“Bring Your Love”

[Confessit II]

6 minutes ago, Nikki said:

it's the same dancer from the celebration tour. how do ya'll not know this? pay attention.. she has used dancers as body doubles for YEARS to see how the choreography looks. she's in the celebration tour in rio rehearsals, and other women doing her part while M watches are in her previous tours as well.. nothing about that is new. maybe she had a bigger part this time (like the rolling in the carpet, maybe some poses or when she struts to the bathroom, but if M says she does her own stunts and choreo, she's correct. if anything, she always downplays whatever she's doing.

That’s completely different to hiring a body double for a music video.

Many artists, not just Madonna, will watch a rehearsal of a show with a dancer playing them to see how it looks, that industry standard but they are not body doubles they are already part of the show.

I totally appreciate what you are saying it could absolutely be the carpet rolling and some bathroom shots, but in my personal opinion the only reason they hired in and paid for a body double was for the wire shots. I don’t see why they would go to the trouble and money of hiring a body double for anything else we have seen that could easily be Madonna herself. 

Maybe Madonna didn’t think she could do the wire stunt until filming day and then she could but they had the body double on stand by?

Who knows? I don’t know for sure, none of us do but I stand by my opinion the body double was hired in for the wire shots. Without that scene, I don’t think a body double was required for hire for the shoot. 

[Nikki]

Just now, Confessit II said:

That’s completely different to hiring a body double for a music video.

Many artists, not just Madonna, will watch a rehearsal of a show with a dancer playing them to see how it looks, that industry standard but they are not body doubles they are already part of the show.

I totally appreciate what you are saying it could absolutely be the carpet rolling and some bathroom shots, but in my personal opinion the only reason they hired in and paid for a body double was for the wire shots. I don’t see why they would go to the trouble and money of hiring a body double for anything else we have seen that could easily be Madonna herself. 

Maybe Madonna didn’t think she could do the wire stunt until filming day and then she could but they had the body double on stand by?

Who knows? I don’t know for sure, none of us do but I stand by my opinion the body double was hired in for the wire shots. Without that scene, I don’t think a body double was required for hire for the shoot.

who says the body double is someone new? it's not some kind of special hire; it is the same dancer she's always had.

[Genevieve Vavance]

11 hours ago, SOON said:

@Genevieve Vavance @runa 

 

He's so funny  .

[dollhouse]

5 minutes ago, Genevieve Vavance said:

Oh no, not Sienna Spiro 

another irrelevant nobody

[Confessit II]

5 minutes ago, Nikki said:

who says the body double is someone new? it's not some kind of special hire; it is the same dancer she's always had.

I think The Sun was reporting a body double hired in for the wire shots I thought? Maybe I am wrong in my memory but I thought the article was indicating the body double was hired in due to the video having action sequences.

It certainly wasn’t written that the body double was more a standard thing but more of a special hire.

Plus, I don’t think in other Madonna music videos they do use doubles for Madonna as standard ?

[dollhouse]

Just now, Confessit II said:

I think The Sun was reporting a body double hired in for the wire shots I thought? Maybe I am wrong in my memory but I thought the article was indicating the body double was hired in due to the video having action sequences.

It certainly wasn’t written that the body double was most a standard thing but more of a special hire.

Plus, I don’t think in other Madonna music videos they do use doubles for Madonna as standard ?

the SUN article had shots of a body double with camera on her head as she was walking from the car to the rave, NOT doing wire stunts

its was probably earlier on the day when Madonna was with her family not shooting, M was shooting late into night..

[Confessit II]

3 minutes ago, dollhouse said:

the SUN article had shots of a body double with camera on her head as she was walking from the car to the rave, NOT doing wire stunts

its was probably earlier on the day when Madonna was with her family not shooting, M was shooting late into night..

Understood hun! Thanks.

[Nikki]

3 minutes ago, Confessit II said:

I think The Sun was reporting a body double hired in for the wire shots I thought? Maybe I am wrong in my memory but I thought the article was indicating the body double was hired in due to the video having action sequences.

It certainly wasn’t written that the body double was more a standard thing but more of a special hire.

Plus, I don’t think in other Madonna music videos they do use doubles for Madonna as standard ?

thesun don't know her dancers like we fans do. im sure shes used body doubles many times before. not to "be" like her in videos we see as fans, but just to help in the process so M can see how the whole thing looks like in person instead of always looking at a recording on a screen. (or on special occasion, like the silhouettes of M and MJ on the tour) and yeah, maybe for certain risky shots they use one to do the real thing, but clearly not for action sequences in the sky.

there was even one in the swept away movie where she was thrown off the boat.

[runa]

11 minutes ago, Confessit II said:

I think The Sun was reporting a body double hired in for the wire shots I thought? Maybe I am wrong in my memory but I thought the article was indicating the body double was hired in due to the video having action sequences.

It certainly wasn’t written that the body double was more a standard thing but more of a special hire.

