Ai Papi Si.
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Do you think Demure Donna will join Nikki in the bitterness club? I doubt it, but it's weird that she's just not gonna be on the tour at all.
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at AckoShitty news, but I'm more worried about this being reminscent of Justin Timberlake's terrible FutureSex/LoveShow tour which was helmed by Kevin Atunes as well. That was the worst show I've ever seen in my life. I started getting worried when Madonna took swigs of champagne between songs on this last promo tour (which sucked too), just like Justin did on his show
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You know what, you're right. This thread has gone on long enough. Everyone including myself has said what they needed to say, bitchfights and all. No need for it anymore - this section is already enough of a mess. Closed.
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Alright, guys that's enough. No need to get this shit closed. This thread probably should have been closed the moment it was made anyway...
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Not to mention, after seeing the list of the 25 best-selling albums of the year so far (U.S.), a list which she was already on after one week, it's hard to imagine why anyone is calling the album a flop. That should be the end of the story, period. Who knows why they keep going on and on and on and on about it ...
But people will always have their hang-ups when it comes to Madonna. Just look at the way everyone from Neil Diamond to Death Cab For Cutie gets heralded in the chart write-ups for having 100,000+ debuts, yet all they can say about M. is that she opened with less than Mariah Carey. WTF?
I guess. Honestly I don't worry about Madonna's sales like I used to, it's something that everyone likes to talk about on here but I think it's getting less important as she gets older. I see people freaking about it on here and I see the numbers and yeah, they look pretty bad but I don't think it's gonna adversely affect her career. Everyone's doing badly and the line between flop and success is being blurred. I do think that people are less interested in her than they were 2 years ago, but I think it's because she hasn't had much of a break. But I guess she was on a timer to get this thing out. I think this will be her last commercially relevant album. By the time she puts out her next project, she won't be under a record label and she'll be 52. It just won't be the same for Madonna the pop star. One would expect a major shift musically by then, at least I hope.
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I just think that considering the fact that the song is her biggest hit since 2000 she'd be selling better. I don't know how much the market is down, I know it's bad. But you'd think that it wouldn't be sinking so fast. And I just checked the UK numbers and those are crappy too. It's just weird that she's performing so much worse than the last album. I know, I know, it was the holidays when Confessions came out, but I think it still would have broken a million copies over here even if it was released in say, February. I don't think this one will do that. 4 Minutes just isn't selling the album, maybe everyone bought it because of Justin Timberlake. lol
And she hasn't promoted it but I don't think that matters, she's never promoted her albums in the same fervor that her peers do. Usually her albums sell off of her name and the quality of the song. We all saw what happened when she put out a shitty first single.
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Well I think people were talking about the the numbers stateside. I haven't seen the latest numbers but from what I saw about a week ago, it didn't look like she was doing all that well.
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Oh, you already changed it. Nevermind.
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I changed it Bill, because I thought you were being an asshole and I thought that your original post deserved as little attention as possible. But now I see you were being sarcastic. It'll be changed back with a quickness.
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No maybe you should just learn how to read better. thanks.
Or maybe you save us the verbal-diarrhea and quit trying to argue with me and the rest of the people on here who are voicing some pretty valid complaints about the way this tour is beind handled. If you're too thick, ignorant, or egotistical to understand where we're coming from, you're better off gloating somewhere else. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why people aren't down with what she's doing. If you can only justify it with bullshit like "OMG MADONNA IS AN AMAZING BUSINESSWOMAN" or "GUYS IF YOU DONT LIKE THE PRICES DONT BUY THEM!" then yes you are better off SHUTTING UP. I wanted to see Madonna just as much as you do. But since she's decided to make it a fucking hassle, the desire has dwindled. That's no fun for me, so quit acting like we're all here to just bitch for the sake of it. Some of us are actually pretty angered by this. PERIOD.
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I never made fun of others for not being able to get or pay for tickets besides you & that is because you said,"call me cheap or a jew in your post" so I was just being checky. Beyond that I NEVER made fun og anybody I simply stated that whiney & complaining about the prices & availability was a mute point & that there were other options for tickets. Get your facts straight before making accusations next time.
Listen, throughout this entire thread you've had this "cheeky" attitude about people complaining because they couldn't afford it. If you didn't want your comments to be misunderstood then maybe you just should have shut the hell up.
