Israel and Hamas war

[cardiganstarlet]

12 hours ago, promise to try said:

I´m so sick of all religions

Nothing but patriarchy, control and misery.

[Je5u5]

On 10/19/2024 at 3:27 PM, promise to try said:

I'd like to express my extreme point of view, I´m not Christian and I'm not a Jew

Fixed

[Camacho]

 

[Raider of the lost Ark]

13 hours ago, Camacho said:

 

Their homes are no longer their homes anyway. I am sure those houses are already occupied by super orthodox settlers. I saw a documentary a few weeks ago where orthodox jews sue Palestinians on some weird legal ground that says, the house sits on jewish soil or something. Sometimes Palestinians don't even know about the suits. They come home and find themselves locked out of their own home and the house is occupied by orthodox jews. I think to remember that one guy in the Israeli government is very much part of this scheme. Much of it is financed from evangelicals in the U.S.

I am wondering, does the Israeli government know, how opinion in the World is shifting and that it is very hard to find a supporter for their current actions anymore. Don't get me wrong, most people absolutely believe a jewish state should exist and Israel should not live under a constant threat from various players BUT the Netanyahu government is losing all good will at this very moment. I am sure, Israel will be forced to accept a two state solution in the future, which will also mean the dissolution of all illegal settlements. This will be very ugly because the orthodox jews will not accept that. They really need to be put in their place, because as in other countries, the super religious are always the cause for most conflicts. 

[Crystal Coffin]

On 10/19/2024 at 9:27 PM, promise to try said:

I´m so sick of all religions

 

On 10/20/2024 at 9:40 AM, cardiganstarlet said:

Nothing but patriarchy, control and misery.

So whenever Islam is criticized, understand that it's not a form of bigotry, a "far-right propaganda" or whatever garbage that mainstream media tells you, and stop playing the repulsive "This is Islamophobia" card to silent its critics. 

When Islam is the problem, say its name clearly. SPECIFICALLY. Don't just go "ALL religions are bad". I'm an ex-Muslim and still have to live outwardly as a Muslim for obvious safety reasons, I know how exceptionally vile Islam is in the 21st century world. 

[sotos8]

1 hour ago, Crystal Coffin said:

 

So whenever Islam is criticized, understand that it's not a form of bigotry, a "far-right propaganda" or whatever garbage that mainstream media tells you, and stop playing the repulsive "This is Islamophobia" card to silent its critics. 

When Islam is the problem, say its name clearly. SPECIFICALLY. Don't just go "ALL religions are bad". I'm an ex-Muslim and still have to live outwardly as a Muslim for obvious safety reasons, I know how exceptionally vile Islam is in the 21st century world. 

maybe they are afraid ..i'm afraid of islam too

[Crystal Coffin]

6 hours ago, sotos8 said:

maybe they are afraid ..i'm afraid of islam too

And yes, you should be afraid. Which is why "Islamophobia" is a very insidious term, and evil too. We know that the fear is completely rational. 

There are good or decent Muslims, obviously. But that doesn't change the fact that Islam the religion contains a lot of horrible teachings, those Muslims are good or decent not because of Islam, but in spite of it. 

[jonski43]

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On 10/20/2024 at 2:40 AM, cardiganstarlet said:

Nothing but patriarchy, control and misery.

That's exactly it. Israel verses Hamas are both rich guys fighting and not giving a damn about their people. Both sides are as bad as each other. 

[cardiganstarlet]

13 hours ago, Crystal Coffin said:

 

So whenever Islam is criticized, understand that it's not a form of bigotry, a "far-right propaganda" or whatever garbage that mainstream media tells you, and stop playing the repulsive "This is Islamophobia" card to silent its critics. 

When Islam is the problem, say its name clearly. SPECIFICALLY. Don't just go "ALL religions are bad". I'm an ex-Muslim and still have to live outwardly as a Muslim for obvious safety reasons, I know how exceptionally vile Islam is in the 21st century world. 

I think there’s been a misunderstanding. I didn’t say Islam but I’ll clarify it’s the way I feel about any religion, they all serve the same purpose in my opinion.

