Russia and Ukraine thread

[Jazzy Jan]

Russia sending drones over Poland is another example of how dangerous Putin is.  This dictator needs to be stopped.  It makes me so sick when people defend Putin over Ukraine.  Putin is not going to stop and he is only interested in taking land for Russia.  He does not care less about human lives or human rights.  He does not even care about his own people.  

[promise to try]

On 9/11/2025 at 8:33 PM, Jazzy Jan said:

Russia sending drones over Poland is another example of how dangerous Putin is.  This dictator needs to be stopped.  It makes me so sick when people defend Putin over Ukraine.  Putin is not going to stop and he is only interested in taking land for Russia.  He does not care less about human lives or human rights.  He does not even care about his own people.  

I will never defend Putin over Ukraine, but a lot of times it seems to me that the NATO is also culprit of what is happening there

[Kilt]

1 hour ago, promise to try said:

I will never defend Putin over Ukraine, but a lot of times it seems to me that the NATO is also culprit of what is happening there

Russia has been using the NATO pretext for years to push its geopolitical agenda, which is the reconstitution of the former Soviet Union type of hegemony over previously subjugated territories under the USSR.

I mean, NATO can't be blamed for Finland joining the alliance. It means that Russia wasn't that forward looking when it started the war against UKR 

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[Raider of the lost Ark]

All I'm reading from that is that he is open to a Russia / NATO confrontation, well without U.S. troops participating. At this point everything he does, more and more looks like a desperate attempt to distract from the political and economic situation in the U.S. and yes, the Epstein files. As it was mentioned somewhere, his inactions speaks much louder than his actions. The man that has filed more than 4000 lawsuits in his life, is not suing anyone saying he is in the Epstein files?

[elijah]

7 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

All I'm reading from that is that he is open to a Russia / NATO confrontation, well without U.S. troops participating. At this point everything he does, more and more looks like a desperate attempt to distract from the political and economic situation in the U.S. and yes, the Epstein files. As it was mentioned somewhere, his inactions speaks much louder than his actions. The man that has filed more than 4000 lawsuits in his life, is not suing anyone saying he is in the Epstein files?

He is a whiny bitch who changes his opinion every 15 minutes. And I wouldn't be surprised if he pushes European members to fight Russia without lifting a finger.

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[Raider of the lost Ark]

Trump cancelled the meeting? I would like to believe there has never been any interest from Putin to meet in Budapest (or anywhere else) in the first place. 

[Kilt]

Trump is such a dufus. Putin is playing him like a violin. 

Just send over the Tomahawks already. There are no red lines that Putin speaks of. 

[promise to try]

I guess Trump is not interested in finishing the war now, I mean, european countries are buying weapons from USA for ucraine...ending the war now would be bad for their industry

[Raider of the lost Ark]

Have you heard about that 28 points plan to "end" the war? It makes one feel physically sick what the U.S. is proposing. Russia bascially gets everything and will not have to deal with any consequence. Ukraine, the country that was invaded, is the sole loser. Of course, Europe is supposed to pay for re-building Ukraine. And Donald Trump thinks he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize. All of this is disgusting because it sets a dangerous precedent. Invade another, weaker country, kill people, destroy property. And in the end, none of this matters. So, the Baltic States are next? China will invade Taiwan? The U.S. takes Greenland, Panama, maybe Mexico? My advise to all countries: Have nuclear weapons! It's the only way you are safe. And of course: Don't ever trust the United States ever again and do not support them anymore. 

[Confessit]

Apparently the war/invasion of Ukraine is over.

Putin is going to officially give up. It’s all over our news in the U.K. 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

7 minutes ago, Confessit said:

Apparently the war/invasion of Ukraine is over.

Putin is going to officially give up. It’s all over our news in the U.K. 

What? I am watching BBC World and they are showing the Trump / Mamdani meeting at the White House.

The last I have heard regarding the issue is that the Guardian analyzed the proposal and their experts say this was clearly written by the Kremlin because the way the document is written has several sentence structures common in russian but not in english. 

