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5 hours ago, Yoshisno1fan said:

Well, is there really a gay icon who is universally loved by the LGBT community? Cher, maybe. Gaga is loved, but polarizing. Madonna is polarizing, but I was under the impression that the gays loved her in the 1990s. Even as the rest of the world called her "over with," her music and videos were always played at gay clubs. I haven't been to a gay club in a while, but I wonder if they even play her music or videos anymore. 

When did the rest of the world call her "over with" in the 90s?  maybe for 2 years from 92-94, but by Bedtime Stories things were back on track

.she peaked from 89-92, she was MASSIVE and had a kind of repeak from 96-01 with EVITA, ROL and Music

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9 minutes ago, jonski43 said:

Unless it's a summery album? Those Latin rhythms could be the sound of the summer.

I think Madonna is loved in general but people tire of the perceived contrived controversy and trend chasing.

She just needs a great pop song, no hip beats, no grillz, just some tunes. 

RH had 80 amazing tunes and great pop songs that people got for free..

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30 minutes ago, dollhouse said:

Is this realistic and where was this stated officially?

Albums released june,july dont get usually much attention

 

Tribe. I don't remember if they mentioned June, but they did say single in May and album sometime later in the summer.

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Here’s an interpretation of the gay male perception of Madonna for anyone with the patience to read:

 Gay men have always had a generationally-appointed diva, and each new generation rejects the previous one’s because gay culture has traditionally been defined by late-onset individuation due to the experience of societal intolerance. The narcissistic pursuit of belonging to the Zeitgeist is ironically the antithesis of individuation and Madonna’s entire philosophy, but Madonna always offered the opportunity to conform and rebel in equal measure, and sometimes concurrently. This gave us options. She also shared a strong sense of queer politics and aesthetics due to the culture she gravitated toward and was shaped by.  

Gay people used to look to the cultural past for glimmers of familiarity, acceptance and acknowledgement coded into the works of those who didn’t fit in and who either overcame the odds (individuated triumph) or were consumed by self-destructive tragedy (toxic shame). The mainstreaming of gay identity politics has essentially erased the need for an isolated community of support, and now belonging to the gay collective is more like a country club membership system, hierarchy and discrimination included.  In addition to this shifting dynamic less and less people under the age of 30 seem able to retain any information that isn’t condensed into an easily transferable sound bite to convey their “identity”, and so the past has become too arduous and dense to experience. It requires investment to attain multi-layered context; the historical, the cultural, and the individual. 

Madonna was extraordinary in that she captured two distinct generations of youth culture in the mainstream, something that no other “gay diva” ever did, and probably never will again. Her rise coincided with a massive socio-cultural and economic shift in America, which she seemed to encapsulate perfectly, whether perceived with irony or taken literally. Her anthemic presence was a counterbalance to the dirge of AIDS. Some gay men who were either her peers or older hated her publicly, but followed her every move privately. Often those who hated her felt threatened by her because she challenged them to take ownership of themselves. Essentially Madonna rubbed people’s noses in their own shit, gay or straight, black or white. She wasn’t seeking the approval of anyone, and that irked a lot of people. When Madonna pursued a life that wasn’t relatable to some gay men by focusing on her family, seeking to address the problem of AIDS across Africa rather than America or Europe, and shifting her interest away from club culture, she became a pariah to them. A specific gay demographic that didn’t wish to conform to heteronormative values found itself faced with the dilemma of finding purpose beyond the clubs, the gym and grindr. Ironically, Madonna’s path is quite parallel, only she found something else, and this made her repellent to them, awakening their deepest insecurities.

 For all the sociological exploration herein, one thing is certain. Madonna is exceptional, and will eventually be re-embraced as supreme in her support of the community and mainstream representational pioneering of queer and underground culture.

What happened a decade ago is, in my humble opinion, a total fabrication. Corporate culture essentially annointed the next Madonna because no one seemed to ever manage to eclipse her, which was extremely problematic for an industry that is all about youth...She wasn’t playing by the rules by outshining everyone ALL the time! Even when she didn’t sell, she was still top dog. I’m not sure why they picked Gaga to be elevated, but there must have been a checklist, and she matched the criteria required. The consistent erasure of the dialog about her mimicry as mediocrity, the lack of substance in her work and message, and her inability to connect with both mainstream and fringe cultures simultaneously (perhaps as a result of LGBTQ culture having fully integrated into the mainstream) make the Industry-wide support of her beyond questionable, but they have succeeded in creating a myth thanks to the generally uninquiring mind syndrome that plagues this rather peculiar generation. They have nothing to fight against as they are all defined by victimhood as the celebratory catalyst, whereas Madonna was about empowerment and transcendence. Some day soon intellect and curiosity will be traits to aspire to once again, and Madonna’s legacy will obliterate the falsehoods. That she seems intent on reminding the gays of her illustrious journey with the launch of her next era is definitely indicative of that resurgence. 

