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  1. Good interview, but I don't agree with her that men never get shit for being openly sexual after a certain age. If a man in his fifties or sixties is dating a woman in her twenties, he's treated like some evil predator who is abusing a young girl. "Creepy" is the word I hear being used an awful lot to describe older men who are openly sexual.

    True, women do get it a lot worse and people are more vocal then, but to say men don't get it at all just isn't true.

    You have a point, but it's very different. For a woman to be denigrated for her sexuality as an older woman is for her entire self to be disparaged. A man will be called creepy, and then revered. In the minds of critics and the public, the "creepy", "leering", "predatory" sexuality of older male celebrities, Richard Branson, Mick Jagger, George Clooney, is detached from their professional lives. When one article mentions the impropriety of Iggy Pop, he can then appear at a performance and the critiques will not even mention the former. When Madonna dates a 26 year old, it is incorporated into any criticism, in any small way (she appeared with x, x danced with her, so and so was not present).

  2. Jesus I have rewatched the LFL performances for the first time and it is amazing! She's got the circle-strut thing down now! But Kiley Dean needs to be sacked. She isn't a bad singer per se, but she cannot harmonise with M and just makes it sound like everyone is off key.

    In other news Aya & Bambi need to be canonised, they have so stepped it all up, I've watched lots of their videos and they're doing really interesting things with M, going faster, working with different rhythms in the music. :dramatic: :dramatic:

  3. Well put! I personally don't feel that Madonna swearing or talking about cunnilingus is 'rebellious' or 'cool'. I personally don't like vulgar songs. It's like been there done that M, please move on. I loved Erotica (song) and JML because they were sonically interesting and arty but crude references like in Where Life Begins, I just think it's beneath her. I define her 'rebelliousness' as when she has something interesting to say or an interesting angle at viewing something, not when she says a rude word because quite frankly anyone can do that it doesn't require talent.

    It's certainly not cool, but it is rebellious. I think the thing to remember though is that the song in itself is not rebellious, it's that it's packaged in this way, performed by a fifty six year old woman who many thought got famous for being a slut, and surrounded by tracks about love and ambition. It's like looking at a painting and saying, I don't think those brushstrokes or that colour is particularly interesting it was done here, when you have to step back and look at the whole thing to see the full effect.

    In this way, I find the religion-baiting songs more been there done that, because it's not a boundary to push, it's just an allusion to her past.

  4. Gorgeous song! The music and sounds are really fresh and new. I love the people singing and the oriental instruments, it feels like we're in a road trip in the middle of Asia with M...

    But I must admit I don't understand a thing of what she says in the verses, I'm totally lost... Usually I have no problem understanding the lyrics but the first time I heard Body Shop I thought she was singing the verses in another language and I don't even know why :lmao:

    Quite a bit is technical car related terminology, but she also has such an odd, and really lovely, cadence on this track

    thtuck to tha theat

    owh badi heat

    whawiya do

    witholla tha' ?

  5. I love it to bits, it's one of my favourite songs on the album, but it doesn't belong on the album... if that makes sense. For an album with such oblique references, to have a big long playful extended metaphor feels out of place, as does the music. But it is a stunning song.

  6. I have been listening all day and this song is just doing nothing for me! I want to like it, I'm trying. All of you love it so much. What am I missing?

    I don't even know how it goes...

    I much prefer Joan of Arc, HeartBreakCity and Ghosttown.

    I'm with you on this one Carly, it feels very theatrical, quite put on, which when you put it next to the other tracks you listed just makes it feel hollow. JOA, HBC and Ghosttown are all incredibly personal, Messiah feels like a character.

  7. I would call Madonna's "pop" output lightweight. Songs like 4 Minutes, Holiday, Into the Groove, Music etc.

    However:

    1: A lot of Madonna's output, the majority probably, I would call transcendent pop, they're songs that, if performed by other artists, wouldn't be pop, that she makes pop because

    2: Madonna herself is the definition of heavyweight pop. She is the pop icon. She moves pop culture to places it wouldn't be otherwise, she brings serious issues to light, emotional issues to the fore, visual art, film, dancing, photography, songwriting, performance. In all those respects she is the opposite of lightweight

  8. Love that! I just finally watched it again since the live broadcast, and in big HD its now clear she is pretty quick to get back into it and smiling and seemingly having fun with the rest of the performance (even though probably with some pain).

    the two female dancers are amazing, hope she keeps them for the tour.

    the is so shaken in the first verse, but she totally brings it back in the second, and by the prechorus, where she does I'M GONNA CARRY ON at 2:48 you can see she's almost singing it to herself it's incredible.

    Does anyone know if Aya and Bambi were at Jonathon Ross?

  9. RB19 the reception area for press was so full that they started to tell journalists to just go through the main entrance. It's 97% press!!!!!

    Jesus Chelle it sounds like a shitshow I'm so sorry. And MarkM and Debord and anyone else who was shunted. It was such a horrible day for it as well.

    But her comments sound brilliant from that mirror article, and Ghosttown!! Can't wait two weeks for this.

  10. https://www.facebook.com/TheSimpsonsArt/photos/a.165848826807082.38519.165754846816480/850316465026978/?type=1&theater

    chris (simpson's artist) on facebook has weighed in :rotfl:

    "we are all praying for you madonna and i hope that you will make a full recovery and you will be back on stage wafting your cape around and slapping your big beige legs together really soon. Chris (Simpsons artist) xox"

    1534906_850316465026978_8843528451502401

    MADONNA AND HER DANCERS HAD TO EAT THE CAPE TO KILL IT :dead:

    the cape hated Madonna and he wanted her dead!!

    I love Chris Simpsons Artist

  11. I have been thinking about this all day it has affected me so much. But I keep looking back to the photos from the end of the performance, she looks so strong, so defiant and so happy all at the same time, it's so Madonna, and so Rebel Heart.

    I mean it's still really shocking because although we know she can be vulnerable (so many of her songs come to mind), she doesn't let that show as vulnerability. Even on MDNA, the Like a Virgin performance in Berlin where she cried all the way through, that was a very theatrical vulnerability. Here it was so human. But it's amazing and it's everything I love, and I think we all, and the world at large, loves so much about her.

    And also! I really hope she doesn't hold their failed assassination attempt against Aya Sato and Bambi because they are unbelievable. I'm praying we'll get them on the tour.

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