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And another thing - if you have the means to shell out upwards of $400 for this woman, then GOOD FOR YOU. Let's hope she marginally appreciates your dedication. With that said, I don't think it's cool or even appropriate to make fun of others who aren't up for doing that simply because they have other things in their life to tend to. Not everyone is gonna have the same willingless to blast away their disposable income like you do. The least you can do is not be a snob about it.
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All the New York & Chicago dates only have single tickets left. Boston does have some double tickets left. Once only single tickets can be found thats pretty much sold out. Even during Re-Invention & Confessions you could get a single ticket up until like a day before the show for almost all dates & billboard had them as sold out at the box office. I guess we will just have to wait for the official numbers to come in monthes from now but I guarentee you that Chicago & New York will be sold out as well as probably most of her other dates.
I remember 2006 like it was yesterday because I was determined to jet to New York to see this hag. On the first day I couldn't get my tickets - the seats I wanted were gone within minutes. For weeks, I wasn't even able to ACCESS tickets from Ticketmaster for the New York dates. None even popped up. Maybe a nosebleed here and there. Finally, in early June, about 3 weeks before the show, I got lucky and got my tickets when Ticketmaster released their seats. When a show is deadlocked like that, you know its sold out. But you can still get floor seats for some of these shows.
I'm not saying the tour is gonna tank, of course not, bu I don't think it's gonna be as fast selling as the last one. For two reasons - #1 the prices, and #2 the huge lack of buzz and excitement about the woman right now. It's not something I am GLAD happened to Madonna. It's just the way I see it right now. And if fans are opting out of going to this show in droves, I can't say that I blame them for it. That's all I'm getting at. But why am I even trying to explain this to you? You'll just tell me I'm wrong and tell me I'm whining right?
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But to all the people who are going to "teach her a lesson" by not buying an expensive ticket, is music the only thing that gets you this upset? I think jeans at A&F are way overpriced, and I still buy them.
I don't blame anyone for not wanting to spend so much on concert tickets. I just feel that it's interesting, in America at least, that people are more than willing to shell out money for name brand clothes, gasoline, blackberry's and other new gadgets, five-year loans on cars that they buy just because they look cool, etc., yet going to a concert by a music legend is somehow where the line gets drawn.
Well I certainly don't buy A&F jeans and I certainly don't blow my money on stuff that I know is overpriced. That includes everything. Call me cheap or a jew, but I don't believe in doing that. Madonna's tour is overpriced and yes she's ripping off her fans, and Boytoyville can sit on his computer chair all day long and try to convince me to lick Madonna's undeserving ass with him, but I choose to see this realistically and she's overcharging. If this is what she has to do to see a considerable profit then maybe she should just save herself the trouble and go to Vegas.
I'll still support Madonna by buying her music.
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How is the tour selling slowly? Most people can't even get tickets for dates that have went on sale thus far? Just because some people can't afford going to her show doens't mean that those of us that can are getting "ripped off". Oh well don't go to the tour then. Fine by me.
Oh yes you are getting ripped off. You may be able to afford it, but you're getting ripped off.
None of the New York shows have sold out and neither has Boston. Remember 2001? Those shows sold out in MINUTES. It's been DAYS for some of these shows. Sounds pretty fucking slow to me.
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I'm not surprised the tour is selling slowly. She's being outrageous with her pricing - so much so that I'm not even going this year. I paid a nice $170 in 2006 for the seats she's charging $350 for now. Yeah right, like I'm gonna for that. lol
Ultimately there's a limit to how much you can rip people off and she rode that pretty well during the Confessions Tour. Right now, there's less buzz around her, her album isn't selling, and instead of keeping things the way they were A MERE TWO YEARS AGO, she jacks up the prices. So it's no surprise that this is slightly blowing up in her face. I'll buy your albums and watch your videos Madonna, but I'm not gonna go broke for you. Thanks for 2004 and 2006, but I don't think I'll be going to your tours anymore. Bai!
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Aside from the corset, the Reinvention tour had some of her worst costumes ever. That whole tour was kinda shitty actually. I thought Confessions was way better costume-wise and overall.
As for your question, we don't know the answer to either yet, but I'm sure Jamie will direct again.
