Ai Papi Si.
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I'm not surprised the tour is selling slowly. She's being outrageous with her pricing - so much so that I'm not even going this year. I paid a nice $170 in 2006 for the seats she's charging $350 for now. Yeah right, like I'm gonna for that. lol
Ultimately there's a limit to how much you can rip people off and she rode that pretty well during the Confessions Tour. Right now, there's less buzz around her, her album isn't selling, and instead of keeping things the way they were A MERE TWO YEARS AGO, she jacks up the prices. So it's no surprise that this is slightly blowing up in her face. I'll buy your albums and watch your videos Madonna, but I'm not gonna go broke for you. Thanks for 2004 and 2006, but I don't think I'll be going to your tours anymore. Bai!
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Aside from the corset, the Reinvention tour had some of her worst costumes ever. That whole tour was kinda shitty actually. I thought Confessions was way better costume-wise and overall.
As for your question, we don't know the answer to either yet, but I'm sure Jamie will direct again.
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Reinvention: 1x in Miami
Confessions Tour: 2x in New York
I wish I had gone to Drowned World
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Oh god, imagine the fiercely heterosexual screams
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The POINT is that scalping tickets is an unfair and (in some places) illegal practice. No one should be making a profit of the concert except for M, Live Nation, and Ticketmaster in the first place. She could just have easily stood up to these sleazebags and forced a requirement of id checks at the venue, meaning that the ticket purchaser had to be one of the people attending the show. I mean Ticketmaster does that when tickets are lost in the mail. Yes, it would mean that everyone would have to go the box office to pick up their tickets, meaning long lines at day of show, but if people are warned in advance they would plan enough time and the fact that it would be a plan to eliminate scalping most people would cheer on.
Eliminating scalpers from the equation would mean that FANS would get better access to the best seats at the PRICE THEY WERE MEANT TO BE SOLD AT. I mean it's the die-hard fans and the scalpers who are the ones clogging up the phone lines and internet trying to get tickets on day one, so if it was just fans clamoring for tickets it's almost a guarantee that all the best seats would be booked up by those fans, meaning that M would have all the people who REALLY SUPPORT HER right in front of her.
But no, instead of trying to stop scalping and make it easier for her fans to get their hands on the best seats, she decides to go the opposite route and gets into bed with these greedy bastards so she can try to make even more money. Because let's remember here. M has already made money on those tickets that the scalpers are selling. She's making the designated money that any ticket has sold for to the general public. Now she just wants to make MORE on top of that.
And if she really wanted to "test the waters" to use the scalpers to see how much money she could really get for certain seats then she could just as easily have gone the auction route like Ticketmaster has been doing for plenty of recent concerts. Certain top seats are set aside and auctioned off, so basically the general public bids on them and THEY DECIDE how much those seats are worth, as opposed to scalpers who immediately mark seats up by 300% and price most fans right out of the market.
The other side of the scalper issue is that when they are unable to sell their tickets many seats wind up going empty. These are seats that COULD HAVE been sold at regular prices and bought by fans who could afford to save up $300-400 for a ticket but not $2000.
I mean it truly boggles the mind that people are defending her on this especially when other bands out there have been trying to fight the scalpers for years and have tried to develop strategies to outmaneuver them and make sure the FANS get the best tickets. I mean why would bands go to all that trouble to keep scalpers out if they didn't think what they were doing was a bad thing for fans and for the industry as a whole?????
This is exactly how I see this situation. For years I never really gave a shit about Madonna being a megalomaniac because I knew it was her thing and it was part of her mystique and status. But I think this realy pushes it. If she truly wanted to put on a good show for her fans, she would make sure the right people are getting their hands on her tickets. Instead she just takes the easy way out and looks at it from the angle of "well how can I take these guys down in a way that benefits me?" It just sounds like a cunt move to me and I'm not feeling it. Oh well.
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I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad. I've been insulted and trashed in this thread by several people, but I have not insulted anyone else. It's just interesting that a lot of people have now calmed down and are starting to think that maybe the deal isn't as evil as it first appeared to be (even if people still have serious issues with it). You yourself said that it doesn't sound as bad as it first appeared. I have always seen it this way, but that doesn't mean that I've deserved to be insulted. Check all of my posts - I don't resort to insults to make a point.