[runa]

14 minutes ago, Confessit said:

Apparently the war/invasion of Ukraine is over.

Putin is going to officially give up. It’s all over our news in the U.K. 

Not what they say:

“Putin backs US plan for ending Ukraine war as Trump gives Kyiv deadline to accept“

Doesn’t mean the war is over. 

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[Raider of the lost Ark]

12 minutes ago, SOON said:

 

And he is right to do so. The whole proposal was simply despicable. The United States should be ashamed of themselves.

[Confessit]

1 hour ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

What? I am watching BBC World and they are showing the Trump / Mamdani meeting at the White House.

The last I have heard regarding the issue is that the Guardian analyzed the proposal and their experts say this was clearly written by the Kremlin because the way the document is written has several sentence structures common in russian but not in english. 

 

1 hour ago, runa said:

Not what they say:

“Putin backs US plan for ending Ukraine war as Trump gives Kyiv deadline to accept“

Doesn’t mean the war is over. 

Sorry guys I miss read the news outlets!!

My bad!

I now see Zelensky has rejected the deal! Good for him 

[promise to try]

Ukrayne reminds me a lot of Spain in Franco´s war. I feel sorry for them, because nobody is going to help them in the end. Rusia and USA are going to take all that they want. Putin, the lands that he wasnted from day one, and probably together, those lands with strange minerals that are so important nowadays.

[elijah]

On 11/23/2025 at 12:44 PM, promise to try said:

Ukrayne reminds me a lot of Spain in Franco´s war. I feel sorry for them, because nobody is going to help them in the end. Rusia and USA are going to take all that they want. Putin, the lands that he wasnted from day one, and probably together, those lands with strange minerals that are so important nowadays.

It's not like RU needs any land. It's the biggest state in the world. It has enough untapped rare earth minerals. The war is not about that mainly, it's about Putins ambitions to revive USSR and/or to remain in history as the new Peter The Great. Actually this is a war which reasons were never very clear. Its also about RU wanting to redefine its place in Europe and to position itself in opposition to the West.

[promise to try]

6 hours ago, elijah said:

It's not like RU needs any land. It's the biggest state in the world. It has enough untapped rare earth minerals. The war is not about that mainly, it's about Putins ambitions to revive USSR and/or to remain in history as the new Peter The Great. Actually this is a war which reasons were never very clear. Its also about RU wanting to redefine its place in Europe and to position itself in opposition to the West.

could be more than one reason behind putin. I mean, the rare lands, the sea, and the need of having the USSR´s lands back. Also, Ukrayne´s need of wanting to be part of the NATO was the perfect excuse to start a "defensive" war. Actually, it susprises me that they didn´t set a law back in the 90s about none of the countries with borders with Rusia being part of the NATO.I mean, one thing is to welcome the capitalism, other to have the enemy in your frontyard full of weapons.

[Raider of the lost Ark]

7 hours ago, promise to try said:

could be more than one reason behind putin. I mean, the rare lands, the sea, and the need of having the USSR´s lands back. Also, Ukrayne´s need of wanting to be part of the NATO was the perfect excuse to start a "defensive" war. Actually, it susprises me that they didn´t set a law back in the 90s about none of the countries with borders with Rusia being part of the NATO.I mean, one thing is to welcome the capitalism, other to have the enemy in your frontyard full of weapons.

Russia uses this narrative as some bullshit excuse. For the bordering countries, the baltics and Ukraine, this is the reality and the reason why they became part of NATO or want to be part of NATO, tp protect them from Russia, the agressor, the enemy full of weapons. 

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[runa]

On 11/24/2025 at 8:22 PM, elijah said:

It's not like RU needs any land. It's the biggest state in the world. It has enough untapped rare earth minerals. The war is not about that mainly, it's about Putins ambitions to revive USSR and/or to remain in history as the new Peter The Great. Actually this is a war which reasons were never very clear. Its also about RU wanting to redefine its place in Europe and to position itself in opposition to the West.

I was like: why Rupaul would need any lands?