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Reinvention: 1x in Miami
Confessions Tour: 2x in New York
I wish I had gone to Drowned World
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Oh god, imagine the fiercely heterosexual screams
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The POINT is that scalping tickets is an unfair and (in some places) illegal practice. No one should be making a profit of the concert except for M, Live Nation, and Ticketmaster in the first place. She could just have easily stood up to these sleazebags and forced a requirement of id checks at the venue, meaning that the ticket purchaser had to be one of the people attending the show. I mean Ticketmaster does that when tickets are lost in the mail. Yes, it would mean that everyone would have to go the box office to pick up their tickets, meaning long lines at day of show, but if people are warned in advance they would plan enough time and the fact that it would be a plan to eliminate scalping most people would cheer on.
Eliminating scalpers from the equation would mean that FANS would get better access to the best seats at the PRICE THEY WERE MEANT TO BE SOLD AT. I mean it's the die-hard fans and the scalpers who are the ones clogging up the phone lines and internet trying to get tickets on day one, so if it was just fans clamoring for tickets it's almost a guarantee that all the best seats would be booked up by those fans, meaning that M would have all the people who REALLY SUPPORT HER right in front of her.
But no, instead of trying to stop scalping and make it easier for her fans to get their hands on the best seats, she decides to go the opposite route and gets into bed with these greedy bastards so she can try to make even more money. Because let's remember here. M has already made money on those tickets that the scalpers are selling. She's making the designated money that any ticket has sold for to the general public. Now she just wants to make MORE on top of that.
And if she really wanted to "test the waters" to use the scalpers to see how much money she could really get for certain seats then she could just as easily have gone the auction route like Ticketmaster has been doing for plenty of recent concerts. Certain top seats are set aside and auctioned off, so basically the general public bids on them and THEY DECIDE how much those seats are worth, as opposed to scalpers who immediately mark seats up by 300% and price most fans right out of the market.
The other side of the scalper issue is that when they are unable to sell their tickets many seats wind up going empty. These are seats that COULD HAVE been sold at regular prices and bought by fans who could afford to save up $300-400 for a ticket but not $2000.
I mean it truly boggles the mind that people are defending her on this especially when other bands out there have been trying to fight the scalpers for years and have tried to develop strategies to outmaneuver them and make sure the FANS get the best tickets. I mean why would bands go to all that trouble to keep scalpers out if they didn't think what they were doing was a bad thing for fans and for the industry as a whole?????
This is exactly how I see this situation. For years I never really gave a shit about Madonna being a megalomaniac because I knew it was her thing and it was part of her mystique and status. But I think this realy pushes it. If she truly wanted to put on a good show for her fans, she would make sure the right people are getting their hands on her tickets. Instead she just takes the easy way out and looks at it from the angle of "well how can I take these guys down in a way that benefits me?" It just sounds like a cunt move to me and I'm not feeling it. Oh well.
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I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad. I've been insulted and trashed in this thread by several people, but I have not insulted anyone else. It's just interesting that a lot of people have now calmed down and are starting to think that maybe the deal isn't as evil as it first appeared to be (even if people still have serious issues with it). You yourself said that it doesn't sound as bad as it first appeared. I have always seen it this way, but that doesn't mean that I've deserved to be insulted. Check all of my posts - I don't resort to insults to make a point.
What is wrong with defending Madonna? If she did something I truly disagreed with, I would say so. She rarely does that as far as I'm concerned. Does this make me a loon? According to an awful lot of people, yes. I'm attacked because I agree with Madonna. That's fine, but it's also not a very nice feeling. As for the other (unrelated) thread that you're referring to, my main point is that Madonna doesn't *owe* Australia a tour, but Australia absolutely and without question *deserves* one. I'm as keen as everyone else to know why she's yet to announce a tour here, but that's irrelevant to this discussion
Well, there isn't technically wrong with defending Madonna, I just think you kind of go overboard. I really do wonder what it would take for you to be like "god, what a bitch." She's pulled moves like this before, but I think it's gotten to the point where she just looks like a greedy hag. You, Glittercandy, Lori, and myself have all gone back and forth with each other in this thread and from Lori's side we've gotten a totally different perspective on the situation, even if we're still pretty turned off by Madonna's scheming. Which I think we have a total right to be. All you've done is search high and low for ways to spin this into a situation we as fans should be totally fine with, and you really shouldn't bother. There's ways to make it sound less insulting than New York Magazine made it sound, but there's no way to make Madonna sound like the altruistic fan-friendly legend that we all know she isn't. I've defended Madonna on a whole array of topics and truly believe that she's done a lot of positive things, not least of which is her work in Africa, but I hate that she can be shitty to her fans sometimes. This stubhub move is kind of a metaphorical middle finger to me. It shows me that she doesn't care that a lot of us are spending hundereds to see her - instead she's trying to solve the problem by aligning herself with the middleman and being a chess player just for the sake of the extra cash. I dislike that about her and wish she would have chosen to solve this problem in a different way.