What is wrong with defending Madonna? If she did something I truly disagreed with, I would say so. She rarely does that as far as I'm concerned. Does this make me a loon? According to an awful lot of people, yes. I'm attacked because I agree with Madonna. That's fine, but it's also not a very nice feeling. As for the other (unrelated) thread that you're referring to, my main point is that Madonna doesn't *owe* Australia a tour, but Australia absolutely and without question *deserves* one. I'm as keen as everyone else to know why she's yet to announce a tour here, but that's irrelevant to this discussion
Well, there isn't technically wrong with defending Madonna, I just think you kind of go overboard. I really do wonder what it would take for you to be like "god, what a bitch." She's pulled moves like this before, but I think it's gotten to the point where she just looks like a greedy hag. You, Glittercandy, Lori, and myself have all gone back and forth with each other in this thread and from Lori's side we've gotten a totally different perspective on the situation, even if we're still pretty turned off by Madonna's scheming. Which I think we have a total right to be. All you've done is search high and low for ways to spin this into a situation we as fans should be totally fine with, and you really shouldn't bother. There's ways to make it sound less insulting than New York Magazine made it sound, but there's no way to make Madonna sound like the altruistic fan-friendly legend that we all know she isn't. I've defended Madonna on a whole array of topics and truly believe that she's done a lot of positive things, not least of which is her work in Africa, but I hate that she can be shitty to her fans sometimes. This stubhub move is kind of a metaphorical middle finger to me. It shows me that she doesn't care that a lot of us are spending hundereds to see her - instead she's trying to solve the problem by aligning herself with the middleman and being a chess player just for the sake of the extra cash. I dislike that about her and wish she would have chosen to solve this problem in a different way.
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Oh come on, no need to be dramatic. Yeah, at first many of us were angry but can you blame us? Both of the articles that came out of New York painted an ugly picture. It makes more sense now, but I still stand by my opinion that this was a stupid move. It rubs me the wrong way as a fan ultimately, and that's not a good thing. It just makes me feel like this entire venture is just an opportunity for her to rake in cash, rather than get out there and perform for the people that love her.
You always go on about being open minded Carta, but I think it's slightly hypocritical of you to say, because you never allow yourself to see that Madonna can be a bit of a bitch sometimes. I mean you're even defending her puzzling decision to not play for her Australian fans after all the support and success they've given her in the fifteen years she's avoided them. I don't think it's necessary or appropriate of you to be like "omg see, I was saying it all along" or "I guess everyone's a loon now, huh?" Even if you say it nicely. I love Madonna and will love her in spite of shitty moves like this, but I refuse to sit here and make excuses for her. So don't act like you've been vindicated since you're merely doing what you do all the time, and that's defend Madonna until you're blue in the face. I don't like being made to feel like I'm an asshole simply because I'm not thrilled with the bullshit that Madonna throws at her fans now and then.
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I guess we can all safely say now that this is not as nefarious as it looked in the beginning but it's still a shitty move in my opinion. I guess I was a fool for thinking she was a TAD more fan friendly than this. And I don't buy the whole argument of this being good because we'll be indirectly helping Madonna give back to charitable causes. I don't buy that for a second. I highly doubt this business arrangement was preceded by Madonna saying to Guy Oseary: "Ugh, Guy, I need more money. I need to give more to charity. Let's see if we can partner up with Stubhub so I can do this." This woman is worth hundereds of millions of dollars. She doesn't need extra money to help people. If she wants to help people she could do it while on the toilet if she wished. She already has the money and resources.
This is all just Madonna's way of making sure she's raking in a lot of cash while she tours - because let's face it, that's what her career is going to be now. Her recording contract is in the dust, and her albums are going to serve as mere promotional tours for her concerts. It's pretty obvious - I mean look at how unpreoccupied she is with promoting Hard Candy. She's not making tours to promote her music. She's making music to promote her tours.
