promise to try Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 On 12/25/2024 at 9:33 AM, jonski43 said: I have never said I was in favour of what extreme muslim people think. I´m only against people killing people.And of course, I know I would live with more freedom in a state like Israel than in a state like palestine (well, if they have the posibility to have one) Quote
jonski43 Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 3 hours ago, ULIZOS said: So, this justifies genocide? What point are you trying to prove in posting this here? Hamas are using the Palestinian people to hide behind. They don't care if their own people are killed. And the Lebanon and Egypt aren't opening their borders to help because they regard them as dangerous too. Ultimately, Hamas could surrender and return the hostages but they won't and are letting their own people die. But gay people supporting the Palestinians need to understand they are supporting a culture that doesn't tolerate homosexuality and will not welcome them when this is over. However, Israel is a country very welcoming to gay people. The anti-Semitism we're seeing is disgraceful. Jewish people aren't responsible for their Netanyahu's actions. Quote
ULIZOS Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 16 minutes ago, jonski43 said: Hamas are using the Palestinian people to hide behind. They don't care if their own people are killed. And the Lebanon and Egypt aren't opening their borders to help because they regard them as dangerous too. Ultimately, Hamas could surrender and return the hostages but they won't and are letting their own people die. But gay people supporting the Palestinians need to understand they are supporting a culture that doesn't tolerate homosexuality and will not welcome them when this is over. However, Israel is a country very welcoming to gay people. The anti-Semitism we're seeing is disgraceful. Jewish people aren't responsible for their Netanyahu's actions. Dude, stop. You're sharing nothing new. You're exhausting. You say this like you're sharing something new and if like this makes GENOCIDE OKAY Quote
Camacho Posted January 15 Author Posted January 15 https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-hamas-reach-ceasefire-agreement-designed-end-15-month-gaza-war-official-2025-01-15/ Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal designed to end 15-month Gaza war By Reuters January 15, 202511:50 AM ESTUpdated 26 min ago DOHA/JERUSALEM, Jan 15 (Reuters) - Israel and Hamas agreed to a deal to halt fighting in Gaza and exchange Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners, an official briefed on the deal told Reuters on Wednesday, opening the way to a possible end to a 15-month war that has upended the Middle East. The agreement follows months of on-off negotiations brokered by Egyptian and Qatari mediators, with the backing of the United States, and came just ahead of the Jan. 20 inauguration of U.S. President-elect Donald Trump. Israeli troops invaded Gaza after Hamas-led gunmen broke through security barriers and burst into Israeli communities on Oct. 7, 2023, killing 1,200 soldiers and civilians and abducting more than 250 foreign and Israeli hostages. Israel's campaign in Gaza has killed more than 46,000 people, according to Gaza health ministry figures, and left the narrow coastal enclave a wasteland of rubble, with hundreds of thousands surviving the winter cold in tents and makeshift shelters. As his inauguration approached, Trump repeated his demand that a deal be done swiftly, warning repeatedly that there would be "hell to pay" if the hostages were not released. His Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff worked with President Joe Biden's team to push the deal over the line. In Israel, the return of the hostages may ease some of the public anger against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his right-wing government over the Oct. 7 security failure that led to the deadliest single day in the country's history. The conflict spread across the Middle East, with Iran-backed proxies in Lebanon, Iraq and Yemen attacking Israel in solidarity with the Palestinians. The deal comes after Israel killed the top leaders of Hamas and Lebanon's Hezbollah in assassinations which gave it the upper hand. Quote
