Russia and Ukraine thread

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TRAITORS OF THE FREE WORLD

never thought i'd live 2 c the day 

I wonder how far Americains are willing to let this administration go... 

YOU KNEW. 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

I wonder where all those "normal" Republican representatives in congress are? Maybe now is the time to step up? Also, isn't the aid to Ukraine already approved by congress and therefore Trump may not even be in the position to pause the aid? On the other hand, in the last 5 weeks he made tons of decisions that he technically cannot make and always end up before a judge. All Trump is doing, is eroding the systems in place. The judicial will be overwhelmed by those lawsuits that should not exist in the first place. The legislative is not stepping up because all Republicans, who have the majority, keep quiet for whatever reason (there must be some of them that are not part of the cult?), which makes this institution basically useless. The separation of powers, checks and balances are being eroded at this very moment by the executive. Well, he declared himself king.

And what kind of reaction does he expect from Europe and Canada? He wants negotiate a "peace deal" with only Russia. The country that has been attacked by Russia is not involved in those negotiations, is supposed to accept a deal, it was not part of. To top it all, Ukraine is supposed to pay up to 500 billion in rare earth in exchange for arms and weapons, that were mostly meant to be put out of service and to dissembled, worth aprrox. 120 billion (most likely list price). No security guarantees from the U.S.. Instead, Europe is to send troops, countries that were also not part of the negotations. What kind of deal making is that supposed to be? Well, I suppose it is how the mafia is doing deals. 

[promise to try]

what europe is doing now...I don´t know, but isn´t it as if europe was declaring war to russia?

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[ULIZOS]

On 3/1/2025 at 3:00 PM, ULIZOS said:

I’m not blaming him. It was just obvious this was going to happen. 

I actually take back everything I said. 
 

He managed to embarrass Trump outside of the U.S. and get Europe to step up their support of the Ukraine, and it looks like Ukraine and the U.S. are going to re-engage. Long-term this looks good for the Ukraine. 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

14 hours ago, promise to try said:

what europe is doing now...I don´t know, but isn´t it as if europe was declaring war to russia?

I don't know exactly what are you referring to. But how is increasing military budgets and a possible increase of nuclear weapons "declaring war to Russia"? Or are you refrerring to European troops acting as security within Ukraine? That would be after a peace deal. Also, it is on Ukrainian territory. I don't think anyone in Europe wants to march into Russia or shoot some missiles on Moscow or St. Petersburg. 

The fact remains, Russia is the agressor and invaded Ukraine, a sovereign nation, for no proper reason. At this point Europe should not care what Russia thinks and also what the Trump administration thinks. Europe, especially the EU or even NATO, did not do anything wrong in regards to Russia. In fact, the EU and especially my country were still doing the "change by trade" approach when it was already very clear that Russia has ambitions to re-create the Soviet Union. The biggest mistake, the so called free world did, was to not act when Russia annexed Crimea. If the EU and the U.S. had stepped in the very moment, not neccessarily with military, Ukraine would not be in the position it is right now. 

[promise to try]

51 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

I don't know exactly what are you referring to. But how is increasing military budgets and a possible increase of nuclear weapons "declaring war to Russia"? Or are you refrerring to European troops acting as security within Ukraine? That would be after a peace deal. Also, it is on Ukrainian territory. I don't think anyone in Europe wants to march into Russia or shoot some missiles on Moscow or St. Petersburg. 

The fact remains, Russia is the agressor and invaded Ukraine, a sovereign nation, for no proper reason. At this point Europe should not care what Russia thinks and also what the Trump administration thinks. Europe, especially the EU or even NATO, did not do anything wrong in regards to Russia. In fact, the EU and especially my country were still doing the "change by trade" approach when it was already very clear that Russia has ambitions to re-create the Soviet Union. The biggest mistake, the so called free world did, was to not act when Russia annexed Crimea. If the EU and the U.S. had stepped in the very moment, not neccessarily with military, Ukraine would not be in the position it is right now. 

well, macron sounded quite bad to me, and, well, europe will increase the budget to continue giving weapons to ukrayne to fight against Russia. So, I can imagine people thinking that european union is fighting russia.