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4 hours ago, Lolo said:

Seems like some weird defense mechanism, they might feel ‚younger‘ themselves when slagging her off for her age, though only being 15 or 20 years younger. It makes them think 40 is still fresh with the kids :lol:

Yes, they " think" I am young and cool because I make fan of someone who is old and over, according to them. My question is: where is their elixir of youth? 😂 

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single late april along with her saying she is doing new york pride and annoucing album title and artwork , album june or the week following euroision if indeed she is doing it along with tour annoucment 

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22 minutes ago, trickyricky said:

single late april along with her saying she is doing new york pride and annoucing album title and artwork , album june or the week following euroision if indeed she is doing it along with tour annoucment 

and all of this is just speculation at this point

and the album is STILL not finished

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23 minutes ago, dollhouse said:

and all of this is just speculation at this point

and the album is STILL not finished

single is finished , artwork is done , perhaps a fee songs need mastering that is all still lots of time till now and june 

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In her  instastory she wrote guilty ( about leaving the twins ) so she s working....editing , mastering , reharsing....all of this .whoKnows

#soon

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1 hour ago, Herfaceremains said:

Here’s an interpretation of the gay male perception of Madonna for anyone with the patience to read:

 Gay men have always had a generationally-appointed diva, and each new generation rejects the previous one’s because gay culture has traditionally been defined by late-onset individuation due to the experience of societal intolerance. The narcissistic pursuit of belonging to the Zeitgeist is ironically the antithesis of individuation and Madonna’s entire philosophy, but Madonna always offered the opportunity to conform and rebel in equal measure, and sometimes concurrently. This gave us options. She also shared a strong sense of queer politics and aesthetics due to the culture she gravitated toward and was shaped by.  

Gay people used to look to the cultural past for glimmers of familiarity, acceptance and acknowledgement coded into the works of those who didn’t fit in and who either overcame the odds (individuated triumph) or were consumed by self-destructive tragedy (toxic shame). The mainstreaming of gay identity politics has essentially erased the need for an isolated community of support, and now belonging to the gay collective is more like a country club membership system, hierarchy and discrimination included.  In addition to this shifting dynamic less and less people under the age of 30 seem able to retain any information that isn’t condensed into an easily transferable sound bite to convey their “identity”, and so the past has become too arduous and dense to experience. It requires investment to attain multi-layered context; the historical, the cultural, and the individual. 

Madonna was extraordinary in that she captured two distinct generations of youth culture in the mainstream, something that no other “gay diva” ever did, and probably never will again. Her rise coincided with a massive socio-cultural and economic shift in America, which she seemed to encapsulate perfectly, whether perceived with irony or taken literally. Her anthemic presence was a counterbalance to the dirge of AIDS. Some gay men who were either her peers or older hated her publicly, but followed her every move privately. Often those who hated her felt threatened by her because she challenged them to take ownership of themselves. Essentially Madonna rubbed people’s noses in their own shit, gay or straight, black or white. She wasn’t seeking the approval of anyone, and that irked a lot of people. When Madonna pursued a life that wasn’t relatable to some gay men by focusing on her family, seeking to address the problem of AIDS across Africa rather than America or Europe, and shifting her interest away from club culture, she became a pariah to them. A specific gay demographic that didn’t wish to conform to heteronormative values found itself faced with the dilemma of finding purpose beyond the clubs, the gym and grindr. Ironically, Madonna’s path is quite parallel, only she found something else, and this made her repellent to them, awakening their deepest insecurities.

 For all the sociological exploration herein, one thing is certain. Madonna is exceptional, and will eventually be re-embraced as supreme in her support of the community and mainstream representational pioneering of queer and underground culture.

What happened a decade ago is, in my humble opinion, a total fabrication. Corporate culture essentially annointed the next Madonna because no one seemed to ever manage to eclipse her, which was extremely problematic for an industry that is all about youth...She wasn’t playing by the rules by outshining everyone ALL the time! Even when she didn’t sell, she was still top dog. I’m not sure why they picked Gaga to be elevated, but there must have been a checklist, and she matched the criteria required. The consistent erasure of the dialog about her mimicry as mediocrity, the lack of substance in her work and message, and her inability to connect with both mainstream and fringe cultures simultaneously (perhaps as a result of LGBTQ culture having fully integrated into the mainstream) make the Industry-wide support of her beyond questionable, but they have succeeded in creating a myth thanks to the generally uninquiring mind syndrome that plagues this rather peculiar generation. They have nothing to fight against as they are all defined by victimhood as the celebratory catalyst, whereas Madonna was about empowerment and transcendence. Some day soon intellect and curiosity will be traits to aspire to once again, and Madonna’s legacy will obliterate the falsehoods. That she seems intent on reminding the gays of her illustrious journey with the launch of her next era is definitely indicative of that resurgence. 

a must read! Thank you!