 

[elijah]

1 hour ago, runa said:

I was like: why Rupaul would need any lands?

 

he has a bunker for doomsday so who knows

[promise to try]

On 11/25/2025 at 4:25 PM, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Russia uses this narrative as some bullshit excuse. For the bordering countries, the baltics and Ukraine, this is the reality and the reason why they became part of NATO or want to be part of NATO, tp protect them from Russia, the agressor, the enemy full of weapons. 

I don´t know about the disapearance of the USSR, but, I wonder how come they didn´t think about this, about the enemy in the borders. I guess they had bigger problems back then

[sotos8]

5 hours ago, promise to try said:

I don´t know about the disapearance of the USSR, but, I wonder how come they didn´t think about this, about the enemy in the borders. I guess they had bigger problems back then

yes , they had economic crisis and drunk presidents back then humiliated by the US so they couldn't care about NATO's continued expansion in the east and now thay have power so Russia turned to the imperialistic country that was before .I actually agree with raider of using it as an excuse but we will never know what would happen if the US kept their promise of not expanding there

[elijah]

3 hours ago, sotos8 said:

yes , they had economic crisis and drunk presidents back then humiliated by the US so they couldn't care about NATO's continued expansion in the east and now thay have power so Russia turned to the imperialistic country that was before .I actually agree with raider of using it as an excuse but we will never know what would happen if the US kept their promise of not expanding there

They would have been on the German border probably.

[promise to try]

4 hours ago, sotos8 said:

yes , they had economic crisis and drunk presidents back then humiliated by the US so they couldn't care about NATO's continued expansion in the east and now thay have power so Russia turned to the imperialistic country that was before .I actually agree with raider of using it as an excuse but we will never know what would happen if the US kept their promise of not expanding there

so there was something, at least, words, about not spanding to the east?

anyways, what a disaster...I mean, after being one of the biggest powers of the world for 40 years, yo end with a drunk president that can´t even think about this

[Raider of the lost Ark]

14 hours ago, promise to try said:

so there was something, at least, words, about not spanding to the east?

anyways, what a disaster...I mean, after being one of the biggest powers of the world for 40 years, yo end with a drunk president that can´t even think about this

The situation is more complicated and there is also a lot of legend telling involved. The NATO expansion to the east has been discussed several times during high profile events. And those opposing the NATO expansion to the east always claim that some sort agreement has been made with certain guarantees from the West towards Russia. Well, there is nothing in written form. No treaty, nothing. That's why they claim it was orally agreed upon during the 4+2 talks regarding the German re-unification, although there is no evidence. The only thing that has been agreed upon was, that there shall be no NATO troops stationed and nuclear weapons stored in the area what used to be the GDR. The USSR was represented by Michael Gorbachev back then. In 1997 Boris Yelzin (yes, the drunk guy), former president of Russia, signed the Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperations and Security between NATO and Russia. The treaty clearly states that sovereign nations have the right to apply for NATO membership and may, if accepted, be an active member of NATO. Russia has no right to veto such membership of countries in question. Russia was granted a guarantee that no nuclear weapons will be stored in those countries. In later years, Russia changed its position significantly because it felt its security threatened and claims were made the former agreement is in opposition to principles of the European security charta. Obviously, none of this has to do Russias security being threatened by the West. It has more to do with Russias very own military strategy and actions and the fact that a possible NATO membership of certain countries is a severe obstacle in Russias ambitions to get influence in certain regions or to expand Russias territory. It has been mentioned before, Putin believes, it was one of the biggest mistakes in history to dissolve the USSR. 

[promise to try]

the way USSR was dissolved was a mistake, I agree with him on that. I mean, the power, the money, went from the government to a lot of mafias, as far as I know.And gorvachov not signing something about the NATO before the USSR disappeared, is also a mistake , I wouldn´t accept it

 

anyways, isn´t everything going against Ukaryne now, again? I mean, all the things that the news talk about , the peace agreement or whatever it is...it sounds like crap after 4 years´s war.