promise to try Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, karbatal said: Ukraine is planning g the counter attack. Is that what they mean? And how the West doesn’t allow if they are sending arms? It is a war. It sounds totally absurd what that tv says unless I understood wrong what you mean. there has been a leage of information from ukraine: the washington post has, well, post it. zellensky was/is planning to attack russian land. And apparently the NATO is not allowing him to do it. anyways, they have already attacked the kremlin, "somebody" tried to do something with a dron, they also tried to kill puttin a month ago, another "somebody" tried to destroy the pipeline in the north sea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 1 minute ago, promise to try said: there has been a leage of information from ukraine: the washington post has, well, post it. zellensky was/is planning to attack russian land. And apparently the NATO is not allowing him to do it. Ukraine has enough defending the territory. As if they had arms and ammunition to attack Russian land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 we keep giving them weapons, so who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted May 16, 2023 Author Share Posted May 16, 2023 On 5/14/2023 at 11:10 PM, promise to try said: there has been a leage of information from ukraine: the washington post has, well, post it. zellensky was/is planning to attack russian land. And apparently the NATO is not allowing him to do it. anyways, they have already attacked the kremlin, "somebody" tried to do something with a dron, they also tried to kill puttin a month ago, another "somebody" tried to destroy the pipeline in the north sea... Even if UKR was planning an attack on RU land, I wouldn't blame them. RU has been attacking UKR for a year now. Why should UKR NOT attack RU territory. If for example France attacked Spain, would Spain be obliged to keep the war within its territory? Why? In the end of the day UKR keep getting devastated by RU, while RU suffers (no direct) consequences of its aggression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, elijah said: Even if UKR was planning an attack on RU land, I wouldn't blame them. RU has been attacking UKR for a year now. Why should UKR NOT attack RU territory. If for example France attacked Spain, would Spain be obliged to keep the war within its territory? Why? In the end of the day UKR keep getting devastated by RU, while RU suffers (no direct) consequences of its aggression. I don´t know. But the countries providing weapons to ukraine, apparently told them that they should keep this was as a defensive war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Ok let’s stop with the disinformation. Ukraine has difficulty DEFENDING its territory, it’s impossible they attack Russian land. @promise to try that tv is lying to you. Take good note because they may be lying about other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 The absolute lack of credibility of some media is nauseating. Especially when simple common sense makes the lies so evident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, karbatal said: Ok let’s stop with the disinformation. Ukraine has difficulty DEFENDING its territory, it’s impossible they attack Russian land. @promise to try that tv is lying to you. Take good note because they may be lying about other things. I think it´s more complicated than this:I think the western governments are starting to plan how to leave ukraine alone and try to have better relations with russia, and they are spreading the news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 10 hours ago, promise to try said: I think it´s more complicated than this:I think the western governments are starting to plan how to leave ukraine alone and try to have better relations with russia, and they are spreading the news I don’t agree at all. Especially after all the investment to not be dependent of Russian oil and gas. If only the matter would be to please China so they don’t help Putin with arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotos8 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 The fact is Russia has conquered 20 - 25% of Ukrainian land but that is not enough to call it victorious .Ukrainians are defending and they are planning a counterattack to regain some of their territories It's absolutely insane to claim they are planning to attack Russsian land with Western arms ,that's not gonna happen even if they could Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider of the lost Ark Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 When will Europe stop granting visa to Russian citizens? Why can they still travel around Europe as if nothing happened? Travel restrictions are in place for Russian oligarchs and politicians but obviously not for normal people. What has changed for normal people in Russia exactly? Western brands in supermarkets were replaced by Russian brands, which may be still produced by Western companies secretly doing business with Russia. Have normal Russian people experienced an hardships? Well, except for having to live in this rotten state. The German foreign ministry said the reason why they still have not imposed travel bans on normal Russians is that it would be harder to get Russian dissidents out of Russia. Makes me wonder if they have ever seen a Bond movie or ever heard of the Cold War, when such operations took place regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said: When will Europe stop granting visa to Russian citizens? Why can they still travel around Europe as if nothing happened? Travel restrictions are in place for Russian oligarchs and politicians but obviously not for normal people. What has changed for normal people in Russia exactly? Western brands in supermarkets were replaced by Russian brands, which may be still produced by Western companies secretly doing business with Russia. Have normal Russian people experienced an hardships? Well, except for having to live in this rotten state. The German foreign ministry said the reason why they still have not imposed travel bans on normal Russians is that it would be harder to get Russian dissidents out of Russia. Makes me wonder if they have ever seen a Bond movie or ever heard of the Cold War, when such operations took place regularly. Why should regular people suffer? I never understood sanctions that make regular people, among them oppressed people, far worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted May 17, 2023 Author Share Posted May 17, 2023 3 hours ago, karbatal said: Why should regular people suffer? I never understood sanctions that make regular people, among them oppressed people, far worse. Because if you look at interviews with regular RU ppl on Youtube (at least in Moscow and Saint Petersburg), its obvious most want to disassociate with the