I certainly didn’t mean muslims, so I’ll be clearer next time as I’d hate for my words to be misconstrued to sound as such.

M says it better than me:

 

[horn]

On 11/9/2024 at 2:33 AM, Raider of the lost Ark said:

Their homes are no longer their homes anyway. I am sure those houses are already occupied by super orthodox settlers. I saw a documentary a few weeks ago where orthodox jews sue Palestinians on some weird legal ground that says, the house sits on jewish soil or something. Sometimes Palestinians don't even know about the suits. They come home and find themselves locked out of their own home and the house is occupied by orthodox jews. I think to remember that one guy in the Israeli government is very much part of this scheme. Much of it is financed from evangelicals in the U.S.

I am wondering, does the Israeli government know, how opinion in the World is shifting and that it is very hard to find a supporter for their current actions anymore. Don't get me wrong, most people absolutely believe a jewish state should exist and Israel should not live under a constant threat from various players BUT the Netanyahu government is losing all good will at this very moment. I am sure, Israel will be forced to accept a two state solution in the future, which will also mean the dissolution of all illegal settlements. This will be very ugly because the orthodox jews will not accept that. They really need to be put in their place, because as in other countries, the super religious are always the cause for most conflicts. 

Don't you worry dear.

As long as USA is there to support and supplies them with unlimited weapons, and had even expressed strong solidarity, Netanyahu can do anything or kill anyone he wants.

[sotos8]

International Criminal Court issues arrest warrant for Netanyahu

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-gaza-netanyahu-11-2024-intl/index.html

[ULIZOS]

8 hours ago, sotos8 said:

International Criminal Court issues arrest warrant for Netanyahu

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-gaza-netanyahu-11-2024-intl/index.html

You still have people here defending GENOCIDE. In 2024.

[MadFan]

Wish we could skip this part of the story and go straight to the Hague part.

[sotos8]

12 hours ago, ULIZOS said:

You still have people here defending GENOCIDE. In 2024.

Nobody talks about this , at least in my country, it's just business as usual

[Cyber-Raga]

And yet when Trump is back in the Oval Office he won’t do jack shit to support the Palestinians. In fact he will support Netanyahu and vice versa. But hey people in the US who cast their ballot for Trump or Jill Stein as a protest vote against Genocide Biden. Oh the irony. 

[Camacho]

 

[Acediace]

https://x.com/EBluemountain1/status/1859885675505697025?t=gUtiru8_ZnoKnBPj1CkUBQ&s=19

[runa]

2 hours ago, Acediace said:

https://x.com/EBluemountain1/status/1859885675505697025?t=gUtiru8_ZnoKnBPj1CkUBQ&s=19

What’s the point to be on a Madonna forum if you never post about her? You’re just here to spread your propaganda. I’m sorry, but that’s sick.

Don’t understand why you’re not banned yet. Not because you are pro-Israel, but because you only post about this.

[Acediace]

Lol oh no please don't ban me 

1.Im in this forum because I love madonna and I want to get updates and I do comment on stuff from time to time. I didn't know that there's activity police over here.

2. This "propaganda" on this subject matters to me. This is my life. I live this, most of you don't, and have no clue of what going on here. You just hold some keywords and go with the flow with no deep understanding of life over here. You guys see stuff on the media, social media and hear stories. I fucking live this thing. I fucking hide I shelters when thefucking terrorits that the west cheer on and defend shoots rockets on our cities. Its me who knows people who got their body ripped into pieces when the fuckers shot at them rpgs. It's me who knwos people who got thrie home burned down and got thier neighbors and friends kidnnaped into tunnels. You guys have not fuckining idea on how much you have no fucking idea of the life over here. You guys have selective views and feeling. Didn't see over here a topic on what's turkey is doing right now  or how fucked up the Islamic regime of Iran is. So spare me the word "propaganda". You already swalloed the propaganda you just didn't realize it yet.

 

So yeah. Deal with it and if it's something that people over here truly have problem with, fine complain and ban me.