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1 hour ago, Herfaceremains said:

Here’s an interpretation of the gay male perception of Madonna for anyone with the patience to read:

 Gay men have always had a generationally-appointed diva, and each new generation rejects the previous one’s because gay culture has traditionally been defined by late-onset individuation due to the experience of societal intolerance. The narcissistic pursuit of belonging to the Zeitgeist is ironically the antithesis of individuation and Madonna’s entire philosophy, but Madonna always offered the opportunity to conform and rebel in equal measure, and sometimes concurrently. This gave us options. She also shared a strong sense of queer politics and aesthetics due to the culture she gravitated toward and was shaped by.  

Gay people used to look to the cultural past for glimmers of familiarity, acceptance and acknowledgement coded into the works of those who didn’t fit in and who either overcame the odds (individuated triumph) or were consumed by self-destructive tragedy (toxic shame). The mainstreaming of gay identity politics has essentially erased the need for an isolated community of support, and now belonging to the gay collective is more like a country club membership system, hierarchy and discrimination included.  In addition to this shifting dynamic less and less people under the age of 30 seem able to retain any information that isn’t condensed into an easily transferable sound bite to convey their “identity”, and so the past has become too arduous and dense to experience. It requires investment to attain multi-layered context; the historical, the cultural, and the individual. 

Madonna was extraordinary in that she captured two distinct generations of youth culture in the mainstream, something that no other “gay diva” ever did, and probably never will again. Her rise coincided with a massive socio-cultural and economic shift in America, which she seemed to encapsulate perfectly, whether perceived with irony or taken literally. Her anthemic presence was a counterbalance to the dirge of AIDS. Some gay men who were either her peers or older hated her publicly, but followed her every move privately. Often those who hated her felt threatened by her because she challenged them to take ownership of themselves. Essentially Madonna rubbed people’s noses in their own shit, gay or straight, black or white. She wasn’t seeking the approval of anyone, and that irked a lot of people. When Madonna pursued a life that wasn’t relatable to some gay men by focusing on her family, seeking to address the problem of AIDS across Africa rather than America or Europe, and shifting her interest away from club culture, she became a pariah to them. A specific gay demographic that didn’t wish to conform to heteronormative values found itself faced with the dilemma of finding purpose beyond the clubs, the gym and grindr. Ironically, Madonna’s path is quite parallel, only she found something else, and this made her repellent to them, awakening their deepest insecurities.

 For all the sociological exploration herein, one thing is certain. Madonna is exceptional, and will eventually be re-embraced as supreme in her support of the community and mainstream representational pioneering of queer and underground culture.

What happened a decade ago is, in my humble opinion, a total fabrication. Corporate culture essentially annointed the next Madonna because no one seemed to ever manage to eclipse her, which was extremely problematic for an industry that is all about youth...She wasn’t playing by the rules by outshining everyone ALL the time! Even when she didn’t sell, she was still top dog. I’m not sure why they picked Gaga to be elevated, but there must have been a checklist, and she matched the criteria required. The consistent erasure of the dialog about her mimicry as mediocrity, the lack of substance in her work and message, and her inability to connect with both mainstream and fringe cultures simultaneously (perhaps as a result of LGBTQ culture having fully integrated into the mainstream) make the Industry-wide support of her beyond questionable, but they have succeeded in creating a myth thanks to the generally uninquiring mind syndrome that plagues this rather peculiar generation. They have nothing to fight against as they are all defined by victimhood as the celebratory catalyst, whereas Madonna was about empowerment and transcendence. Some day soon intellect and curiosity will be traits to aspire to once again, and Madonna’s legacy will obliterate the falsehoods. That she seems intent on reminding the gays of her illustrious journey with the launch of her next era is definitely indicative of that resurgence. 

Thanks for the text. I enjoyed reading it and think the argumentation is very solid

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Someone said that the drag queen who was in the video is just an extra in the background. I can see the mess when her fans notice that and the gays start to trash the video and Madonna for that. 

