U.S. presidency and politics thread

[VogueMusic]

Anyone notice the supposedly accepting/liberal/"allies" to LGBTQ+ (and other minorities) feigning praise or support to dead Nazi Kirk in the last few days...

I guess these are the times when we find out who our real "allies" are...

[VogueMusic]

Charlie Kirk’s Legacy Deserves No Mourning

The white Christian nationalist provocateur wasn’t a promoter of civil discourse. He preached hate, bigotry, and division

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/charlie-kirk-assassination-maga/

 

 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

I have seen a video on YT that described perfectly what he was doing. They described it as stochastic terrorism. Kirk knew exactly that words matter and have consequence and that there are always people out there that understand what he is saying is a call for action. There is a lot of coding going on in those circles, the general public is not aware of. Obviously, once someone hurts or kills a person of colour, a homosexual, a woman, etc. people like Kirk can always claim, they did not do anything, they did not tell people to kill other people. It is all very perfidious. From my view, Kirk was just another graduate of the Goebbels school of propaganda. And I am somewhat bemused that especially right wingers always complain when they are described as Nazis and never seem to understand why. But it makes sense because their approach is wrong. They only see Nazis from a 1945 perspective and therefore claim, they cannot be Nazis because they are not in favor of mass murder and war. Well, maybe they need to be reminded that the whole Nazi movement goes way back to the 1920s and early 30s and back then Nazis were not running around talking concentration camps and world wars. Back then it was the speeches, the propandanda about foreigners, people who are different, the so called elites (jews and intellectuals) to get the common man all riled up, not only to commit crimes against members of the aformentioned groups but to ultimately put the Nazis in power. That is why the phrase "Mind the beginnings!" is such an important one. 

[Nikki]

Im so tired of the types who go 'both sides do political assassinations'.. no.  and it's not even close.
nobody even brings up vance boelter, the right wing nut who murdered a democrat and her husband just months ago.. who had a kill list of democrats. reaction? silence.

"Boelter’s motivations remain murky. Friends have described him as an evangelical Christian with politically conservative views who had been struggling to find work. Authorities said Boelter made long lists of politicians in Minnesota and other states — all or mostly Democrats."

same with all the right-wing loons who do school shootings. 

I asked ChatGPT how many school shootings in the last 30 years that were done by KNOWN leftists..

"Short answer: Zero — there are no confirmed school shootings in the United States during the last 30 years (≈1995–2025) that investigators or reputable reporting have classified as being carried out because the perpetrator was a known left-wing/leftist political actor with a documented political motive."

Yes, there was a trans person who did a shooting, but he was also a neo nazi who wrote "6 million wasn't enough" in his manifesto..

[VogueMusic]

 

[Nikki]

ok.

[Je5u5]

1 hour ago, Nikki said:

ok.

Yep I can confirm it's not a glitch

[Paul Wade]

I said in an earlier post that people like Charlie Kirk,the Ann Coulters etc of the world who use contrary,provocative and usually performative idealogical language to rage bait their audience,in order to acquire a platform,influence and ultimately wealth are the same people who will ultimately be the same people who will fall victim to the audience they enraged. What the fuck is happening to the West? We're seeing people like this spring up all over America and here in the UK too. It appears that people don't pay attention to history,as it so often repeats itself. 

[Mozo1]

I've seen clips of Madonna from the Women's March being shared on MAGA murderers' Charlie Kirk-revenge lists. I hope her security is on it as these people are as violent as they are violently stupid. 

[Nikki]

2 minutes ago, Mozo1 said:

I've seen clips of Madonna from the Women's March being shared on MAGA murderers' Charlie Kirk-revenge lists. I hope her security is on it as these people are as violent as they are violently stupid. 

can you give a link of that? Can other fans also let M & her team know? this is dangerous.

[Mozo1]

38 minutes ago, Nikki said:

can you give a link of that? Can other fans also let M & her team know? this is dangerous.

I am looking but I saw it a few days ago on Reddit via X. I no longer have an X account but her comments were a part of a large array of clips from celebs and Democrats that the nuts are sharing. 

I will link if I can dig it up though, for sure - and surely, there are more. 

[Nikki]

1 minute ago, Mozo1 said:

I am looking but I saw it a few days ago on Reddit via X. I no longer have an X account but her comments were a part of a large array of clips from celebs and Democrats that the nuts are sharing. 

I will link if I can dig it up though, for sure - and surely, there are more. 