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She had a RIGHT to make money off of her name. If it was me I wouls be pissed to if people were exploiting my brand or creation & not paying their due! It's no different than stealing a sample from a piece of music & then not paying the artist,and then saying as a fan well she already made that piece of music so she doesn't have the right to profit off it anymore. WTF. That is how I see. Anything that comes from her name needs to pay it's dues. Not to mentin the fact that some of this EXTRA money is going to go to CHARTITY since she is a generous donor. So really it is a move that benifits her & others in a respectful manner. Thats the point given that this isn't reallly going to effect most of the "fans" getting tickets.(THANK GOD THAT WAS FINALLY CLEARDED UP BY SANE PEOPLE HERE!)
Either you really don't understand hte point or you just react before you read. Probably both. I made it pretty clear that we all understand that this isn't going to affect us as ticket buyers. What it does reinforce however, is that Madonna would rather align herself with awkward business tactics like this rather than taking the high road and simply becoming more in control of how her show is sold and distributed. She chose not to do that. Instead it becomes an opportunity to simply rake in more money. It's not like she'd be taking huge losses if this was all business as usual. But because she's chosen this route, she'll be making more money than ever and it just looks greedy and tacky. I think it's cheap and dumb of her and I'm not gonna sit here and say that I support it because I don't. End of story.
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What really confuses me is why Madonna would want to do this in the first place. Yeah, I get the semantics of the whole thing, but it still seems like such a cash-cow move. I think it's been made pretty clear that it's not going to really affect us as fans. Fine. I don't think that's what's bothering all the people in this thread anymore. It's still irritating that Madonna would so brazenly be like "oh, my tickets are being marked up over here...that's not right, give me a piece of that." It's just extra money for her and considering that some of us in here could be paying upwards of $400 just to see this woman without squinting, we can't help but feel like it's our money that she loves, not our dedication.
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The rock n roll bands are more about the fans anyway, not the stones but Madonna is just GREEDY!!
It is. Like I said in response to Lori's post, I guess the intention is to just make it so that scalpers are obsolete, so that Madonna can profit "fairly." Which, no matter how you spin it, is excessive and greedy. Especially considering how much money Madonna makes when she tours. I think it's pretty irritating. But I guess it'll just be another hard pill to swallow in the daily spin of Madonna fandom.
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Nine inch Cocks are not following that path also.
I bought tickets for Nine Inch Nails hours ago actually. Trent wanted to purposefully bypass the scalper syndrome by doing presales on his own website and doing ID'd tickets. It appears like it worked well (despite a bunch of glitches) and I was really happy he did that. He's been very much about his fans in this avenue, but he's obviously not a mammoth touring act. Madonna is a machine and Madonna wants dough. Simple as. I guess it's up to every fan to take it or leave it.
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Lori your post musta been on the last page so I can't quote it (too lazy), I was gonna say that it's the first one that's made total sense so far. I hope that's what the intention is ultimately, for this business to prosper in that manner, which still might be slimeball on paper but ultimately fair because the artist will be the only person netting profits on tickets. I guess that's a good way to look at it - but it's still excessive and greedy. lol
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Why bother listing them publicly in the first place, then? Why not do a deal with another scalper offline?
All it would take would be for one person to fork out $2300 to cover all costs, then get 46 of their friends to give them $50 each and the scalpers are thwarted. Madonna then gets a cut and the scalpers dip out (the ones who would have bought the 47 tickets).
I'd love to find a real world example of someone who would not only do this, but would find (and know) 47 people who would all enthusiastically be like "oh ma gaw, let me get out mah checkbook!"
Face it. None of us know what is going on. All we know is that Madonna's business moves are getting more and more like that of someone in the sunset of their career and if she's gonna become a Rolling Stones-ish touring act then I'm really not prepared to shell out all that money and energy to see Madonna shake her ass in a stadium! And this partnership with Stubhub just kills my motivation even more. It's like it's all about the bread with her now. I've seen the woman 3 times on tour and I'd consider them by far the most cherished memories for me as a fan. But this time I just can't help but feel like Madonna would rather have my money than my mere presence at her big kaboom of a concert. Anyway. I'll wait for Guy or Liz to tell us what's up.