Until then, ignore or block

[ULIZOS]

On 11/22/2024 at 3:45 AM, sotos8 said:

Nobody talks about this , at least in my country, it's just business as usual

Yup. Same.
 

A bit unrelated, but what I find interesting is that there’s such a stark difference between how the average person approaches this topic in the US and Mexico (the two countries where I split my time). It helps me realize the blatant media bias and manipulation behind this. 
 

I’m afraid of saying anything in the U.S. The average American has been brainwashed into believing this is about anti-semitism. I’m half Lebanese and I can’t have an opinion on this topic openly outside my small circle of friends for fear of being reprimanded or cancelled. 

[sotos8]

3 minutes ago, ULIZOS said:

Yup. Same.
 

A bit unrelated, but what I find interesting is that there’s such a stark difference between how the average person approaches this topic in the US and Mexico (the two countries where I split my time). It helps me realize the blatant media bias and manipulation behind this. 
 

I’m afraid of saying anything in the U.S. The average American has been brainwashed into believing this is about anti-semitism. I’m half Lebanese and I can’t have an opinion on this topic openly outside my small circle of friends for fear of being reprimanded or cancelled. 

The only advice some friends gave me before i first visited the US , was, don't talk about foreign politics ,they are really weird about it

[ULIZOS]

2 minutes ago, sotos8 said:

The only advice some friends gave me before i first visited the US , was, don't talk about foreign politics ,they are really weird about it

Agreed! And trust me. I don’t. But there’s always someone like a few comments ago who shares their unsolicited feedback or point of view in a tone that’s mocking, does not welcome discourse, and it’s extremely difficult for me to just sit there and not say anything. 
 

Example, the other day a white, privileged gay guy who I’m sure voted for Trump randomly said “we should pour salt all over Palestine and Lebanon and just get it over with.”
 

That’s ok. The idea of an entire population starving to death is funny. Sassy even. But me saying anything remotely critical of a war criminal (ICC’s words, not mine) makes me a Jew hating, hitler loving anti-Semite. 
 

Yay America. 

 

[horn]

On 11/24/2024 at 1:19 AM, ULIZOS said:

I’m afraid of saying anything in the U.S. The average American has been brainwashed into believing this is about anti-semitism. I’m half Lebanese and I can’t have an opinion on this topic openly outside my small circle of friends for fear of being reprimanded or cancelled. 

Not just in US, in this forum too.

[MadFan]

On 11/23/2024 at 9:19 AM, ULIZOS said:

’m afraid of saying anything in the U.S. The average American has been brainwashed into believing this is about anti-semitism. I’m half Lebanese and I can’t have an opinion on this topic openly outside my small circle of friends for fear of being reprimanded or cancelled. 

Sorry you feel that way hun but really, don't be afraid. I have very pro-Israel family members and had to break the dam at one point. This conflict has been going on for a very long time and is caught up in all sorts of collectivist religious nonsense. Yes, Jewish people needed and deserved a central place after the horrors of WWII, but the idea that anyone could colonize Palestine and displace its people (who had been living there for centuries) because it was the Jews' divine land -- and that that would be decided by Britain of all people -- is outrageous. And doomed to fail.

80 years & 1000 battles later, Israel is a military superpower that has developed most of Palestine for agriculture & settlement; and Palestine is locked down, shrinking, impoverished, and more-or-less controlled by a terrorist faction.  People like to point out that Palestine elected this terrorist faction, but that election was 20 years ago, very close, and triggered a small civil war in the aftermath. Not exactly unanimous. I mean you can look at who Americans just voted for if you need some nuance with that talking point. Also, half of Palestine’s population now is under 18 years old, meaning most didn't vote.

With that said, a lot of Israel’s citizens also protest the occupation of Palestine, and certainly many, many Jewish people around the world. And dissent within Israel's military is higher than ever. So this is more and more an ideological divide.

The real question here is, why does a country that has a standing army and a high-tech military need billions of dollars in aid from America to fight a smaller country that has no military?