tumbleweedt
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20 minutes ago, MeakMaker said:
People are missing the point here...
maybe Le Pens and even Trump are not racist and Im sure it would be anti constitutional for both Le Pens and Trump to be racist or declare themselves racist. They will always have to be careful about what theyre saying. For now anyways.
The problems I have with those two is the fact that true racists or nazi sympathisers are supporting them! And they have never denounced that! They have never denounced those people. How can you stand there representing your little party knowing that it's supported and promoted and financed by that sort of people!
They would never in a million of years admit to be racist in this time and age but wait until they get some power.. Did president Trump denounce the KKK celebrating his victory? Or is he actually proud they're standing by him? Does he feel good those people give him the vote? If so why? Marie Le Pens supporters are the worst. In England we have little political associations like EDL. They're a bunch of hateful racists! And Farage is their idol!! Doesn't that ring alarm bells to you?
Why no one is calling them out for it? Where's the so called status quo?! Of course these people will never admit to their extremist ideas... it's their supporters who are doing it for them!
I understand what you are saying. But do politicians on the other side of the political spectrum denounce their unsavory supporters? For example, in my country political violence overwhelmingly comes from the extreme left, who for instance use violence against peaceful Pegida demonstrations. Not only do left wing parties FAIL to denounce these actions, but these violent mobs are even LED by local level politicians of far left parties.
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7 minutes ago, roma said:
I am surprised to see so little American anger directed toward the FBI, seems more people concerned about Facebook news feeds than an independent government agency deliberately interfering in an election result
Well, it's certainly not Hillary's fault. She blamed her loss on the FBI at her first opportunity: a call with those who bankrolled her campaign.
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4 minutes ago, beta_test said:
for example the poster that they took over from the swiss people's party showing minarets as missiles over the french mainland. Similar campaign posters which show France in colors of Algeria with mosques and a woman in a hijab?
Yes, that certainly hits the point home.
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10 minutes ago, beta_test said:
I personally don't call them Nazis, but they do use certain vocabulary or imagery of other fascist inspired regimes as e.g. early Mussolini or Franco used as well - which seems to be quite the fashion in France and Switzerland (and many of the other new right wing parties in central europe).
Can you elaborate on that a bit? What kind of Mussolini/Franco-like vocabulary or imagery does Marine Le Pen / her party use?
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16 minutes ago, beta_test said:
Did you ever listen to what other party members say - and everytime the party leader then clarify: they didn't really mean what was was said - but something slightly different *wink wink*. This time it goes not against jewish people (they are now rather used to ignite fear of muslims nowadays, only old Le Pen didn't get that it seems), but either Roma or Muslims. By the way here niece is more radical and rising as new poster girl for the party - and she claimed one has to understand what her grandfather has said. So we hardly know if it is rather a change in tone than a real change in final goals.
But if no utterances of Nazi sympathizing can be attributed to presidential candidate Marine Le Pen (or her niece who is a member of parliament), then it may be - at the very least - counterproductive for those those who oppose her to give her that label: I suspect it feeds sympathy for le Pen by people who see these accusations as a form of demonization. In the BBC interview above she clearly states her position on Islam. She's not against people of Muslim faith. She defends the socalled laïcité that is enshrined in the French constitution, which is the strict separation of church and state, i.e. the absence of religious involvement in government affairs.
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6 hours ago, Nikki said:
YES @ the protest
if that nazi sympathiser le pen wins, i hope the french will be loud as well and not give up. they HAVE to vote for the democrats. this world is getting too scary
Where did Marine Le Pen sympathize with Nazis? You seem to be talking about her father, who she kicked out of the party once she took over.
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1 minute ago, eroticerotic said:
Wonder iF the capital during his presidency will be Nyc again. I believe president Washington started in ny then relocated to philly. ? Im not too great with history. A cpl more ran the country in philly before the White House existed.
Nah, he won't forego the chance to occupy the White House.
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12 minutes ago, Nikki said:
didnt he also vote for brexit or at least show he supports it? maybe Im confusing him with someone else but I think he did
That should not be something to be ashamed of.
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Thinking about that possibility of Republicans supporting a potential impeachment trial! (post on previous page by @pjcowley ) Normally such a threat could act as a restraint, but for someone as inexperienced in American politics as Trump it will be much harder to avoid major strategic mistakes in Washington. Also, his recruitment will play a major part in his political vulnerability.
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2 hours ago, MeakMaker said:
Oh how I wanted to see that televised debate between her and Madonna. Madonna would have exposed Le Pens for her bigot, backwards, racist, fascist and nazist views. It would have been a treat to watch for all the people believing in freedom and human rights.
Is that idea or proposition completely scrapped?
Marine seems like quite an experienced debater. She held up surprisingly well in two interviews by very critical journalists (BBC and CNN) earlier this year. Her father is a racist, anti-semite and Holocaust denier who got convicted multiple times on charges of assault. Marine Le Pen thrashed him and threw him out of the party after taking power. Of course we all know about the Madonna tour-video backdrop involving Marine Le Pen and the Nazi swastika, but can Marine Le Pen be pinned down on racist or antisemitic utterances? I haven't read up on her, so I don't know enough, maybe a French M-Nation member can help out?
In short, my point is that such a debate would by no means be a cakewalk for the big M.
