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    Borderline or Lucky Star which one came first ?

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

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    I'm confused. I've always thought Lucky star was the last single to be released from the first album due to Borderline being a huge hit and against Madonna's will because she wanted to release Like a virgin.

    Now i'm reading that Lucky Star was released first. Wikipedia, Discogs....they all put Lucky Star before Borderline. On Discogs is even worst since it seems like it was released under various covers in the US and UK. Then there's the special 12" with Borderline & Lucky Star Jellybean remixes.

    I was sure the video for Lucky star was shot after the one for Bordeline.

    Can somebody please clear this up for me ? Thanks.

    Oh and speaking of that 12" of Borderline/Lucky Star how come they green lighted a picture on the cover where she looks like she has a lazy eye (the left one in the shadow)?

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    When the GP Say Madonna is a Singles Artist...

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

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    Madonna is public property, she's beyond being a singer so anyone who never bought a record or never listens to music has an opinion on Madonna because she's like the weather, everyone is talking about it but very few are meteorologists and some truly believe satellites fuck up the weather. :)

    People say what they hear other peole say to feel like they belong and to not show they don't know. Ask them about a more obscure artist.

    NYC Sept. 19

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    OMG she aknowledged Sean Penn being there at Madison sq.

    My ex husband was at my show at Madison sq garden, he was there 30 years ago too and actualy he was mad at me for wearing a revealing outfit...this week after my show he wrote me a letter telling me he finally admired my art and this is what sums up marriage for me....30 fucking years later.

    So... Sean Penn

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

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    I always thought it was about Annette Bening and Warren Beatty.

    I think it's both since Stephen Ira the wonderful trans son of Warren & Annette is born in january of 1992 while Dylan is born in april of 1991. I remember her saying that every man had a baby after they left her or something.

    So... Sean Penn

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

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    It was a special moment, but I reckon it's merely that and nothing more.

    :lol: @ Dylan checking out her dad's reactions during True Blue: https://instagram.com/p/7wfdy4As0j/

    Us Weekly reports that Sean introduced Dylan to M, after the show. http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/sean-penn-introduces-daughter-dylan-madonna-after-nyc-concert-2015189

    "Here she comes, little miss thinks she can have his child[/size]

    Well anybody can do it"[/size]

    Apparently written as a dig to Robin Wright when she was pregnant with Dylan...

    Next album

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    Once again it's not about the sound per say that i did this thread but about her voice and the way it has been processed on the last 3 albums by Demo Castillon, pushing it to a higher pitch to make her sound youthful when her voice au naturel is richer, soulful, seductive and has real soothing qualities. She should tap more into her lower register on her next album. As for the sound of it, well she can pull a dance track too with that voice.

    "Unlike some engineers, Demo Castellon is happy to admit to using pitch correction on Madonna's vocal on '4 Minutes', yet in the same breath, Castellon declares himself a strong opponent of vocal tuning. So what's going on? "I pride myself on rarely using tuning," states Castellon. "I fight tooth and nail against doing it. I can make anyone sound like whoever, even Frank Sinatra, but I think that it is cheating to tune vocals. Some people do lots of tuning, and I'm cool with that, but it's not the way I like to work. We pride ourselves on the way we do things. When you work with us, we have high expectations. We're not going to sit there and just let you get by. If you're a singer, you should be able to sing, and if you can't, you should not be singing. And Madonna doesn't need tuning. I'm blessed that I get to work with the best in the industry. It makes my job a lot easier.
    "Madonna and Justin can sing in the pocket, whereas many singers these days don't even know what the pocket is. In the '4 Minutes' session there was some tuning on Madonna's vocals and on Justin's vocals, not because they were singing out of tune, but because Timbaland had a vision for how the track was supposed to sound. We used Auto-Tune or Melodyne because we wanted a certain seamless flow between the two singers. We were being really perfectionist about this, and decided to fix a few notes. In a couple of cases one singer dropped slightly under a note on one word and the other may have been a little over, and we wanted all the notes to flow together, and so they were tuned. Little things like this add their own style. Today I could not tell you where it is, because I don't know, and I would not be able to hear it. One of my engineers did the tuning.
    "A lot of people will make singers and musicians do endless takes and then they'll comp and fix things. We don't work that way. We're much more linear. Of course there's comping going on, but it's being done while we record. Usually we do a take, and we may punch in a word or clean up a syllable, but after that we move on. If tuning is done at all, it happens just before I start mixing, and it'll be done by one of my guys."