I didnt know she stored her money inside Mariah Carey!?That's Missy Piggy to you!
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A scalper will buy them and sell them for a massive profit.
Surely there are 47 people in NYC on this list - perfect excuse for a party - 47 people get into the concert for the price of about 7 people.
Don't you understand? This is a website by scalpers for scalpers. This particular deal will most likely sell to a another scalper who will then sell all 47 of those tickets for varying price. Who knows how those 47 tickets got into the original seller's hands in the first place. I can assure that hes probably not taking a loss on them despite what it looks like. This is the business Madonna is sticking her nose into.
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Yes, to receive profit from them....not to provide them with tickets.
Explain the Tina Turner tickets on sale, please
Seriously Carta, I don't think you're an asshole or anything, but give me a break. Madonna signing a contract with a highclass scalper website is just kind of tacky no matter how you spin it. Would you defend Madonna for making money off the guys on Ebay? It's the same thing. She's just looking for new ways to make sure everyone is putting money into her piggy bank and it just looks and sounds bizzare. Period.
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Floor 2, Row D, MSG, opening night in NYC, 47 tickets available for the exorbitant price of....
$43. Yes. Four three.
Yes, Stubhub is truly a ripoff....!
I wonder how many of you will be racing to grab one of those seats now?!
Right. Like someone really has a use for buying 47 fucking seats.
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As a career move, this is a fast-track way to becoming a true oldies act like the Rolling Stones.
She really is the new Mick Jagger. Oh well, at least she's in semi good company.
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Everything is the same as it was last time for the CT. Tickets go on sale, as per usual, the re-sale outlets buy tickets just like everyone else does, as per usual, then regular fans who couldn't get great tickets through Ticketmaster look at stubub.com and decide if they're prepared to pay extra for good seats, as per usual. The difference this time is that instead of the re-sellers making a heap of money on the tickets, Madonna gets some of that money. There's no special deal for stubhub to get all the great tickets so that fans are forced to use them - nothing has changed as far as buying tickets for concerts is concerned (everyone still has to try their luck through Ticketmaster or in the pre-sales). What *has* changed, though, is that Madonna earns some of the money that she would have lost normally through sales at such sites.
As someone who has actually used stubhub in the past, I'm actually glad that some of the extra money I'm prepared to pay for a great ticket will go back to Madonna. Fans are going to use those sites anyway, so why shouldn't Madonna and other artists see some of the profit? If someone has a rare Madonna record up for sale for a huge amount of money, if someone's prepared to pay that amount, would it be wrong for Madonna to see some of that profit? It's all about supply and demand.
I'd be upset if all of the best tickets were allocated to stubhub, but that's not the way the deal's going to work. The industry would collapse in a heap it it were.
Take a look at stubhub and explain to me how some of these to die for seats ended up on that website weeks before the presale. That makes no sense. The site evidently has thousands up for sale and those are seats that should have been allocated to Ticketmaster so one of US could have bought it fair and square.
All this economical bullshit aside, the woman was raking in the cash just fine in 2006 when she wasn't doing this monkey business. This Live Nation deal is bringing some new stuff to the table, and apparently a partnership with Stubhub is part of it. I can't imagine that this includes some sort of exclusive ticket deal where she lets some of her tickets get handed off to stubhub before they even officially go onsale, of course allowing htem to be marked up to four times their actual value. Shady stuff. And yeah sure if I get proven wrong with hard facts or some quote from the horses mouth, then good, I don't wanna think of Madonna as a bitch who saps her fans. But it's sure looking like it. And everything you said just sounds sugarcoated and none of what we've read or seen points to something as altruistic as that. God, even if it WAS exactly like you said, Madonna shouldn't need to be making all this money off of some cheap business like this. That analogy you used for rare Madonna collectibles was ridiculous. Sure, she could do it if she wanted. It doesn't make it any less outrageous or money hungry. I still more or less think Madonna is worth the bank-breaking, but if this is how she's going to let her business run, allowing her BEST SEATS to sit on some stupid scalper site so that one of her fans forks over the extra bank (regardless of how much it is), then I'm not gonna sit here and defend her for it.