Plus, I don’t think in other Madonna music videos they do use doubles for Madonna as standard ?

I also think they use a double for some shots with Sabrina

[Confessit II]

2 minutes ago, Nikki said:

thesun don't know her dancers like we fans do. im sure shes used body doubles many times before. not to "be" like her in videos we see as fans, but just to help in the process so M can see how the whole thing looks like in person instead of always looking at a recording on a screen. (or on special occasion, like the silhouettes of M and MJ on the tour) and yeah, maybe for certain risky shots they use one to do the real thing, but clearly not for action sequences in the sky.

there was even one in the swept away movie where she was thrown off the boat.

I appreciate what you are saying babe it’s me I got it wrong and assumed the body double mentioned was someone hired in specially for the wire scenes as they perhaps required it.

I stand corrected as it appears the dancer/double appears in scenes in the video that I didn’t think warranted a double stand in for M.

1 minute ago, runa said:

I also think they use a double for some shots with Sabrina

Surprising? I mean why if it’s just general for the camera stuff?

[tasteinmen]

Do we think we'll get the video mix on streaming? Whatever they've done to it has elevated the song. Like the first "I know where the bodies of buried" is just so much punchier now.

[side_streets]

55 minutes ago, tasteinmen said:

Do we think we'll get the video mix on streaming? Whatever they've done to it has elevated the song. Like the first "I know where the bodies of buried" is just so much punchier now.

The bass is more prominent as well.

You can clearly hear "Good Life" by Inner City.

[Confessit II]

1 hour ago, tasteinmen said:

Do we think we'll get the video mix on streaming? Whatever they've done to it has elevated the song. Like the first "I know where the bodies of buried" is just so much punchier now.

 

5 minutes ago, side_streets said:

The bass is more prominent as well.

You can clearly hear "Good Life" by Inner City.

Yeh the BYL video version is superior to the released version, the same way the EY video version is to the single version, but of course that enjoyed a release!

I hope we get the BYL video mix released officially to enjoy! 

[side_streets]

1 hour ago, Confessit II said:

 

Yeh the BYL video version is superior to the released version, the same way the EY video version is to the single version, but of course that enjoyed a release!

I hope we get the BYL video mix released officially to enjoy! 

They could add Lucky Star keyboards as well!

[Confessit II]

2 minutes ago, side_streets said:

They could add Lucky Star keyboards as well!

+1

The additions and lift to the song in both videos make the song superior to what they have released !

[metalissimo]

4 hours ago, Confessit II said:

Yes I think someone got that from AI.

At the end of the day MX got 95K in total units, and CII has a lot more appeal than that one had for casuals on streaming, plus there’s been more variants for the hardcore fanbase to buy up.

So I completely agree with your prediction of 100K in America. 

But I think a more conservative figure of 80K is more realistic?

MX got 95k because of the ticket bundles. 

Now, there's no ticket bundles. 

CII must get a lot of streamings to debut at no 1 on Billboard 200.

[peter]

43 minutes ago, metalissimo said:

MX got 95k because of the ticket bundles. 

Now, there's no ticket bundles. 

CII must get a lot of streamings to debut at no 1 on Billboard 200.

There were ticket bundles for Madame X, but … it is questionable whether every ticket purchaser redeemed their album purchase. (Yes, it “makes sense” that a fan would, but … it wasn’t always automatic, and not every ticket purchaser happened before the week of album release.)

On top of that, if you were a fan who splashed out on the cost of attending MXT, it is unlikely you’d be satisfied receiving the basic/standard edition of the album — you’d likely want the deluxe version with the additional tracks, which is not what was included in ticket bundles.

Just trying to provide a little context — the ticket bundle effect, which may have been very significant in the first week numbers for MDNA’s sales, may not have been as powerful for RH and MX because of different mechanisms (needing to take a second step to redeem a code) and timing of ticket sales (not all venues announced and on sale, some fans waiting until later to purchase tickets).

[Confessit II]

27 minutes ago, peter said:

There were ticket bundles for Madame X, but … it is questionable whether every ticket purchaser redeemed their album purchase. (Yes, it “makes sense” that a fan would, but … it wasn’t always automatic, and not every ticket purchaser happened before the week of album release.)

On top of that, if you were a fan who splashed out on the cost of attending MXT, it is unlikely you’d be satisfied receiving the basic/standard edition of the album — you’d likely want the deluxe version with the additional tracks, which is not what was included in ticket bundles.

Just trying to provide a little context — the ticket bundle effect, which may have been very significant in the first week numbers for MDNA’s sales, may not have been as powerful for RH and MX because of different mechanisms (needing to take a second step to redeem a code) and timing of ticket sales (not all venues announced and on sale, some fans waiting until later to purchase tickets).

The MDNA tour bundle deal was totally different and highly significant to MDNAs debut week in America over the MX redeem code, which as far less significant in it’s mechanics.

What you are saying here is very true, and we will never ever know just how much of the 95K MX did on its debut week in America was through the MX tour bundle.

