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37 minutes ago, Kim said:

Um...that isn't him.

I can assure you the only 'scandal' being discussed is Cruella being reinstated at the Home Office 6 days after being sacked and the appointment an anti LGBT, anti abortion horror as 'equalities' minister. Same old shit.

The appointment of Kemi Badenoch as equalities minister is almost horrifyingly hilarious…almost.

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44 minutes ago, karbatal said:

What the actual fuck????? 
 

Just wait until you hear about Kemi Badenoch being appointed equalities minister.

 

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I really don’t know about the likelihood of calling an early general election at this stage.  A new leader surely wouldn’t risk committing political suicide for the party based on the current polling?  I also can’t see the party voting against its own self-interest should a vote a no confidence be tabled.  The fracking vote was seen as a confidence vote and that was secured in the middle of the the utter shitshow of this week.

My guess is, if they call an early election, they’ll wait for the new leader to regain the confidence of the markets sufficiently for the polling margin to narrow and then gamble on an election to secure a mandate. But then, as with all of this, that’s pure conjecture based on a lots of ifs and buts.

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Channel 4 News on top form this week.  First Krishna Guru-Murthy calling Steve Baker a cunt off-camera.

And then this beautiful Liz Truss montage cut to Blank Space, her favourite song.

Nadine Dorries is apoplectic and losing her shit somewhere.  On that note, the possible return of Dorries, if the unthinkable happens, should be sufficient reason alone to halt any plans of Johnson’s return.

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1 hour ago, Confessit said:

Stranger things have happened with the tories!

 

Trouble with Sunak is the public turned when we found out wifey hasn’t paid tax for yonks.

I’m not sure that matters right now. This is a single issue race, the economy and nothing else.

They’ll want to show that they have someone with a solid grasp and experience of the economy, rather than e.g. Braverman’s identity politics and immigration war or the untested inexperience of Mordaunt, Lewis or whoever else is in the running. Though Johnson, whilst of course possible, I just can’t see how they’d do it with a straight face when he’s been deemed unfit for office so recently. But who know?

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Famous last words but I just can’t see the Johnson thing happening, not so soon after being forced to resign in disgrace after his Cabinet ran for the hills. My bet at this point is that Sunak runs again and wins based on coming second last time and publicly calling Truss’ economic plans “a fairytale” during the leadership race. 

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12 minutes ago, Kim said:

Maybe we're all just living in one big...

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14 minutes ago, Kim said:

 

I’m not sure I have the energy for all of this for much longer. Can’t we go on an extended hiatus until the new series begins?

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4 minutes ago, Kim said:

Dizzy has resigned as PM 

WELL, WELL, WELL…

Shortest serving EVER. LOLZ.

 

I hope they turn this into a game show. 

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3 minutes ago, Cyber-Raga said:

You’re forgiven. I would say the Welsh brand of nationalism is a little gentler but then this happened this week at a pub a couple of miles from where my dad lives and I grew up.

 

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4 minutes ago, Cyber-Raga said:

And yet the majority of the English (and Welsh?) would vote for those right-wing nut bags again. Like seriously, what else needs to happen to change that shitshow?

Don’t bring us into it!

 

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And now the Chief Whip, and apparently the Deputy Chief Whip, have resigned over the fracking vote chaos, which according to reports saw MPs being “manhandled” and “in tears” in the voting lobbies.

And this is just GOLD.

The latest season The Conservatives is QUITE the watch, though feels like the writers have taken it a little far as we approach the farcical season finale.

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1 minute ago, Kim said:

Hmm, I've seen worse with zero consequences. Something else must be going down.

Imagine losing your Chancellor and Home Secretary in the same week? What a fucking joke.

Yes, I’d read that she was going off-script at the Tory conference and there were whisperings that she was positioning herself to grasp the poisoned chalice.  I mean, why you ever want to?

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38 minutes ago, Kim said:

Has she gone? She made Priti Patel look compassionate.

It just never ends.

Yes, something to do with mishandling of secret documents on her personal phone.

This was a perfect description of her…

 

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Round and round goes the psychotic, nightmarish merry-go-round.

 

[Queen Elizabeth DEAD...]

7 minutes ago, Confessit said:

Interesting insider info ! Thank you for that.

Diolch.

Fy mhleser, calon

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4 hours ago, Kim said:

Says WHO? 

@funkydita come out of your hibernation right now!

 

*rises from the crypt*

There’s a difference between the Welsh and the Welsh Welsh i.e Welsh language speakers (like me!) from pockets of Wales deeply connected to Welsh culture and we’re certainly not pro-monarchy or enamoured by the notion of having an English Prince / Princess of Wales. I mean, we used to put stamps on upside down and burn holiday cottages

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Well, “Build back bitter” seems terribly apt and on brand.

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32 minutes ago, Butter9 said:

Had my first jab of Astra on 12 th July and good lord at the side effects !  I didn't get a fever but had splitting headache for 2 days straight and just felt so weak and tired .

In Thailand we are now in our 4th wave and infection rates are going up to 9,000 ++ each day with death rate at around 80 per day.
This is all due to our Government's botched vaccine roll out . Not enough vaccines. and not enough choices and if you want good ones you will have to pay for them etc . 

Yeah, I was really sick for 24 hours after my first AZ vaccine, the shivering, feverish, bed soaking sweats while wearing all of my clothes in bed kind of sick.  I had zero side effects with the second jab.

I’m hoping that I’ll be able to visit Thailand again next February / March but not holding too much hope at the moment.

