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  1. There seems to be a sub-discussion in the Madonna New Album thread about the global success of Hung Up in real terms, which brought up a few really interesting points. Kurt420 said THIS about Hung Up:

    I never said it wasn't a hit, only that it was a minor hit. I agree, it's miraculous it did as well as it did at that time. With that said, it's just not considered one of the classic, essential Madonna songs by the general public the way Music is.

    So that got me thinking... It's certain that Hung Up and Music are the last two MAJOR hits in her catalog. But which do YOU think had the biggest cultural impact? I always presumed Hung Up was considered a MAMMOTH culturally re-defining tour-de-force of a Madonna moment. But it seems not everyone shares this opinion. I would even say that it had a much bigger scope than Music did, but I'll throw this question to the floor...

    I'm thinking the answer is going to be very dependent on where in the world you are - with most American fans opting for Music, and everyone else going for Hung Up. But we'll see...

    A FEW STATS:

    MUSIC

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    Certification: Platinum (US), Gold (UK)

    YouTube views: 3 million +

    Acclaim (aggregated score of critic lists): 87th most acclaimed song of the 2000s

    Parodies (measure of pop cultural significance): MADTV, Ozzy Osbourne

    HUNG UP

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    Certification: Platinum (US), Platinum (UK)

    YouTube views: 45 million +

    Acclaim (aggregated score of critics lists): 118th most acclaimed song of the 2000s

    Parodies (measure of pop cultural significance): French and Saunders, Bo Selecta

    (Sales data from Wikipedia, acclaim data from Acclaimedmusic.net)

    When it comes to recurrent radio play, and using a random week, Music was the 17th most played M track on American radio the week of June 4-10 (stats from HolidayGuy/Mediabase). Hung Up didn't make the top 20. :ohmy:

    In the UK (stats from Compare My Radio), Music wasn't played at all :ohmy: on radio during the last 30 days. Hung Up was played 57 times.

    - - -

    IT SEEMS like there's a HUGE GULF when it comes to the impact of these singles depending on what side of the Atlantic you are on. Overall, Hung Up wins on YouTube views (by a MASSIVE margin), and US and UK sales, with Music slightly edging HU on acclaim. What's it like in your corner of the world?

    - - -

    PERSONALLY, I would opt for Hung Up. It has a much more recognized 'look' (the leotard) - the cowboy hat/cowgirl image didn't really come into full effect until Don't Tell Me. Would you agree that Hung Up is more fondly remembered by the general public than Music?

  2. Well a "just you wait..." response from a verified MTV account sounds like confirmation of SOMETHING to me. Whether Madonna herself is going to be there though is another thing entirely. Didn't Rita Ora allude to something a few weeks back on her Instagram? Though that's probably nothing.

    Probably just a few seconds of the original LAV performance "to mark the occasion" before they cut to a commercial break :D

  3. The entire Live 8 set. It's far from being her all-time best performance but the way she changed public opinion in the UK with those performances is quite astonishing. It's underestimated how much of a game changer this was for her here. After American Life was poorly received, it set up the Confessions era REALLY nicely a few months later... and re-affirmed her as the world's best live act.

  4. how is no one talking about this?

    X FACTOR: @Madonna has been booked to perform at @TheXFactor grand final alongside @takethat and @GaryBarlow #xfactor

    from mrcelebUK

    This does SEEM to be confirmation, although I don't know how reliable the source is - otherwise this would definitely warrant a new thread. It's a bit specific for mere conjecture though.

    The Sun today claim she is in "talks" to appear on The X Factor sometime in November (the final is in December), The Mirror says, and I quote, "Madonna 'will perform on X Factor live shows'" but is referencing The Sun's source.

    Anyway, we can only hope! I want a THREE MINUTE X Factor intro with all the videos and ridiculous hyperbole like "3 BILLION RECORDS SOLD". :wow:

    I don't see why they can't give her a 12 minute slot:

    1. Classic

    2. New song

    3. Classic

    4. Classic

    (Similar to Super Bowl, with shorter performances of the classics for time constraints)

  5. I know some of you think time is getting on, but there's still plenty of time for a November release this year. After all, we haven't heard anything concrete about other supposed Nov/Dec releases yet (One Direction, Adele etc.) regarding album titles and release dates.

    HOWEVER, just to put things into perspective (info taken from Genesis Timelines):

    • Confessions was released November 11, but Madonna.com confirmed the album title and first single on July 26 (Madonna had of course earlier confirmed the title at Live 8 on July 2.)

    If the new album IS being scheduled for a November release, we certainly had a lot more information regarding Confessions by this point in time. Album release date and Hung Up radio-add date were confirmed August 4, (although Madonna.com had confirmed a 'late November' release as early as June 17.)

    So if she IS releasing this year, we should hear something really soon.

  6. Seems late October and November will be a busy time for new releases, especially in the UK if you're throwing Take That into the mix. I'm guessing record labels will wait until Adele confirms her release date and then schedule their albums to be released BEFORE if they want to debut at number one. :D

    Madonna could hit number one in the UK if she released same week as Rihanna or Taylor Swift, first singles and promo depending. Take That and One Direction less chance, Adele no chance.

    That's IF all those acts release albums this year.

  7. For what it's worth, Richard Tisci posted a few old pics of M with tags such as "Ibiza74" (74 being the year he was born - reference to the party?) and "coming soon" (reference to the album shoot?). See here, here, and here (Mert's tagged in them too).