    Blaming the assistant....

    In living for love for instance, in the final track her voice is thin almost metallic in some parts but when you listen to the raw vocal takes (thanks to the leaks) her voice is stronger, richer and more soulful.

    The difference is striking on the second verse (i could get caught up in bitterness)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-acghWQDpQ0


    I can't get over Rebel Heart, i think it is a cohesive album but it's just that there are too many tracks on it (not counting the unreleased ones that leaked) and each cancels the other one. I did not pay attention to Messiah at first thinking it was a throaway album track but when i paid attention to it, it's a stunning track with beautiful vocals, lyrics and orchestration that could have been THE standout track on any other album. That is how good the material is.

    Mirwais interview around Music release

    Contrasting with the chopped and mangled sound of "Impressive Instant" is "I Deserve It," a track dominated instrumentally by nothing more than Mirwais strumming an acoustic guitar. "To me, the most experimental thing I did on the album was on 'I Deserve It': There's no reverb on that track. Spike did a great job recording it with an old German mic from the '30s. We added compression, but we didn't need anything else.
    "That was a new thing for Madonna. She usually likes to track with a lot of reverb and delay. But that way, I can't check the tuning of the voice. I always listen to the vocal track without effects. The first time she listened to herself without effects, she was scared of it, and she asked me to put the reverb back on. But then one time I was checking the track without effects and she listened, too -- and she loved it. For me, it's the most important thing that we did to her voice on the album: to leave it naked.
    "It was her idea to keep it that way. The mix on this track is very close to the first mix we did on the first day. She wanted me to keep it very simple. I wanted to produce it a little bit more, to take it a little further, but she told me, 'Okay, let's stop here.' I like the difference between a track like 'Impressive Instant' with a lot of effects, and a track as simple as 'I Deserve It.' It makes for a very interesting album."

    (as for the sound of the album, she talked so much about James Blake during the interviews for the release of Rebel Heart and the Feist penned "limit to your love" that they seem like a natural choice)

    Next album

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

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    I agree that something stripped down would be nice. I doesn't have to be acoustic though. "Heaven" is beautiful. I do think she should do 10-12 songs maximum. Keep it simple. Every song should be either single-worthy or super-weird or personal. And I think she should stick to one or two producers, even if she has 15 writers per song.

    Yes i did not mean accoustic, but with her "real" voice, not processed to make her sound younger (if you read Demo Castellon interview from Keyboard where he explained how he reworked her voice on 4 minutes you know what i'm talking about). Her natural voice is so rich and soothing.

    Next album

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    I know, i know, i know it's very early and Rebel Heart is a great album that i listen to ALL the time since the first leaks in every incarnations of the songs and with the tour i'm listening to it again hardcore. But i have a wish, a very simple wish and that's for her next album to showcase her voice, unadorned, pure and unretouched just like we can hear it on "La vie en rose", "Between the bars" and many other accoustic tracks we heard sing beautifully through every tour (especially Reinvention...Mother and father, Lament) NO DEMO CASTILLOn whom has been recording her voice since Hard Candy on Celebration, MDNA and Rebel Heart making it sound paper thin....Mirwais said that what stunned when he first worked with her is how good her voice is and he decided to use her voice as it is (except on nobody's perfect of course)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGP0ubBLHZU

    Bring back Mark Stent again

    NYC Sept. 17

    in ARCHIVE - Madonna

    Posted

    I'm friends with David on Facebook and even though I don't know him in person, I am crying tears of joy for him right now. How incredible. It's beyond a dream come true. Most of us dream of just being able to shake her hand but he danced on stage with her and got so much love and the fact that she is doing this on this tour just makes me lover her that much more!!

    There's so much love on this tour. Taylor Swift brings random celebrities on stage (the only two Madonna brought were collaborators : Diplo & Amy) but Madonna brings people on stage which is more relatable and less fake.

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