[Palestine and Israel]

I was served a pre-roll ad on YouTube the other day by The State of Israel, justifying their actions and stating they’d continue to defend themselves against Hamas. It took me by surprise, it’s the first time I’ve been served a social ad by a foreign government.

I wish I knew enough to have a fully informed opinion about such a nuanced and complicated situation.

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3 hours ago, karbatal said:

Frankly, the left will only survive if they finally understand that it's not about left or right. It's about rich and poor. 

Sadly most socialist parties are so part of the rich agenda that the voters are fed up.

I think the next couple of decades are going to be interesting, particularly with seemingly more socially conscious young people reaching voting age, I wonder on what basis they’ll cast their votes eg economic v progressive social issues?  Also how will the landscape change as ageing voters (literally) die off?

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3 hours ago, Kim said:

Every day it's something else with this cunt. A PM with a county court judgement against him. He obviously has serious issues with money. Donors paying for his flat refurbishment, his holidays and now this. All resignation matters back in normal times of course.

 

The CCJ is hilarious. I would be mortified if I had a CCJ issued against me.  His credit rating must be worse than the country’s. 

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43 minutes ago, Kim said:

How depressing, but you really can't argue with any of that. Permanent Tory rule for the foreseeable then, which would be bad enough were it just traditional Conservatism, but with this lot, we're basically talking UKIP.

I wouldn't vote for Labour again if you paid me, but then I have better, more progressive choices. 

 

Viable alternatives are a real issue.  I voted Lib Dem in 2010 because of Iraq and the cunts formed a coalition with the fucking Tories. Never again. Tactical voting is the only way forward unfortunately.

Also, that Hartlepool clip you shared is really apt.  It exposes two issues for me, the lack of understanding of local v national politics and policy and the fact that you vote Labour “because you’re working class” - without understanding or being aware of the manifestos and policies that reasoning wears thin with time.  As does not voting Tory because you’re gay. SIGH.

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On 5/9/2021 at 3:09 AM, Jazzy Jan said:

Very interesting article @funkydita  

Excuse my ignorance as don't live in the UK,  but Labour must be absolutely appalling if people are choosing Boris over them.   His response to Covid has been disgraceful.  So many deaths on his watch.  The corruption on top of that.  Has the vaccine roll out saved him or was he on the way to victory without it ?    

Where did Labour go wrong ?  Is there no hunger amongst the UK people to have an alternative party that has different values ?   Are people really that apathetic that they just accept Boris and his corrupt inept party as decision makers in their future.  Surely there must be some passionate people who want to lift Labour back into serious opposition.  

 Every time I see Boris on television,  I just think how dreadful he is and how the UK must shudder to have him as his leader but he seems so popular.  

Sorry I didn’t reply sooner.  I think it’s a really complicated issue without a clear answer.  

Labour have been really confused and confusing for decades, I’d say.  They did such a volte face during the Blair years that they lost their clear distinction, be that by building on Thatcher’s legacy or the Iraq war.  Blair, essentially their most successful PM, is now seen as a war criminal worth tens of millions.  

Historically a party for the working class, Brexit was incredibly difficult for them with a working class diminished by years of Tory rule that had been conditioned to feel that “immigrants are taking our jobs”, at odds with urban liberals who passionately wanted to remain in the EU.  Leaders like Corbyn and Starmer are seen as metropolitan Londoners who have no connection to the wider working class experience across the country.  

They’ve also been at war with themselves for years with internal politics and divisions, played out in the open, massively hindering them.  

Socially too it’s been tricky e.g. a Tory government (historically overtly anti LGBT) ushered in gay marriage (I’m astounded at the number of openly Tory gay voters I’ve known over the years) or the badly handled accusations of Labour anti-semitism. I also think people have become more insular and self-serving e.g. those pesky gay Tories who now happily vote Tory as they’re not seen as homophobic. “For the many, not the few” doesn’t resonate hugely in a society that’s been splintered into often single issue causes.

Labour also have a messaging and positioning problem, I’m not sure many would be able to tell you what Labour now stand for and what their key policies / manifestos or points of difference are.  Unless they’re able to consistently articulate their position they won’t be seen as a viable alternative.

And so on and on…

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12 hours ago, Kim said:

And as for WALES, @funkyditawhat's this I hear about Leanne Wood losing her seat?  

Loved these three together..

HUNS.  I was really sad not to grab tickets when they reformed with Siobhan.

Yes, I read that Leanne lost her seat, at least (sort of) she lost to Labour.  Being from a staunchly Plaid family in a Welsh speaking and Plaid voting area, I’ll never understand the self-flagellation of voting Tory in Wales (let alone the Welsh Brexit voters from areas subsidised by Europe).

Regarding England, have to say, I mostly blame Labour for the latest shitshow, they’ve been such an imploding and aimless mess for years.  It feels like we’re operating without an Opposition.  I do wonder to what extent the pandemic has oddly helped the government, irrespective of the absolute fuckery, sleazy corruption and, y’know, DEATHS, their profile this last year has been omnipresent and the narrative felt like it shifted considerably after the vaccine (giving ammunition to the Brexit lot and making it seem like Johnson had some kind of purpose).  I also wonder if the weaponisation of “woke” and fuelling of culture wars by the socially conservative media, particularly with regards to gender, race and fucking statues has caused a doubling down of older and more socially conservative voters?  Add to all of that an ageing population and apathetic younger voters, the results aren’t a huge surprise. The fear is that we’re now stuck with the cunts.

As an aside - I thought this article gave an interesting perspective on the influence of age in the current voting situation.