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    Madonna @ NYC pride - CONFIRMED !

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    6 minutes ago, Ai Papi Si. said:

    Karbatal - my baby, you know what American gay men are like. They're like fucking Dionysus clones multiplied by the millions. They live for pleasure only. Some of us (ME) juggle both our pleasures while still trying to be a productive member of the community.  But by and large, American gay men like spoon-fed pleasures. Brunch, anus pictures, beach outings, Ariana Grande, iced coffee, and occasional drug use. American Life will be lost on them. Hell, it's lost on me - not because I don't know what she's talking about, but because I think it's an awkward, cheesetastic and tuneless song associated with dragging down a pretty decent album with it. It's one of her most unforgivable sins for me. And she's performing it at the 50th Anniversary of the Stonewall Riots at New York Pride. A massive event, a massive moment for gay men in this country. 

    Think like an American gay man after reading that last sentence. All he's gonna say is "the bitch has fucking lost it"

    That's a kind of sad, especially for me who is from a country where being gay is still really dangerous.

    God Control video - OUT NOW!!!

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    1 minute ago, Ai Papi Si. said:

    Nah that’s not happening with me. This album will have legs. Pitchfork even gave COADF a blah score. We all know their game.

    what really set me off was the Pride set list 

    I support her artistic vision, but she might reconsider her set list a little bit if the info is accurate. 

    God Control video - OUT NOW!!!

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    6 minutes ago, Flip The Switch said:

    Believe me some are already biting their tongues. 

    Being a Madonna fan sometimes can be tough.

    I came here in 2012 after "black-muslim-in-the-white-house" gate to escape from media that were bashing Madonna constantly.

    I need a little bit of positivity in my life when it comes to Madonna, but it has been really nerve wracking lately. 😀

    Madonna @ NYC pride - CONFIRMED !

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    1 minute ago, Mensch said:

    Even come alive would be amazing live in the outdoor atmosphere 

    It wouldn't.

    It's a repetitive song.

    I wouldn't mind "I Rise" mixed with some old hits.

    The new album is mid tempo album.

    Only Maluma/Anitta songs would sound amazing outdoors.

    God Control is too baroque to be performed on festivals.

    Pitchfork (s)hit-job review

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    3 minutes ago, frzndrwnwrld said:

    This is another example of why I hate reading Madonna reviews. It's never about the music. It's just filled with personal attacks, picking and choosing moments of the past as ammunition. This person seems to love to know everything about her and then trash her. I've noticed a few fans like that. They used to like her but continue to follow her anyway just to be super negative. It's really irresponsible for the editors of Pitchfork to have someone so completely biased against her review the album.

    I really hate this whole "cultural appropriation" thing. Is she just supposed to sing about being an Italian girl who was raised in Michigan? Like she's literally not allowed to appreciate other cultures? WTF has society turned into? One of the main reasons why I love Madonna is how fascinated she is by art and culture and how it inspires her. I love seeing her influences. That's the whole point of who she is and what she does. It's been like that since the beginning. Why should she stop being who she is? This goes into the age thing too. Why must she start being someone else when she hits a certain age? I feel weep for humanity when I hear shit like that. lol

    It's not appropriation.

    She worked with authentic musicians. They are on the album.

    She didn't take anything.

    Diffrent cultures are acknowledged. 

    Sorry if my post is a bit messy, but this guy ruined my day. 😂

    Pitchfork (s)hit-job review

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    31 minutes ago, karbatal said:

    But the goal is not to make them retract, is to send our surprise at the lack of professionalism, so the rest of the writers in Pitchwork who secretly hate that lamb will laugh at him and he will know.

    That's how media offices work :chuckle:

    What is done is done, but we can smear the name of that unprofessional writer. He's a freelance and he depends on his name. Sometimes having lots of clicks doesn't pay off in media (although it's becoming the trend). 

    I hope it works.

    I expressed my disappointment and said that they could have hired Piers Morgan to write the similar review. 

    Hiring someone who has personal issues with Madonna makes them look unprofessional. 

    Pitchfork (s)hit-job review

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    Just now, karbatal said:

    I've sent an email too and another message through Instagram.