I can imagine that if she's there, there's probably a LOT more as she's not been very outspoken about politics lately.. but she's still a big name and the White House comment was everywhere, so yeah, it's still scary

before your reply, I did a search myself and found that loomer + libs of tiktok launched a site where ppl can drop names, jobs, addresses + screenshots of anyone who even slightly joked on charlie kirk. they say you're only allowed to mourn him. they’re building a whole dox database to get ppl fired. they’re bragging about 50k submissions already, got 15 ppl fired, and it’s not just Americans they are targeting. if u joked about him online and they find it, they’ll contact ur boss. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/charlie-kirks-allies-warn-americans-mourn-him-properly-or-else-2025-09-13/

[Nikki]

 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

9 hours ago, Nikki said:

 

THIS.  A thousand times.

A few months ago they had a documentary in Germany that tried to explain why the AfD has this big success (because their policies and actual work in parliaments or local administrations cannot be the reason because it is rather lacklustre). And the makers of the documentary did show that all their success is based in large parts because of indoctrination via social media and online video games. These online video games are a cesspool for those right wing ideologies. And yes, it is basically all boys with no real interests, with no real achievements at school or outside, parents that usually do not care. 

Any serious politician, any educated person should know by now, that social media in all of its forms has created more harm than good. And it is time, to regulate them heavily and punish them financially everytime they do not follow the rules. Quite frankly, I would not mind if all those social media would be cut off completely. With the exception of YT, I see no real loss. 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

Apropos YouTube. It is out of control since yesterday. I know of algorithm and stuff but for two days now, I am getting bombarded with videos by Christian people, well Christian Nationalists and their In Memoriam videos, still putting the blame on the on the so evil left. In addition to that, videos regarding the anti-immigration protests in the UK from yesterday. Much of those were created by AI. 

I really think, access to social media, especially if you wish to upload stuff, should only be possible with your real name. People should know wo they are dealing with. I'm sure, this would clean up all of those places in no time and it would be a much more civilized place. 

[SOON]

 

[VogueMusic]

Michael Keaton Says the ‘Irony’ That Charlie Kirk Was ‘Killed With a Gun Is Unbelievable’: ‘Shooting People Will Never Answer Anything’

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/michael-keaton-says-irony-charlie-021433799.html

 

Jamie Lee Curtis Fights Back Tears Mid-Interview Over Charlie Kirk’s Death: ‘A Father, Husband and Man of Faith,’ Even If ‘His Ideas Were Abhorrent to Me’

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/celebrity/articles/jamie-lee-curtis-fights-back-213810113.html

 

Coldplay’s Chris Martin Encourages Fans to ‘Send Love’ to Family of Slain Right-Wing Activist Charlie Kirk

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/music/articles/coldplay-chris-martin-tells-fans-052517394.html

 

Kristin Chenoweth 'appreciated some perspectives' from Charlie Kirk

https://www.out.com/politics/kristin-chenoweth-appreciated-some-perspectives-from-charlie-kirk

 

 

Uh, am I the only one that finds all this rather patronizing (for lack of a better term)...?

I understand the sentiment of lamenting and condemning any of kind of political violence, but the way they're doing it, coming from supposedly liberal celebs who love to wave their "ally" flag 24/7...it's all rather 'transparent', wouldn't you say...?

[Cyber-Raga]

All of it so performative and insincere so much so that I could just vomit thinking of it. 
Having said that, what’s going on with the Epstein files? Democrats genuinely are so bad at playing this game, it’s not even funny anymore. 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

1 hour ago, Cyber-Raga said:

All of it so performative and insincere so much so that I could just vomit thinking of it. 
Having said that, what’s going on with the Epstein files? Democrats genuinely are so bad at playing this game, it’s not even funny anymore. 

This. And the most nauseating performance was that video of his wife and Kirks dead body in the open coffin. What kind of person do you have to be to show this. Of course, all of his followers see this merely as an act of love. I think, she is just another grifter, in the same way her husband was. 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

OMG. I might be getting doxxed and fired for this comment. Then I realized I don't live in the fucking USA. 

[elijah]

16 hours ago, Cyber-Raga said:

All of it so performative and insincere so much so that I could just vomit thinking of it. 
Having said that, what’s going on with the Epstein files? Democrats genuinely are so bad at playing this game, it’s not even funny anymore. 

I don't want to go into conspiration territory, but I really think that this transformation of USA has been negotiated between Republicans and Democrats behind the scene. There is no other way to explain the passivity of the Democratic party. No outrage at anything Trump does, even emulating him. At this point we have to accept the way to the Nazi regime has been set and it seems the Democrats do not want to veer off USA. 

