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it's quite early really... the remixes for GMAYL hasn't even officially hit the stores yet... what's the use of releasing remixes if attention to it will just be siphoned...
Yeah, but waiting for the original planned roll-out of the previous single and not rush-releasing a new single is what WB would have done. They paid for the remixes, so they might as well release them, right? That doesn't mean they're not preparing to launch the new single at the same time. They've only got one month left to maintain the buzz for the album release, so their strategy is probably to throw as much shit against the wall as possible.
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Regarding this "buzz single" business, they do exist, and it is indeed done, but GMAYL was not an example of it. Buzz singles typically aren't serviced to radio with official add dates like GMAYL, and they certainly aren't promoted via press release as the "first single." Sometimes they have videos, but usually they don't. And if they do, they're not previewed on American Idol. Now, if Interscope wants to pretend that it was just a "buzz single," that's a different story. Labels have tried to pull that before. Just because a song underperforms doesn't make it a buzz single!
And Interscope does operate differently than WB. This will be the first instance that M has a second single (in which the lead single wasn't a soundtrack cut) out in advance of the album in her career. And it's not like she hasn't head lead singles that peaked quickly- "Erotica" certainly didn't perform like the lead singles that preceded it, losing its chart bullet in just its third week on the Hot 100. It was a shocker for that time when it dropped from No. 3 to 5 and never regained its footing.
If I'm recalling correctly (I was only 13 at the time), radio started playing DAD before or around the time the album dropped, didn't they? I remember hearing that "Bad Girl" was planned as the second single, but when radio abandoned "Erotica" and started playing DAD, WB obliged. I actually think that's partly WHY "Erotica" dropped so fast. Radio wanted to play a different song.
On a side note, I tried to look this up on http://themadonnabbarchives.com, which has always been very useful but the domain wasn't renewed and now it's no longer there. I think a user on AbsMad runs it? It's a shame since it was great week-by-week chart info.
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I think 300K is possible, but it's more likely to be less. HC sold 280K its first week and that had a huge hit supporting it.
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If anything it proves that Madonna's got a strong promotional team behind her now, doing the rush-release thing - becuz let's face it, when she was with WBR, they were happy to sit back and do nothing. Remember when Hung Up fizzled and they waited like 2 months to put Sorry out?
Of course, Hung Up was a huge, huge hit so it didn't matter, but it only did "respectable" in the USA, and I bet you radio/iTunes/wahtever would have given her a decent chance had they simply been more aggressive in putting a 2nd single out. And look what they did with Give It 2 Me - not only did they wait forever AGAIN, but that song was such a SHIT second single. Hello, BEAT GOES ON? I mean if Madonna is only gonna score hits with Justina Twinkerlake and Timberland Shoes, may as well have put out the song where she features Kanyego East.I honestly think the folks at WB still thought it was 1993. They did this even during AL. They acted like the flop singles were still riding high on the charts and they had to wait for it to die down before they could release a new single. Three or four months between singles is ridiculous even when they're hits. With HU I feel like they were waiting for it to die down everywhere else because they couldn't rush release "Sorry" in the U.S. (with a video) without it getting attention in Europe and detracting from HU. But yeah, a hot mess.
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^ Careful what you say.
I'm glad they're on top of things. I just hope that a) it's good, and b) they service it to radio right away and that the video is ready to go before the album drops.
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I have no idea what that was, I didn't see the thread but why is everyone up in arms about the 1 million comment? I mean... you know. HC barely went gold and that was with a huge first single. It's not negativity, it's just... the truth?
That's all I was saying. I suppose the LOL emoticon made it look like I was gloating that she won't sell 1M, but it's genuinely hilarious to me that this songwriter/producer dude thinks Madonna can sell 1M in one week in 2012. It's just out of touch with reality. I truly wish Madonna could sell those numbers. And I wish GMAYL was a huge smash. And I wish I liked GMAYL. I just assumed that my presence here made those things obvious by default!
P.S. Tonight: That Gaga gif is hilarious. I saw it last time you (or someone else) posted it.
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71 POSTS about lady Fucking Gaga vs Madonna. Can someone ban this little silly monster?
71 posts? Really? You guys are killing me. None of my posts were pitting Gaga vs. Madonna. You only see what your eyes want to see. I was explaining my belief that Gaga's decline in popularity is because she's attempting to tackle hot button issues the way Madonna did in the early '90s when HER popularity started to decline. What is wrong with you people?