What I would add to this are 2 things. Firstly, the cost of the MX album was already worked into the tour ticket price, you didn’t pay any extra for it, so in effect, it was a free copy of the album as an added extra with your ticket. You didn’t have a choice, everyone got the redeemable code in America for that time span as part of the bundle, so it wasn’t really too much effort to then go and redeem it.

I hear what you are saying many hardcore fans who bought the tickets in America had already purchased MX elsewhere (particularly the deluxe edition) but wouldn’t hardcore fans redeem the code and get the album anyways because they knew it was going to help MX debut opening week in America? It sounds like something hardcore fans would absolutely do. Plus, it was already worked into the ticket price, I know I personally would get an additional copy even if I already had it if it helped Madonna on the charts. Even more so if I wasn’t having to pay for it again. 

Just a thought.

[jonur]

6 hours ago, Confessit II said:

I think The Sun was reporting a body double hired in for the wire shots I thought? Maybe I am wrong in my memory but I thought the article was indicating the body double was hired in due to the video having action sequences.

It certainly wasn’t written that the body double was more a standard thing but more of a special hire.

Plus, I don’t think in other Madonna music videos they do use doubles for Madonna as standard ?

I thought I remember people saying there was a body double from MX era from Medellin when she was riding a horse in the end... not sure if that's correct haven't watched the video in a long time, but I remember rumors or something that it was a double, not sure if it was true

[Confessit II]

3 minutes ago, jonur said:

I thought I remember people saying there was a body double from MX era from Medellin when she was riding a horse in the end... not sure if that's correct haven't watched the video in a long time, but I remember rumors or something that it was a double, not sure if it was true

Its my understanding Madonna performed all her own scenes in Medellin including riding the horses.

[Icykiller]

It's the ass double. She wanted it bigger

[Foolio]

1 hour ago, Confessit II said:

Its my understanding Madonna performed all her own scenes in Medellin including riding the horses.

Pretty sure the person riding the horse in the more distant shots is a body double - you can clearly see that in the video.

[Confessit II]

7 hours ago, Foolio said:

Pretty sure the person riding the horse in the more distant shots is a body double - you can clearly see that in the video.

I disagree I’ve re watched I don’t think it’s clearly a body double, I think it’s Madonna. We all know she can ride a horse.

[dollhouse]

10 hours ago, Confessit II said:

The MDNA tour bundle deal was totally different and highly significant to MDNAs debut week in America over the MX redeem code, which as far less significant in it’s mechanics.

What you are saying here is very true, and we will never ever know just how much of the 95K MX did on its debut week in America was through the MX tour bundle.

What I would add to this are 2 things. Firstly, the cost of the MX album was already worked into the tour ticket price, you didn’t pay any extra for it, so in effect, it was a free copy of the album as an added extra with your ticket. You didn’t have a choice, everyone got the redeemable code in America for that time span as part of the bundle, so it wasn’t really too much effort to then go and redeem it.

I hear what you are saying many hardcore fans who bought the tickets in America had already purchased MX elsewhere (particularly the deluxe edition) but wouldn’t hardcore fans redeem the code and get the album anyways because they knew it was going to help MX debut opening week in America? It sounds like something hardcore fans would absolutely do. Plus, it was already worked into the ticket price, I know I personally would get an additional copy even if I already had it if it helped Madonna on the charts. Even more so if I wasn’t having to pay for it again. 

Just a thought.

as a longtime fan, i wouldve redeemed the digital album, just to help it on the charts

BUT i wouldve bought the deluxe album physical anyway separate..

[markm]

Dancer from BYL video 
 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZuTjX1o_U4/?igsh=MTEzNjF0ZjJxNHFqbA==

[Confessit II]

1 minute ago, markm said:

Dancer from BYL video 
 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZuTjX1o_U4/?igsh=MTEzNjF0ZjJxNHFqbA==

That’s amazing.

It totally looks like they were together in the video!

A great use of technology! 

[Foolio]

2 hours ago, Confessit II said:

I disagree I’ve re watched I don’t think it’s clearly a body double, I think it’s Madonna. We all know she can ride a horse.

I'll take your word for it - you might have a better eye for these things  For me, in the last scenes where we see her and Maluma riding horses from a distance, her face has always looked like someone else's, but it definitely could just be me!

[Confessit II]

Just now, Foolio said:

I'll take your word for it - you might have a better eye for these things  For me, in the last scenes where we see her and Maluma riding horses from a distance, her face has always looked like someone else's, but it definitely could just be me!

I don’t know for sure babe you could be right ! I always thought it was just Madonna riding on the scene.

Sounds like both our eyesights ain’t what they used to be

[runa]

I also think that’s her on the horse, but who knows,

 

[songkaiwen]

I don't know if anyone posted this, but a dancer from the Bring Your Love video said Sabrina and Madonna filmed their parts separately. The video is here: 

Maybe that's why there's no big scene with both of them in the same frame doing a big dance off!