madman, the war etc. They do not want to talk politics, do not want to think about it and make their best to prove they have zero input in the war. However even if Putin has illegally occupied the most powerful position in the country, they still have a lot to do with the war and are probably the only ones who could stop the madness. If for example 20 million ppl descended on Moscow, I don't think Putin would manage to deal with them with the harsh measures he used for the thousands who dared to protest. The others are more ... how should I say... stupid and are actually supporting the madman and are believing his propaganda (including the antiUKR, antiWest, antilgbtq propaganda). They have to understand there is a price to be paid for the support of the neonazi regime. Why should they be allowed to visit the West if they are antiWestern, want Europe to be weakened etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, elijah said: Because if you look at interviews with regular RU ppl on Youtube (at least in Moscow and Saint Petersburg), its obvious most want to disassociate with the madman, the war etc. They do not want to talk politics, do not want to think about it and make their best to prove they have zero input in the war. However even if Putin has illegally occupied the most powerful position in the country, they still have a lot to do with the war and are probably the only ones who could stop the madness. If for example 20 million ppl descended on Moscow, I don't think Putin would manage to deal with them with the harsh measures he used for the thousands who dared to protest. The others are more ... how should I say... stupid and are actually supporting the madman and are believing his propaganda (including the antiUKR, antiWest, antilgbtq propaganda). They have to understand there is a price to be paid for the support of the neonazi regime. Why should they be allowed to visit the West if they are antiWestern, want Europe to be weakened etc? I understand. But sanctions against the well being of population have never worked. There is not a single example of success. Cuba, Iran, Venezuela…. People suffering poverty and the regime is still there. Sanctions against Russia should be against oligarchs and those funding Putin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 Oh about the issue of sanctions: Spain has bought three times enriched uranium from Russia this year. How? Through a US company to avoid sanctions. Let’s not ask for sanctions that affect regular people, let’s ask ourselves if rich people are suffering them at all. In 2014 when Russia invaded Krimea there were sanctions regarding exports to Russia. Farmers in my region took it very badly because many products went to Russia. But Merkel two weeks later traveled to Russia to meet Putin to get more gas. What kind of joke is this????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promise to try Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 do your countries still follow this war? I don´t remember any news in the last month, well, since Israel-Hamas are fighting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, promise to try said: do your countries still follow this war? I don´t remember any news in the last month, well, since Israel-Hamas are fighting I watch English Euronews and German ZDF every day and it is reported every day. I always have the feeling that you only warch the Basque news and that they are not very complete sometimes. I recall a couple of times when your news didn’t include something precisely about the Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karbatal Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Anyway, Putin surely is kicking himself. If he had agreed with Israel to bomb Ukraine everyone would be cheering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted November 20, 2023 Author Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, promise to try said: do your countries still follow this war? I don´t remember any news in the last month, well, since Israel-Hamas are fighting yes. I don't watch news for years, but I read online news/watch certain programs. Its still news, though Israel-Hamas war has taken over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 Putin has “won” 87 percent of the vote and would rule RU for the next 6 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanctuary1995 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I hope a revolution starts there quite soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confessit Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 3 hours ago, elijah said: Putin has “won” 87 percent of the vote and would rule RU for the next 6 years I don’t think he’s got 6 years to live Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lolo Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 On 3/18/2024 at 10:38 PM, Confessit said: I don’t think he’s got 6 years to live He can’t even visit the place where the terrorist attack happened in the very city he (probably) lives and works in. Can’t show his face in public and on the streets. He lives in constant fear. Serves him right. I bet he thinks the whole attack was a trap to get him out of his cave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijah Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 56 minutes ago, Lolo said: He can’t even visit the place where the terrorist attack happened in the very city he (probably) lives and works in. Can’t show his face in public and on the streets. He lives in constant fear. Serves him right. I bet he thinks the whole attack was a trap to get him out of his cave. Don’t underestimate the fact that huge amount of Russians are brainwashed to believe he is restoring RU might, fighting the West that humiliated RU and that all prowestern ppl in Russia are traitors. This has been going on since 2007. I d think he has really “won” the election, not that there were any candidates that were really in opposition to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lolo Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 2 hours ago, elijah said: Don’t underestimate the fact that huge amount of Russians are brainwashed to believe he is restoring RU might, fighting the West that humiliated RU and that all prowestern ppl in Russia are traitors. This has been going on since 2007. I d think he has really “won” the election, not that there were any candidates that were really in opposition to him. I don’t underestimate it. I know he would have won the election even without all the manipulation. But it shows how insecure he is. He doesn’t trust anyone at this point. At least it seems like it. He can’t go anywhere public without days or weeks of preparation. And he knows there’s still opposition out there. The Wagner coup pushed him over the edge it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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