sotos8 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 2 hours ago, Camacho said: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-hamas-reach-ceasefire-agreement-designed-end-15-month-gaza-war-official-2025-01-15/ Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal designed to end 15-month Gaza war By Reuters January 15, 202511:50 AM ESTUpdated 26 min ago DOHA/JERUSALEM, Jan 15 (Reuters) - Israel and Hamas agreed to a deal to halt fighting in Gaza and exchange Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners, an official briefed on the deal told Reuters on Wednesday, opening the way to a possible end to a 15-month war that has upended the Middle East. The agreement follows months of on-off negotiations brokered by Egyptian and Qatari mediators, with the backing of the United States, and came just ahead of the Jan. 20 inauguration of U.S. President-elect Donald Trump. Israeli troops invaded Gaza after Hamas-led gunmen broke through security barriers and burst into Israeli communities on Oct. 7, 2023, killing 1,200 soldiers and civilians and abducting more than 250 foreign and Israeli hostages. Israel's campaign in Gaza has killed more than 46,000 people, according to Gaza health ministry figures, and left the narrow coastal enclave a wasteland of rubble, with hundreds of thousands surviving the winter cold in tents and makeshift shelters. As his inauguration approached, Trump repeated his demand that a deal be done swiftly, warning repeatedly that there would be "hell to pay" if the hostages were not released. His Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff worked with President Joe Biden's team to push the deal over the line. In Israel, the return of the hostages may ease some of the public anger against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his right-wing government over the Oct. 7 security failure that led to the deadliest single day in the country's history. The conflict spread across the Middle East, with Iran-backed proxies in Lebanon, Iraq and Yemen attacking Israel in solidarity with the Palestinians. The deal comes after Israel killed the top leaders of Hamas and Lebanon's Hezbollah in assassinations which gave it the upper hand. thank God , i hope the ceasefire is a real one this time Quote
Cyber-Raga Posted January 26 Posted January 26 Genocide Biden prevented bombs from being delivered? Thank God America‘s Hitler is here now to save the day. So protesters at US college campuses, any comments? Quote
elijah Posted Wednesday at 04:27 AM Posted Wednesday at 04:27 AM I d like to see the Arabs of Detroit that didn't wanna vote for Kamala and thought he couldn't be worse than Biden. Quote
ULIZOS Posted Wednesday at 05:42 AM Posted Wednesday at 05:42 AM 1 hour ago, elijah said: I d like to see the Arabs of Detroit that didn't wanna vote for Kamala and thought he couldn't be worse than Biden. It was genocide or this. I don’t know how this comment is relevant. I’m so sure they’re thinking “damn, genocide wasn’t that bad” Quote
ULIZOS Posted Wednesday at 05:46 AM Posted Wednesday at 05:46 AM If anything your comment @elijah just goes to show you how out of touch democrats are coming off. Maybe try reaching out to a Muslim in Detroit and asking their opinion versus just making assumptions :shrug: Quote
elijah Posted Wednesday at 06:17 AM Posted Wednesday at 06:17 AM 26 minutes ago, ULIZOS said: If anything your comment @elijah just goes to show you how out of touch democrats are coming off. Maybe try reaching out to a Muslim in Detroit and asking their opinion versus just making assumptions :shrug: Well, sorry but USA was not DIRECTLY involved into that genocide. Could Biden have done more to prevent it? Sure! But was USA itself trowing bombs on Gaza? No. Now USA would directly own Gaza and resettle its population into Egypt and Jordan. Direct involvement. It's one thing to stand by watching an atrocity, it's another to actually do the atrocity. Or I am missing something??? Quote
ULIZOS Posted Wednesday at 06:33 AM Posted Wednesday at 06:33 AM 11 minutes ago, elijah said: Well, sorry but USA was not DIRECTLY involved into that genocide. Could Biden have done more to prevent it? Sure! But was USA itself trowing bombs on Gaza? No. Now USA would directly own Gaza and resettle its population into Egypt and Jordan. Direct involvement. It's one thing to stand by watching an atrocity, it's another to actually do the atrocity. Or I am missing something??? I’m not going down this rabbit hole again there are like 100 pages of it on this forum so I’ll just have Chat gpt summarize it for us. Mind you, I’m not even being biased I legit asked it “is the U.S. involved in the war in Gaza” The U.S. is deeply involved in the war in Gaza primarily through its military, financial, and diplomatic support for Israel. Here are the key ways: 1. Military Aid – The U.S. provides Israel with billions of dollars in military assistance, including weapons, ammunition, and missile defense systems like the Iron Dome. Since the war began in October 2023, the Biden administration has approved additional military aid, including precision-guided bombs and artillery shells. 