    Whether she's just going to the party (although like MerGirl says no pics have shown up) OR she's there to shoot the album artwork remains to be seen... :dazed:

  8. "Queen of Pop" seems to be around since 89-90... "Madge" i've always assumed that it comes from her british era of the 00s... never imagined that somewhere in the 80s some people already called her "Madge"... thanks for the info Jamesy!

    I just can't imagine her being referred to as MADGE when the Like A Prayer video was released or when Erotica dropped. Dancing in a frilly dress in the Love Profusion video perhaps :laugh: but NOT during the 80s/early 90s!

    Perhaps because she was 30 when LAP was released and maybe was already seen as older as her contemporaries, even though she was only on her fourth album? As Jamesy said it's always been used as a term of endearment for the most part anyway so it's not really a diss or anything.

  9. Really interesting, thanks Jamesy!

    Madge was just a shortened version of Madonna that would be typical for English people to use for anyone in a jokey way - and then Australian soap "Neighbours" was HUGE during those years (top rated TV show consistently) and one of their characters was an older woman called Madge. So a bit of that was probably involved.

    That would make sense, but strange that it stuck and is still being used today. And that THIS was the inspiration for the name. :ohmy:

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    I remember during the Richard and Judy English Roses interview when Madonna asked WHY she was called Madge. They couldn't offer an explanation but Judy said it was short for Margaret, which confused Madonna even further!

    Funny how these terms enter language without anyone knowing exactly where they came from and WHY.

    SMASH HITS UK btw came up with all the Spice GIrls "nicknames" as far as I know too - Baby, Posh, Sporty, Ginger, Scary - they just used them in an article once or twice and then that was it. Influential magazine for sure.

    This I was always confused about. I know that the names originated from Smash Hits like you said, but wondered why it stuck after all these years. After all, it was just one silly magazine article that coined the term (albeit an influential one among pre-teens) and they're still called these names 20 years on.

    A few other things:

    + Interesting that Material Girl stuck but Boy Toy DIDN'T

    + Surprised that the press ran with Queen of Pop but never once referred to MJ as King of Pop during the 1980s until HE referred to himself using that name.

    + D-Listed tried to make VADGE happen but it didn't catch on :D

  10. Not that it really MATTERS, it's just interesting...

    I always presumed Queen of Pop originated from the late 90s, but there seems to be reference of it in Rolling Stone magazine as early as 1985 which is way earlier than I thought.

    Do you know who first coined this term, and was it BEFORE Michael Jackson became the self-proclaimed King of Pop? I'm also guessing The Royal Box is a play on this nickname? Or not? Obviously she acknowledged the name much later in her career (Dancing Queen on Confessions Tour etc.), but it's interesting to me it's been around for so long, and she was referred to as The Queen during the LAV era. :wow::wow::wow:

    Regarding Madge, this was obviously coined by the British press and I thought this originated circa 2000 post-Guy Ritchie. However, I seem to recall an article I saw recently from one of the UK tabloids referring to her as Madge in the early 90s. So it could have originated even further back. Again which is strange as I thought it was reference to her age and move to London.

  11. Has anyone else noticed that she's been really quiet on IG lately? Her last new pictures of herself are from June 25th, almost three weeks ago. And we all know how Madonna likes the selfies...

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    THIS. Have there been any pap pics of her out and about since July 7 (jury duty)?

    I know she's still posting but like you said, no new pics. Maybe something's brewing...

  12. Now this is all over, how would you guys feel about a similar sort of marketing strategy for the new album? Slowly building up hype with a mysterious single (no vocals obviously), and then revealing who it was at a later date. It wouldn't harm her, especially if radio are reluctant to play her new song because of age/other silly reasons.

    Obviously it would have to be done on a bigger scale (We-R-Superstars wasn't played anywhere outside of a few dance-orientated specialist shows) but it would be an interesting way to kick-boost a new campaign if it was done RIGHT. I'm not sure how she would go about it though, and the real single would have to drop when interest was at its peak (and it would be hard for radio to get on board if they didn't know who it was).

    Or would you just prefer a conventional premiere on Ryan Seacrest's show or something similar?

  13. Did you follow the reader reaction to your track? Seems like everyone thinks you’re Madonna.

    I’m trying not to too much because, as soon as that unfolds, I’m like, “Shit I'm this unknown DJ who had half a hit record 10 years ago and I'm not really sure how the pop aficionados and the hardcore pop fans are going to deal with it.” But you know the track speaks for itself, I’m extremely proud of it. It was fun to work on. I’m not going to lie: these types of records are not easy. I'm not someone who just goes into studio and then three hours later it's like there. It has really been a labor of love. It's funny I started the record in Ibiza a year and a half ago under, no joke, an olive tree somewhere in the mountains in a great studio owned by a friend of mine. I worked on lyrical ideas in London a bit, the talkbox middle eight was done by a friend from Indonesia, and I mixed it in LA.
    This records been all over the world and, its traveled like everything does these days. It’s just so cool its like you start something, when you embark with electronica and you have an initial idea, that spark or soul. The whole trick is to nurture that part of youth and what excites you throughout the process. You're a sculptor, and you mold it and hope you don’t break the marble. You have to carefully bring it to that point. I’m really happy with this record. It’s me coming to whom I really am. 15 years ago, I could never have made that record from a technical point of view.
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