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Is he? Looks like a monster to me. Didn't they planned to send their army here?
Really dude? You're the one who said "Finally some sense" when I posted about GMAYL. And someone else (maybe you? maybe someone else?) said I was their favorite poster.
Consider this your final warning. I don't care if you're a Madonna stan or a Lady Gaga mole, you're doing yourself no favors right now. Album release times are always stressful because the biggest trolls come out of the woodwork to play. But everyone's got their eyes peeled. One more post that annoys me and you'll have to go back to Gagadaily for your daily entertainment.
Excuse me? Final warning? When was there a first warning? And for what? Weren't you taking part in the discussion about Gaga? Judging from your most recent post in that thread (which I finally read just now because I'd moved on days ago), it was perfectly civil and ended with mutual respect. Someone else brought Gaga up, and anyone who has a brain and eyes and has read my posts can clearly see that I was attempting to have an intelligent conversation about why she's fading in popularity. I understand that people felt like it was too much of a tangent, but that conversation ended four days ago. So what's the problem? Jean Baptiste or whatever his name is implied that Madonna could sell 1M in her first week. That's hilarious. Everyone here knows it. I responded as such. It has nothing to do with Lady Gaga. I happen to be a longtime fan, but I'm no sycophant and if I don't like something, like GMAYL, I'll say it. If that's not allowed here, I'll leave. Why ban someone when you can just gang up on them and make them not want to come back?
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She's unlikely to sell 1M by the end of the year.
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I'm not hearing similarities to GT at all. Is it just me?
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blarg.
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While I don't think ROL is M's best work lyrically, even the "fun" tracks are introspective and far more sophisticated than what we've heard from this album so far. Even "Candy Perfume Girl" had a mystique to it.
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It's really, really difficult to have a real conversation about Lady Gaga when almost everyone in the room hates her and is incapable of being objective. You guys are so blinded by your distaste for her that you can't see past the Madonna comparisons to what I'm actually saying. I do think part of it has to do with exposure, and I also think the "quality" of the music matters. I happen to like BTW a lot, but I can see how it wouldn't resonate on pop radio like her past hits. These are all factors.
XXL and 12:51: Madonna appealed to the gays from the start too. But "Just Dance," etc. had broad appeal. A song about trannys and lesbians and videos with men in tights and heels are taking it to a level where it's inherently going to alienate more casual fans who are just listening for the pop songs and the fun costumes. She crossed a line. Nobody's talking about whether the controversies were "good" or not. You guys are confusing what I'm saying with me saying Gaga is as good or controversial as Madonna was. For the last time: That's not what I've been saying. Read what I'm actually saying! Kurt did!
Supernatural: You're confusing "stunts" or individual controversies (which Madonna has many of and Gaga has few) with an overall tone. Gaga's images have become more and more subversive, and more and more gay. That is one factor that is turning off Middle America. I'm not saying it's the only one, but it's one.
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Thank u for posting! Sounds like great news. I just wish they wouldn't compare it to LAP because that's just going to set people up for disappointment IMO. Let's face it, NOTHING she does will probably ever beat that....but I will gladly eat my words if this album does indeed end up being as good as LAP. Perhaps GMAYL is the "Cherish" of MDNA??
"Cherish" is far from my favorite Madonna single, and it's one of my least favorite tracks on LAP, but it's pure pop brilliance in comparison to GMAYL! GMAYL is more like "Jimmy Jimmy" or "Can't Stop."
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I just want Girls Gone Wild to turn into this ravetastic track which we heard outside her house last July. What happenend to itt? I hope it's still part of the song.
I don't remember that. Only GMAYL. I think production wise it sounds like it could do well on American radio, but those vocals and lyrics are just...a step back again. Too similar to "Revolver."
Actually, I'm more interested in the track that was playing at that dancer contest at Webster Hall last year. The song that played when she walked out...
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"Waiting for Tonight" is a good one. He also did "I'm a Slave 4 U," right? And "Bad Romance." Honestly, his stuff is decent, but he's not amazing and I think BR is overrated by everyone.