2. Diplomatic Support – The U.S. has consistently backed Israel in international forums, including vetoing or delaying UN resolutions calling for ceasefires or investigations into alleged war crimes. Washington argues that Israel has the right to defend itself while urging it to minimize civilian casualties. 3. Humanitarian Aid – While supporting Israel militarily, the U.S. has also pledged humanitarian aid to Palestinians, providing food, medical supplies, and other relief efforts in Gaza. However, delivering aid has been complicated by the ongoing fighting and Israeli restrictions. 4. Pressure for a Ceasefire – The U.S. has engaged in diplomacy, pushing for temporary ceasefires and negotiations, including efforts to secure the release of hostages held by Hamas. However, its reluctance to impose stronger conditions on Israel has led to criticism from both domestic and international observers. 5. Regional Military Presence – The U.S. has deployed warships and troops to the region, citing deterrence against escalations involving Iran, Hezbollah, or other groups. There have also been U.S. strikes on Iran-linked militias in Syria and Iraq following attacks on American forces. The U.S.’s role is controversial—some argue it enables Israel’s military actions, while others say it is working to balance support for Israel with humanitarian concerns. Quote
ULIZOS Posted Wednesday at 06:37 AM Posted Wednesday at 06:37 AM So no the U.S. doesn’t directly drop the bombs, they just supply them and enable Israel to drop them while so much of the rest of the world has threatened Netanyahu that if he steps foot in their country they will arrest him for war crimes because they can’t do anything to stop him because of the u.s.’s backing yet you’re confused why Muslims and Palestinians didn’t vote for Kamala because they were so disillusioned and they’re just absolutely over it Quote
elijah Posted Wednesday at 06:41 AM Posted Wednesday at 06:41 AM I see that USA have aided Israel like it has since the 40ties. Was it directly involved into the "military operation" in Gaza? It wasn't. Now Trump would send troops to Gaza and resettle the Palestinians from Gaza and take their land to govern it (and give it to Israel eventually). I don't see the equivalence. Quote
Raider of the lost Ark Posted Wednesday at 11:08 AM Posted Wednesday at 11:08 AM If this isn't the moment for European and other nations to step in and immediately acknowledge Palestine as a sovereign state. And by the way, the reason why Trump and Netanyahu met, was to discuss the second phase of the ceasefire and release of hostages. That obviously didn't happen. Quite frankly, I personally do not believe that Netanyahu and the right-wing politicians in Israel care about those hostages at all. Their goal to get their hands onto Gaza and West Jordan is within reach. Those hostages are held as cannon fodder by the Israeli government. Quote
runa Posted Wednesday at 12:28 PM Posted Wednesday at 12:28 PM Donald Trump proposes ethnic cleansing for Gaza, but in the jovial tone of a real estate developer. This is disgusting and vile. Quote
elijah Posted Thursday at 05:29 PM Posted Thursday at 05:29 PM Trump is probably trolling and pressing the Palestinians to negotiate, I hope. The option where he is for real sounds inhumane. Quote
ULIZOS Posted Thursday at 05:40 PM Posted Thursday at 05:40 PM 11 minutes ago, elijah said: Trump is probably trolling and pressing the Palestinians to negotiate, I hope. The option where he is for real sounds inhumane. No. They're already making preparations. This was always the plan since WAY before 2023 and what most of the world has been saying but we've all sat back and allowed to happen. It's the text book definition of ethnic cleansing and genocide happening before our eyes. I don't understand why we're still arguing about it. Israel's defense minister tells the army to prepare to relocate Palestinians from Gaza Quote
elijah Posted Thursday at 05:42 PM Posted Thursday at 05:42 PM 1 minute ago, ULIZOS said: No. They're already making preparations. This was always the plan since WAY before 2023. Israel's defense minister tells the army to prepare to relocate Palestinians from Gaza Tragic. Hope it doesn't materialise. Quote
ULIZOS Posted Thursday at 05:43 PM Posted Thursday at 05:43 PM Just now, elijah said: Tragic. Hope it doesn't materialise. I edited my comment as you you responded (don't want to come off as sneaky, sorry) Quote
elijah Posted Thursday at 05:48 PM Posted Thursday at 05:48 PM 5 minutes ago, ULIZOS said: I edited my comment as you you responded (don't want to come off as sneaky, sorry) Quote
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