[Kilt]

14 minutes ago, promise to try said:

well, macron sounded quite bad to me, and, well, europe will increase the budget to continue giving weapons to ukrayne to fight against Russia. So, I can imagine people thinking that european union is fighting russia.

If Ukraine falls then, Russia will attack, and they will, not right away, the Eastern flank (Baltic States, Moldova). 

So, i wouldn't be bothered that much about what people may think. It's a matter of preservation for the entire EU.

[promise to try]

1 minute ago, Kilt said:

If Ukraine falls then, Russia will attack, and they will, not right away, the Eastern flank (Baltic States, Moldova). 

So, i wouldn't be bothered that much about what people may think. It's a matter of preservation for the entire EU.

is not people in general, is Puttin and Trump the ones that scare me!

Anyways, I don´t know if the EU will continuie after this crisis. I mean, a lot of people inside it, a lot of citizens are against it...let´s see what happens

[Raider of the lost Ark]

Just now, promise to try said:

well, macron sounded quite bad to me, and, well, europe will increase the budget to continue giving weapons to ukrayne to fight against Russia. So, I can imagine people thinking that european union is fighting russia.

You mean Russian people? 

From a legal point of view (international law), providing weapons to a country that has been attacked, for the purpose of self defense, does not mean the country that provides those weapons becomes a fighting part in this war. The question came up in Germany when this war started and the German government and parliament was hesitant to provide weapons because of WWII. It is still problematic in regards to certain weapons like Taurus, which are currently not provided, out of fear, Ukraine may use them to attack Moscow. Taurus is super precise and almost impossible to intercept. 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

Just now, promise to try said:

is not people in general, is Puttin and Trump the ones that scare me!

Anyways, I don´t know if the EU will continuie after this crisis. I mean, a lot of people inside it, a lot of citizens are against it...let´s see what happens

Is this really the case? My impression is that since Brexit the discussion to leave the EU in several countries has decreased. All those right-wing parties that were in favor of leaving no longer adress the isssue because it is deeply unpopular. Also, I see a lot of understanding for the need of a European Army. People realize that a strong EU is a must to stay relevant, especially since the U.S. is no longer a reliable partner. Not economically, not militarily. Of course, there need to be reforms. My biggest issue is the unanimity principle and the fact that it is way to hard to "punish" member states no longer acting according to EU treaties and values. Member states like Hungary. 

[Cyber-Raga]

2 hours ago, promise to try said:

well, macron sounded quite bad to me, and, well, europe will increase the budget to continue giving weapons to ukrayne to fight against Russia. So, I can imagine people thinking that european union is fighting russia.

Maybe, just maybe, Russia should then stop invading sovereign European countries. 

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[promise to try]

22 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Is this really the case? My impression is that since Brexit the discussion to leave the EU in several countries has decreased. All those right-wing parties that were in favor of leaving no longer adress the isssue because it is deeply unpopular. Also, I see a lot of understanding for the need of a European Army. People realize that a strong EU is a must to stay relevant, especially since the U.S. is no longer a reliable partner. Not economically, not militarily. Of course, there need to be reforms. My biggest issue is the unanimity principle and the fact that it is way to hard to "punish" member states no longer acting according to EU treaties and values. Member states like Hungary. 

since trump is in charge of the US again  they are mentioning all the time on the news, because the political party that is in favour of leaving the union is an allied of Trump´s. But I don´t know if people really think about that...they are the third political party in spain. In the basque country they are residual, maybe that´s why I don´t here anybody talking about that here

[Pieciolot]

Polish PM just announced that every adult male in the country will go through some kind of military training. There's a real sense of emergency at the moment and it's truly scary.