[Ciccone's Cheeks]

On 9/16/2025 at 6:19 AM, VogueMusic said:

Michael Keaton Says the ‘Irony’ That Charlie Kirk Was ‘Killed With a Gun Is Unbelievable’: ‘Shooting People Will Never Answer Anything’

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/michael-keaton-says-irony-charlie-021433799.html

 

Jamie Lee Curtis Fights Back Tears Mid-Interview Over Charlie Kirk’s Death: ‘A Father, Husband and Man of Faith,’ Even If ‘His Ideas Were Abhorrent to Me’

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/celebrity/articles/jamie-lee-curtis-fights-back-213810113.html

 

Coldplay’s Chris Martin Encourages Fans to ‘Send Love’ to Family of Slain Right-Wing Activist Charlie Kirk

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/music/articles/coldplay-chris-martin-tells-fans-052517394.html

 

Kristin Chenoweth 'appreciated some perspectives' from Charlie Kirk

https://www.out.com/politics/kristin-chenoweth-appreciated-some-perspectives-from-charlie-kirk

 

 

Uh, am I the only one that finds all this rather patronizing (for lack of a better term)...?

I understand the sentiment of lamenting and condemning any of kind of political violence, but the way they're doing it, coming from supposedly liberal celebs who love to wave their "ally" flag 24/7...it's all rather 'transparent', wouldn't you say...?

Ya, but I actually feel Michael Keaton & Jamie Lee Curtis threaded the needle perfectly here making their points from their moral core while playing the PR bs game. Passive aggressive but more aggressive in the *right way. Chris and Kristin= nope. 

[Ciccone's Cheeks]

And ya his wife reminds me of Megyn McCain, Megyn Kelly & Candice Cameron Bure . Not at all a good mix. lol

[runa]

She's a fucking millionaire and she's doing a Gofundme in his honnor? WTF ?? 

What a disgusting POS. 

[VogueMusic]

 

For me, it's the gaslighting. That's what pisses me off more than anything.

I fucking DESPISE it. And yet, I think that's the point - to make the rest of us go insane.

If MAGA/the American right-wing would just own up to what they are and what they believe in, at least it would be honest. But no, they deny, obfuscate, and project their own insanity and crimes on to everyone else who dare acknowledge and call out the truth.

 

[Cyber-Raga]

20 minutes ago, VogueMusic said:

For me, it's the gaslighting. That's what pisses me off more than anything.

I fucking DESPISE it. And yet, I think that's the point - to make the rest of us go insane.

If MAGA/the American right-wing would just own up to what they are and what they believe in, at least it would be honest. But no, they deny, obfuscate, and project their own insanity and crimes on to everyone else who dare acknowledge and call out the truth.

 

Always the victim, never the perpetrator. Sounds like Trump which is why MAGA and Orange Hitler are a match made in hell. 
Paul Pelosi was brutally attacked and other Democratic representatives even murdered, yet nobody on the right gave a fuck. They laughed about it because snowflakes this and betas that; cruelty is the point and it is all about owning the Libs and forcing their worldview onto those who oppose them. 
Which is why it’s so frustrating to see the establishment class of Democrats capitulate in this moment. I don’t know if it’s because they are pussies or because they also owe their asses to the same lobbyists who have the right in their pockets. Either way, Schumer and Jeffreys are useless tools who along with all their consultants have to go, like yesterday. 

[KalamazooJay]

9 hours ago, elijah said:

I don't want to go into conspiration territory, but I really think that this transformation of USA has been negotiated between Republicans and Democrats behind the scene. There is no other way to explain the passivity of the Democratic party. No outrage at anything Trump does, even emulating him. At this point we have to accept the way to the Nazi regime has been set and it seems the Democrats do not want to veer off USA. 

How the Democratic Party has handled Trump is pure negligence to the point of being complicit. 

And how they've treated Zohran Mamdani says ALL I need to know about where this party really stands. 

[KalamazooJay]

I will add that I'll vote for Dems in order to get this fascist regime out of power, but I've been embarrassed , angry, and beyond frustrated with them since they shoved Bernie out of the way in the primary in 2016. They lost me then. Had they allowed a proper primary and had he won, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY believe he would've defeated Trump and won 2 consecutive terms. 

What a place we'd be in had that happened. 

[runa]

2 hours ago, Cyber-Raga said:

Always the victim, never the perpetrator. Sounds like Trump which is why MAGA and Orange Hitler are a match made in hell. 
Paul Pelosi was brutally attacked and other Democratic representatives even murdered, yet nobody on the right gave a fuck. They laughed about it because snowflakes this and betas that; cruelty is the point and it is all about owning the Libs and forcing their worldview onto those who oppose them. 
Which is why it’s so frustrating to see the establishment class of Democrats capitulate in this moment. I don’t know if it’s because they are pussies or because they also owe their asses to the same lobbyists who have the right in their pockets. Either way, Schumer and Jeffreys are useless tools who along with all their consultants have to go, like yesterday. 

Yeah - it's dehumanization at this point. If you're not on my side, you're the ennemy to kill. 

[Cyber-Raga]

1 hour ago, runa said:

Yeah - it's dehumanization at this point. If you're not on my side, you're the ennemy to kill. 

It is truly awful.