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Kurt, I totally respect what you're saying. And again, I do think what Madonna was going was leaps and bounds ahead/more controversial than what Gaga is doing, partly because of the time period and partly because it was just more sophisticated and "new." But I think what Gaga is doing falls into the same "brand" of provocation. She's obviously influenced by that period of Madonna's career and it shows. I'm not saying it's on the same level, just that I think part of her decline in popularity right now is because of it.
12:51, I'm not sure it's just because Gaga won't "go away." There are plenty of artists who have been as prolific and in your face (Rihanna, Beyonce, Mariah). Hell, she's only been around for four years. Mariah put out an album a year for a decade! I think overexposure definitely plays a part, but I think if she were still releasing songs like "Just Dance" or even "Bad Romance," she'd be doing better. (Not that she's doing bad - she sold the same amount of albums in 2011 that she did in 2010 and 2009, and BTW was the third biggest selling album of last year, and it included four Top 10 hits, one of which was #1 for six weeks.) But I truly believe that the "Gaga fatigue" is partly due to her pushing certain cultural buttons. When BTW came out, I saw loads of people on other boards saying that she was instantly going to shrink her fanbase because the song was so "gay." To keep things on topic, Madonna was always popular with the gays for obvious reasons (like Gaga), but it's when she really started mining that demographic (LAP, "Vogue," Erotica) that she became a gay "icon."
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I suppose it is. After all, she was recording "Justify My Love" around her birthday in 1990, so it is likely that "Rescue Me" was done around the same time (Aug-Sept).
And Shep, Junior and all those people were part of the same DJ/club scene as Deee-Lite.
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Lady Miss Kier is amazing now and then, shes allowed an opinion. LMK shes actually quite nice about M, this sounds like its had a negative spin put on it. (Lets be honest, they do sound similar even though I bet M has never heard of it).I love Lady Keir. I'm friends with her on Facebook and she's really cool. Maybe she's just sensitive because she thinks Madonna ripped her off in 1990. We don't know the truth about what happened. I love both of those songs though!
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^ The conversation started because someone said that you can't expect Madonna to be on top at this stage in her career, that even Gaga was started to fade. We went off on a slight tangent about WHY Gaga's popularity has started to fade - and it's 100% relevant to Madonna's career. If you think we should start a new thread about this specific tangent, that's fair, but at what point does someone decide to do that. I don't think anyone intended it to go on this long. It happens. It's a forum! (And it's not like the title of this thread makes much sense anyway!)
I know it comes across that I'm just trying to dispute everything you say "just because" but I swear I'm really not!! I just find it interesting that you have observed this extreme vitriol towards Gaga because I just don't see it with the general public or the media. I'm not saying there aren't people out there that despise her because of Judas or BTW because I'm sure there are plenty, but I have yet to meet anybody who doesn't like her for any other reason besides "she's weird".....and I don't think those people HATE her.
Anyways, again, the things you mention in a somewhat jestful way in this post regarding Madonna's "controversies".....extremely sexual, nude photos leaking, Moral Majority against her.....from what I can tell all of those things caused far more of a "ruckus" and divided people about Madonna pretty early on moreso than Gaga at this point. Yes, through TB she was MORE accepted by the general public....as witnessed by the BIG drop in sales from TB to LAP but she always walked that fine line and I think with burning crosses and black Jesus' (in 1989) she finally crossed it and from that point on the
factor from her sexual image turned into more vitriol because of what was perceived to be her beliefs at the time. I mean when I think of Madonna at the very peak of her provocation she had America in complete meltdown mode (somebody actually said this recently in here). I just don't see where Gaga's provocation comes anywhere near that at this point in her career. Again, I'm not disputing what you say, I believe you have encountered people that HATE her in the way Madonna was hated....I'm just trying to figure out why??
I think I'm just desensitized at this point because there is absolutely nothing offensive about Gaga to me. I can't even look through someone elses eyes and see how she's THAT offensive.....kooky yes....weirdo yes.....annoying yes.....but offensive enough to provoke the strong hatred Madonna provoked?? That's just crazy to me!!
Well, I don't think we disagree all that much. I just think we keep getting away from the point. I'm not trying to say that Gaga causing as much controversy, or that the media has bashed her as much as Madonna. Hell no. All I'm saying is that Gaga's popularity has leveled off partly because she's taking on less mainstream topics and imagery. It doesn't compare to the Justify My Love/Sex period. But above and beyond what Madonna was doing circa Who's That Girl! Automatically when you start exploring more arty things, you're going to lose some of your audience - and THAT was all this conversation started out as. If Adele started using hyper-religious imagery and homoerotic imagery, her sales will drop.