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23 minutes ago, Nikki said:
if john bolton is gonna be in his cabinet as secretary of state..
...then it would thwart prospects of an isolationist / less interventionist USA.
And "draining the swamp".......with banksters. I'll await the nominations before unloading...
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9 hours ago, CzarnaWisnia said:
He's jacked up in the left one and flaccid in the right one?
9 hours ago, CzarnaWisnia said:or in the left his thought bubble reads : "This Addidas is not quite musky enough."
and in the right, it reads : "This Addidas was just right. My foot fetish is building nicely."
Brilliant.
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10 hours ago, Pud Whacker said:
YAAAS SLAAAAY - I LOVE SEXISM FROM LESBIANS!!!
which one would rosie want to eat? not hard to choose!!!
Nailed it
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2 hours ago, XXL said:
Blaming Russia for the ignorant numb state in which most of the US population lies takes the cake. Asking how and why middle classes were crushed on purpose during the past 8 years or asking a few questions in regards to terrorism and who is benefitting from it the most is unpopular. Yet again more tenets of Mr Bzresinzky's doctrine. Obama was the mask of hope and change under which the same neocon policies of the Bush years on both domestic and international fronts were in fact being implemented.
It's always somebody else's fault but then there's no problem in invading, manipulating and destroying from within other sovreign nations under the false guise of "protecting the American people". How about holding your government accountable along every single step of the way?
Agree. Putin's Russia is a dangerous and influential place that played it's part. But denying Americans their share in the outcome is a dangerous proposition.
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6 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:
I have read the post again together with your post that tumbleweedt replied to. And indeed, I misread something. I read the following part " Talking about Europe, personally, I don't see other options" combined with the above mentioned part of de-islamization etc., ignoring the part in between, I jumped to a false conclusion that these ideas might indeed represent tumbleweedts position. Obviously not. Therefore I sincerely apologize to @tumbleweedt for making a statement that was offensive on a deeply personal level. I hope my explanation and apology solves the issue.
Thank you for taking the time to do this and thank you for your genuine apology. I deeply appreciate this. Now I'm off to work, which is: teaching immigrants to learn my mother tongue! Wishing everyone a great (working) day.
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Going to bed now. If no action is undertaken on the gas chamber accusation, I will take that as a sign to delete my account.
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4 minutes ago, Kim said:
I got what you were saying. I think he misread (or misinterpreted) it?!
Impossible.
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If it is allowed on this Forum to falsely insinuate that other posters support sending Jews to the gas chamber, then I'm done here.
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4 minutes ago, Kim said:
I think he misread "de-Islamization and halting the dilution of national sovereignty" as you supporting this stance.
I hope you are using sarcasm here?
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6 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:
If reading about the law is too hard for you, go watch Law & Order or The Good Wife or any other show that deals with law. You may learn something. I repeat myself once more, just because someone is or was under investigation does not automatically mean you did something illegal, something that later can be punished by law through verdict. What you and team Trump did is to spin the mere fact that those investigations exist in a way to make it appear as if it was proven that Clinton did something illegal, when in fact such proof does not exist and in result makes an indictment and later verdict impossible. The key word here is proof or evidence. And if you run around and continue to tell people Clinton did something illegal although you are not even in the position to make that claim you are opening yourself to a defamation lawsuit.
"if you run around and continue to tell people Clinton did something illegal"
QUOTE ME. The only one opening themselves to a defamation lawsuit is you, with your gas chambers remarks. Despicable.
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6 minutes ago, drunkbysix said:
tumbleweedt must have me on ignore.
trmp supporters on this site? HOW? It goes against everything our idol stands for.
No, I don't. What's up?
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30 minutes ago, drunkbysix said:
Are you serious?????????????????????????? This is what we've come to with the election of this guy! Horrible.
Can you just read. I didn't say it was ok! It's BAD.
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3 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:
How funny you are. I am supposed to be the one to apologize. I am not the one posting highly offensive stuff on this site.
You were just equating what I said with sending Jews to the gas chamber..... What exactly did I say that was offensive? I do not accept this. I demand an apology.
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4 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:
Exactly what I was expecting. Being called out, you go on attack. Again, Roy Cohn. And again, go learn about basic principles of justice/law. There have been tons of investigations. They could never come up with something. And "worthy of an investigation"? I'm afraid that just because someone alleges something you cannot start an investigation. They are laws that need to be followed. To start in investigation a beginning suspicion is needed that later holds up in court when a search warrant is needed for instance. You cannot investigate someone and hope you'll find something. Those action would interfere with so many laws that no court or judge would accept.
I stand by my words. I don't take anything back.
Apparently the FBI thought both the emails and the Clinton Foundation worthy of investigation. DOES RESTATING THAT FACT MAKE ME MCCARTHY? I ask you once more to reconsider your words.
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I see your point. And I agree with you: violence only begets violence. Maybe in other countries the far left does not vote / have no viable candidates or parties to vote for. In my country however, these socalled anti-fascists of the international socialists most certainly show their political allegiance, even while resorting to violence. These groups are even accompanied and cheered on by elected officials. The mainstream media does not cover this at all. They even make it seem as if the right wing is responsible. "X number of arrests at Pegida demonstration". Turns out most of them are of left wing protesters trying to physically deny other people from exercising their democratic right to participate in peaceful, officially sanctioned demonstrations.