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I love how people think that the only option for them is to pay these prices when ticketmaster & other outlets haven't even but them on sale yet.
Talk about totally missing the point. Anyone who is SMART on this forum won't be paying any of those outrageous prices. She's going out of her way to make even more gobs of money than she already would if she toured like normal, and she's joining forces with the assholes who keep people like us from getting hte seats we want when they go onsale. And she's making money off of all their undeserved profit too. Re-read the thread if you don't understand why people are pissed with this woman.
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If people don't wanna pay thousands of dollars for Madonna they won't. Personally I just have a problem with her intentionally going to a business like stubhub, giving them a handful of great seats before even her FANCLUB PRESALE starts, and running some of them at over 1,000 a pop. Ridiculous. She's turning into a megalomaniac and she's ripping off her fans majorly. And I don't think it's gonna work. And don't give me this business bullshit. Anyone with a brain could come up with an idea like this, making money off the guys who rip off your fans. It's not savvy. It's slimeball.It's not bullshit, it's a true story.
If you go to stubhub and look at the shows that she starts in the early part of her tour its obvious that she or her people have given stubhub or the scalpers a large portion of the best seats, its as simple as that. How else would they get their hands on the best seats in the house before even pre-sale?YUCK.
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I think it's genius! GREAT buisness move. If you don't want to pay to see her than don't! OTHERS WILL! If the demand is there she can afford to loss of few pissy fans. Save up some more or just get a seat that is 200 dollars or even 55! NO ONE IS MAKING YOU BUY FRONT ROW TICKETS! Enter a fan contest or join ICON! These same "hardcore" fans that are bitching probably don't even have ICON access which gives her fans GREAT CHANCES OF GETTING GREAT TIX! GET OVER IT!
Bullshit. All you're saying is that we can get our tickets elsewhere. Of course we can. I knew people were gonna spin this into something like "well she should be making the money off of them anyway!" No. Basically she's saying that if people are gonna make profits out of selling her tickets at a higher price to desperate fans, then she's game for joining forces with them. Stupid and crazy.
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Its on her official site::
www.stubhub.com: StubHub is the official fan-to-fan ticket marketplace for Madonna's North American Tour 2008.* StubHub is the world's largest ticket marketplace enabling fans to buy and sell tickets to a vast selection of nearly 30,000 sports, concert theatres and other live entertainment events. StubHub reinvented the ticket resale market in 2000 and continues to lead through innovation. The company's unique online marketplace, dedicated solely to tickets, provides all fans the choice to buy or sell their tickets in a safe, convenient and highly reliable environment. All transactions are processed and delivered via StubHub's patent-pending Fan Network (SM ticket delivery service, supported by seven-day toll free customer service at 1-866-STUBHUB and backed by an industry-first Fan Protect Guarantee. *Applicable for Sticky & Sweet shows in Canada & the U.S. (excluding Mexico)
Yuck. She's out of her mind.
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You know what the press and some fans are like:
MADONNA THE GREEDY BITCH CHARGETS INSANE PRICES. MADONNA STEALS FROM FANS. MADONNA USES PROFITS FROM GROSSLY OVERPRICED TOUR TO SET UP KABBALAH LAND. MADONNA CANT GET ENOUGH MONEY. MADONNA STEALING FROM PEOPLE WHO WILLINGLY PAY FOR TICKETS TO HER TOUR (AND THEN LOVE THE EXPERIENCE) AND BUYING DIAMOND AND PLATINUM CANE!!! MADONNA THE WHORE!!! JEEZ LOOK AT HER HANDS SHE SHOULD STEAL SOME MONEY AND GET HAND SURGERY THEN WE CAN CRITICISE HER FOR THAT TOO!!!
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Of course. But I see no reason for the fucking WALL STREET JOURNAL to run an outrageous story like this unless there was truth to it. The scope of the idea is just stupid and shitty no matter how its spinned. It's shocking really. We'll see.
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Oh yes you are getting ripped off. You may be able to afford it, but you're getting ripped off.
None of the New York shows have sold out and neither has Boston. Remember 2001? Those shows sold out in MINUTES. It's been DAYS for some of these shows. Sounds pretty fucking slow to me.