Regarding the Gaga hate, I think the hate toward her among some Madonna fans is obvious, so I'm guessing you see that. But I've also seen online and in person people who think Gaga is manipulative, calculated, fraudulent, trashy, and completely unoriginal. They absolutely despise her and think she represents the worst of pop music and that she's even the END of it. Silly. Maybe all those people are secret Madonna fans, but I'm pretty sure some of them also think the same of Madonna.
I think there are always going to be conservative/puritanical/religious people who will never like someone like Madonna and Gaga because of what they stand for. But in Madonna's case, I don't think the average American really had a strong opinion about her. They either liked her music or didn't. By the early '90s, though, I think many, many average people thought she was a "slut." I'm not sure they "hated" her. I don't think anyone was sitting there going "I hate her for her progressive, subversive ideas!" They just thought she was trashy and flashing her tits all over the place.
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Okay, let me clarify a couple of things. I'd love to go through a react specifically to what each person is saying, but I still haven't figured out how to quote one person, respond, and then quote the next all in one post.
I completely disagree with those of you who don't think Gaga provokes strong reactions from people. I mean, all you have to do is look around a Madonna forum. I know, most Madonna fans don't like Gaga because they DON'T think she's being original or truly provocative, but you have to understand that most of America thinks she's outlandish and weird, and while much of that has to do with her crazy outfits, a lot of it has to do with her music and her messages, including "Born This Way" and "Judas." I know people who hate Madonna that hate Gaga ten times more. I mean, the amount of vitriol that people have for Gaga really is only comparable to Madonna in the early '90s. I was young in the '80s, but I honestly don't believe that Madonna received the same amount of criticism and hate at that point in her career. Sure, she was sexual, had nude photos, etc. etc., and while the Moral Majority of the '80s didn't like her, the majority of Americans and the world loved her and her work. That's why she was so popular. Her popularity started to decline a bit when she started exploring truly subversive topics like religion and homosexuality.
Point being: WE here might not think what Gaga is doing is so provocative and controversial. And most other people probably don't either, but the reactions she's getting are MUCH closer to Madonna circa 1989-1993 than Madonna in the '80s.
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Because it's not 1998 anymore.
Fair enough, but that didn't stop her from working with Paul Oakenfold or William Orbit again. And what I meant is that I'm surprised she's never worked with them, just like I'm surprised Michel Gondry has never directed one of her videos.
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No, I was just responding to someone who said that Gaga is starting to decline and that at this stage (four years into her career) Madonna was still on "top." So what I'm saying is that Gaga is attempting to provoke and deal with controversial issues much sooner in her career than Madonna did, so you can't really compare Gaga circa 2012 with Madonna circa 1987. Madonna was provocative, but not quite to the same level yet. She evolved more naturally and slowly into the angry, rebellious button-pusher that we all (presumably) came to love.
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You're all taking what I'm saying too literally. Of course Gaga doesn't compare to Madonna. Yes, Madonna was more controversial. Yes, Madonna had better songs. Yes, Madonna's pussy smelled better. My POINT is that Gaga provokes people in a SIMILAR way. The POINT is that she's ATTEMPTING to do things that Madonna did much further into her career. What Madonna was doing/wearing/saying in 1987 wasn't that far out of the mainstream. She wore leotards with cone tipped bustiers and sang songs about being a virgin and keeping her baby. It wasn't until 1989 and the early '90s that she really started getting under people skin in a big way and which started to turn people off. Gaga is doing that much earlier, for similar and different reasons. It's just a comparison. I'm not saying they're twins. Madonna is superior in almost every way.
Xanthie, I'm 32 and am well aware of the Erotica/Sex period and what it was like to be a fan at that time.
And neutrocks, I didn't join this forum two days ago. I don't know what you're talking about. Even if I did, people are only allowed to join a forum if they like the current single by that artist? That's fucking retarded. I love Madonna, but GMAYL sucks. Deal with it.
MDNA Album Thread
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MA had the Timbaland sound that was still popular in 2008, but BGO had Kanye, so either one could have worked. Hell, BGO was getting airplay on dance radio without any promotion. Either way, though, the REAL issue was the timing. They waited way too long. And obviously released the wrong song.