out fast and before going into full maternity mode. (To be honest, I don't buy this one).

    2. Apparently, there were some recording sessions at the time of GHV2, and Nobody Knows Me came about during them. However, it is not clear if she meant these songs for the greatest hits album, or had already AL on her mind.

  3. The French setlist is the only one that mentioned both Joan Of Arc & Wash All Over Me, since then they were not part of rumors but I seriously doubt she would ignore both of them, surely these songs are important to her and would include them on tour...

    I think Madonna sometimes sacrifices a song she likes for another that flows better with her conception of the show. For instance, we now know that she wanted Falling Free to be a single, but she decided not to perform it at the MDNA tour.

  4. Well what is done is done but because this was the only song she produced alone it is a bit unfortunate how things turned out.

    How unfortunate? The song's brilliant. I want a post-Ghosttown meets American Life kind of video, a postwar Madonna whose only hope left is love. And this can be the mood for the RH tour! oh, ad I envision some rope dancing a la Human Nature, and tying in the image of the RH album cover.

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