    Do not contact that loser at any account, people. He's an attention seeker and he was looking precisely this. Writing our concern that the standards for Pitchwork were not respected in this review and that we love their work and we don't understand how that lack of professionalism was admited is the way! 

     

    I addressed the issue to Pitchfork, but I think they wanted to have that review. 

    There is a narrative how Madonna is" inarticulate".

    Pitchfork (s)hit-job review

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    This is his Confessions review:

    https://fourfour.typepad.com/fourfour/2005/11/the_queen_is_hy.html

     

    I like dick, but I don't like Madonna and that makes me feel sovery very very very very very very very alone.

    FOD might as well be changed to FOM for all the gay love Madonna receives for just showing up (which is all she does on the beyond-dull Confessions on a Dance Floor, a record so wooden it might as well contain the confessions of a dance floor, but more on that in a sec). What bothers me is not the acceptance, but the seeming blindness of many of the above-linked reviews and reports that comes with the acceptance: they lavish praise without bothering to explain why (the worst culprit is the yeah-yeah-yeah-whatever-of-course-of-course 'tude of the Queerty link -- so much for "useful information" and not feeding into stereotypes). To a large chunk of mostly white, mostly well-off, mostly youngish, mostly tech-savvy gay men, Madonna is great, duh, except for when she's absolutely unbearable (and many a homo still will defend American Life, a record so confused and ultimately stupid that it couldn't even manage to be lucidly hypocritical). The gay default musical taste is Madonna. She is the fail-safe choice, the aural equivalent of shopping at the Gap.

    While there, keep in mind that on Wednesdays, we wear pink.

    As someone who loves pop music, I can't exclude myself from those who have appreciated Madonna's output. Before 1996's Evita, in fact, I was a huge fan, but then, I was also a teenager. What eventually repelled me was her noxious mixture of triteness and arrogance, two things I wasn't equipped to take issue with or even be aware of at such a young age. When both came to a point most clearly ("I wanted to put a face on it," she said of Ray of Light's take on electronic music, as though people like Donna Summer, Bernard Sumner and Björk never existed or made videos or were somewhat iconic themselves), I'd had enough. What was liking her worth, anyway? She can't really sing (though it's reasonable that you could like her voice the way you like your culinarily untrained mother's cooking). She can't write. She's savvy and sometimes quick-witted, but rarely does she exhibit the kind of intellect she'd love for us to believe that she possesses. I don't care about dancing or mysticism or flashes of contrived modesty. Yes, she supports the gay community, and has forever, but must that come with the cost of punishment through having to endure babble? Despite her practical reservation on at least one rung of the gay gene's helix, Madonna has very little to offer me (in fact, her music that I still enjoy -- mostly that of her debut album, before she created her know-it-all/know-nothing persona -- I enjoy despiteher).

    The feminist in me applauds Madonna and recognizes her boldness as a pioneer in the mainstream discourse of women's sexuality; the fag in me turns up my nose at the bait she's dangling in front of me (oooh, dance music!). Not that the package is so attractive, anyway -- Confessions on a Dance Floor thumps and thumps but fails to blow the roof off this sucker with its maudlin, clanking and mushy production and default mode of tunelessness (Stuart Price, whose participation had me interested in this album in the first place, bows under the weight of Madonna's whip, no doubt). The notion that Madonna should do anything but turn out mindless dance music is absurd -- I mean, really, these are her confessions? In her lyrics, my friend Sal Cinquemani hears "cliches [turned] into pop slogans," but what I hear is someone who has virtually nothing to say, whose dry, somnambulist delivery (once the charisma-filled redemption to her technical shortcomings) bespeaks motions that are just being gone through because it's been two and a half years and it's time to make a new record. I hear a supposedly intelligent woman who, without a trace of irony, will pepper her lyrics with: "Love at first sight"; "You're not half the man you think you are"; "Save you words because you've gone too far"; "At the point of no return"; "Hearts that intertwine"; "I'm going down my own road"; "The only thing you can depend on is your family." I hear someone butchering the English language just so we can hear her voice.

    That isn't generosity, you know.

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