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Oh come on, no need to be dramatic. Yeah, at first many of us were angry but can you blame us? Both of the articles that came out of New York painted an ugly picture. It makes more sense now, but I still stand by my opinion that this was a stupid move. It rubs me the wrong way as a fan ultimately, and that's not a good thing. It just makes me feel like this entire venture is just an opportunity for her to rake in cash, rather than get out there and perform for the people that love her.
You always go on about being open minded Carta, but I think it's slightly hypocritical of you to say, because you never allow yourself to see that Madonna can be a bit of a bitch sometimes. I mean you're even defending her puzzling decision to not play for her Australian fans after all the support and success they've given her in the fifteen years she's avoided them. I don't think it's necessary or appropriate of you to be like "omg see, I was saying it all along" or "I guess everyone's a loon now, huh?" Even if you say it nicely. I love Madonna and will love her in spite of shitty moves like this, but I refuse to sit here and make excuses for her. So don't act like you've been vindicated since you're merely doing what you do all the time, and that's defend Madonna until you're blue in the face. I don't like being made to feel like I'm an asshole simply because I'm not thrilled with the bullshit that Madonna throws at her fans now and then.
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I guess we can all safely say now that this is not as nefarious as it looked in the beginning but it's still a shitty move in my opinion. I guess I was a fool for thinking she was a TAD more fan friendly than this. And I don't buy the whole argument of this being good because we'll be indirectly helping Madonna give back to charitable causes. I don't buy that for a second. I highly doubt this business arrangement was preceded by Madonna saying to Guy Oseary: "Ugh, Guy, I need more money. I need to give more to charity. Let's see if we can partner up with Stubhub so I can do this." This woman is worth hundereds of millions of dollars. She doesn't need extra money to help people. If she wants to help people she could do it while on the toilet if she wished. She already has the money and resources.
This is all just Madonna's way of making sure she's raking in a lot of cash while she tours - because let's face it, that's what her career is going to be now. Her recording contract is in the dust, and her albums are going to serve as mere promotional tours for her concerts. It's pretty obvious - I mean look at how unpreoccupied she is with promoting Hard Candy. She's not making tours to promote her music. She's making music to promote her tours.
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She had a RIGHT to make money off of her name. If it was me I wouls be pissed to if people were exploiting my brand or creation & not paying their due! It's no different than stealing a sample from a piece of music & then not paying the artist,and then saying as a fan well she already made that piece of music so she doesn't have the right to profit off it anymore. WTF. That is how I see. Anything that comes from her name needs to pay it's dues. Not to mentin the fact that some of this EXTRA money is going to go to CHARTITY since she is a generous donor. So really it is a move that benifits her & others in a respectful manner. Thats the point given that this isn't reallly going to effect most of the "fans" getting tickets.(THANK GOD THAT WAS FINALLY CLEARDED UP BY SANE PEOPLE HERE!)
Either you really don't understand hte point or you just react before you read. Probably both. I made it pretty clear that we all understand that this isn't going to affect us as ticket buyers. What it does reinforce however, is that Madonna would rather align herself with awkward business tactics like this rather than taking the high road and simply becoming more in control of how her show is sold and distributed. She chose not to do that. Instead it becomes an opportunity to simply rake in more money. It's not like she'd be taking huge losses if this was all business as usual. But because she's chosen this route, she'll be making more money than ever and it just looks greedy and tacky. I think it's cheap and dumb of her and I'm not gonna sit here and say that I support it because I don't. End of story.
Robyn opening act on S&S tour
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I was just about to say the same thing