[Jazzy Jan]

I can't believe the amount of MAGA supporters who blindly agree with everything Trump does.  It someone told me even 5 years ago that the USA would side with Russia invading another democratic country,  I would never believe it.  I just watched a great documentary about the people in the USA who criticised Churchill for not giving into the Nazis and were saying he should surrender to Hitler because the world needed the war to stop.  In other words, they believed that all of Europe should be run by the Nazis.  If people had stopped Hitler when he first invaded other countries,  things could of been different.  You can never negotiate or take the word of a dictator or fascist.  Putin is exactly the same.  It is painful to see some people blaming Zelensky for Russia invading Ukraine.  Trump adores dictators - he loves Putin and everyone knows it . To think the USA ( Trump not the American people )  would side with Russia and criticise their allies such as Canada, Mexico and democratic European countries should shock American people to the core.  Then to hear him demanding minerals etc from Ukraine is the mindset of a sociopath and someone who has no interest in democracy or helping countries who are being unfairly and cruelly invaded unless he takes so much from them. 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

I think we have entered a special place of evil now. No longer providing arms to Ukraine is one thing (still despicable) but to no longer provide satellite data to monitor the areas for Ukraine to initiate proper counter measures is so disgusting. People are wounded and killed right now because of that. It is no coincidence Russia is carrying out so many missile strikes at the moment. Because of Trumps decisions, Ukraine is much more vulnerable right now. 

Qualified people in U.S. intelligence agencies must be absolutely horrified? Horrified for the safety of U.S. citizens. Intelligence agencies in Europe and elsewhere may no longer share information with the U.S., if the U.S. no longer cares about the safety of its allies. Does Trump know that there is a constant exchange of information to prevent attacks by terrorists and such? There is only one outcome, the U.S. will become a much more unsafe place to live if allies no longer warn the U.S. about possible threads. And there are many countries out there, or organizations that still have an axe to grind with the U.S. 

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[promise to try]

he is like a 5 years old child.With nuclear bombs.

[SOON]

This bipolar and spineless buffoon

 

Sen. Lindsey Graham warns of potentially disastrous consequences for Ukraine if the Trump administration doesn’t restart military aid and intelligence sharing with the Eastern European nation.

“As long as the fighting is going on, if we pull the plug on Ukraine, it would be worse than Afghanistan,” Graham said during an interview on “Fox News Sunday.”

“Until we have a ceasefire, I would give Ukraine what they need in terms of intelligence and weapons to defend themselves,” Graham added. “In terms of Russia, I’ll be introducing sanctions on their banking sector and their energy sector next week, urging them to get to the table. If they don’t engage in ceasefire and peace talks with the administration, we should sanction the hell out of them.”

More: nbcnews.app.link/aGwhBm51CRb

 

[sotos8]

14 hours ago, SOON said:

This bipolar and spineless buffoon

 

Sen. Lindsey Graham warns of potentially disastrous consequences for Ukraine if the Trump administration doesn’t restart military aid and intelligence sharing with the Eastern European nation.

“As long as the fighting is going on, if we pull the plug on Ukraine, it would be worse than Afghanistan,” Graham said during an interview on “Fox News Sunday.”

“Until we have a ceasefire, I would give Ukraine what they need in terms of intelligence and weapons to defend themselves,” Graham added. “In terms of Russia, I’ll be introducing sanctions on their banking sector and their energy sector next week, urging them to get to the table. If they don’t engage in ceasefire and peace talks with the administration, we should sanction the hell out of them.”

More: nbcnews.app.link/aGwhBm51CRb

 

that would be the reasonable way , but..

[Confessit]

It’s just breaking news now….

Ukraine have agreed to a ceasefire after extensive talks with American officials in Saudi Arabia.

Its over to Putin & Russia now it seems to agree the terms 

[sotos8]

On 3/11/2025 at 8:23 PM, Confessit said:

It’s just breaking news now….

Ukraine have agreed to a ceasefire after extensive talks with American officials in Saudi Arabia.

Its over to Putin & Russia now it seems to agree the terms 

he didn't ...

[Confessit]

2 minutes ago, sotos8 said:

he didn't ...

Yeh I’ve just seen that. I’m not surprised.

[sotos8]

1 hour ago, Confessit said:

Yeh I’ve just seen that. I’m not surprised.

He has the upper hand so i'm not surprised he didn't .He is also eating Trump for breakfast..

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[Sanctuary1995]

12 hours ago, SOON said:

 

 

I wonder if the humanity is able to wake up from this fecal intoxication of admiring this piece of poop matter and put him on a defendant bench one day for treason!!!

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