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1 hour ago, Herfaceremains said:

Here’s an interpretation of the gay male perception of Madonna for anyone with the patience to read:

 Gay men have always had a generationally-appointed diva, and each new generation rejects the previous one’s because gay culture has traditionally been defined by late-onset individuation due to the experience of societal intolerance. The narcissistic pursuit of belonging to the Zeitgeist is ironically the antithesis of individuation and Madonna’s entire philosophy, but Madonna always offered the opportunity to conform and rebel in equal measure, and sometimes concurrently. This gave us options. She also shared a strong sense of queer politics and aesthetics due to the culture she gravitated toward and was shaped by.  

Gay people used to look to the cultural past for glimmers of familiarity, acceptance and acknowledgement coded into the works of those who didn’t fit in and who either overcame the odds (individuated triumph) or were consumed by self-destructive tragedy (toxic shame). The mainstreaming of gay identity politics has essentially erased the need for an isolated community of support, and now belonging to the gay collective is more like a country club membership system, hierarchy and discrimination included.  In addition to this shifting dynamic less and less people under the age of 30 seem able to retain any information that isn’t condensed into an easily transferable sound bite to convey their “identity”, and so the past has become too arduous and dense to experience. It requires investment to attain multi-layered context; the historical, the cultural, and the individual. 

Madonna was extraordinary in that she captured two distinct generations of youth culture in the mainstream, something that no other “gay diva” ever did, and probably never will again. Her rise coincided with a massive socio-cultural and economic shift in America, which she seemed to encapsulate perfectly, whether perceived with irony or taken literally. Her anthemic presence was a counterbalance to the dirge of AIDS. Some gay men who were either her peers or older hated her publicly, but followed her every move privately. Often those who hated her felt threatened by her because she challenged them to take ownership of themselves. Essentially Madonna rubbed people’s noses in their own shit, gay or straight, black or white. She wasn’t seeking the approval of anyone, and that irked a lot of people. When Madonna pursued a life that wasn’t relatable to some gay men by focusing on her family, seeking to address the problem of AIDS across Africa rather than America or Europe, and shifting her interest away from club culture, she became a pariah to them. A specific gay demographic that didn’t wish to conform to heteronormative values found itself faced with the dilemma of finding purpose beyond the clubs, the gym and grindr. Ironically, Madonna’s path is quite parallel, only she found something else, and this made her repellent to them, awakening their deepest insecurities.

 For all the sociological exploration herein, one thing is certain. Madonna is exceptional, and will eventually be re-embraced as supreme in her support of the community and mainstream representational pioneering of queer and underground culture.

What happened a decade ago is, in my humble opinion, a total fabrication. Corporate culture essentially annointed the next Madonna because no one seemed to ever manage to eclipse her, which was extremely problematic for an industry that is all about youth...She wasn’t playing by the rules by outshining everyone ALL the time! Even when she didn’t sell, she was still top dog. I’m not sure why they picked Gaga to be elevated, but there must have been a checklist, and she matched the criteria required. The consistent erasure of the dialog about her mimicry as mediocrity, the lack of substance in her work and message, and her inability to connect with both mainstream and fringe cultures simultaneously (perhaps as a result of LGBTQ culture having fully integrated into the mainstream) make the Industry-wide support of her beyond questionable, but they have succeeded in creating a myth thanks to the generally uninquiring mind syndrome that plagues this rather peculiar generation. They have nothing to fight against as they are all defined by victimhood as the celebratory catalyst, whereas Madonna was about empowerment and transcendence. Some day soon intellect and curiosity will be traits to aspire to once again, and Madonna’s legacy will obliterate the falsehoods. That she seems intent on reminding the gays of her illustrious journey with the launch of her next era is definitely indicative of that resurgence. 

Thank you! Great read. Loved it!!

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1 hour ago, Herfaceremains said:

Here’s an interpretation of the gay male perception of Madonna for anyone with the patience to read:

 Gay men have always had a generationally-appointed diva, and each new generation rejects the previous one’s because gay culture has traditionally been defined by late-onset individuation due to the experience of societal intolerance. The narcissistic pursuit of belonging to the Zeitgeist is ironically the antithesis of individuation and Madonna’s entire philosophy, but Madonna always offered the opportunity to conform and rebel in equal measure, and sometimes concurrently. This gave us options. She also shared a strong sense of queer politics and aesthetics due to the culture she gravitated toward and was shaped by.  

Gay people used to look to the cultural past for glimmers of familiarity, acceptance and acknowledgement coded into the works of those who didn’t fit in and who either overcame the odds (individuated triumph) or were consumed by self-destructive tragedy (toxic shame). The mainstreaming of gay identity politics has essentially erased the need for an isolated community of support, and now belonging to the gay collective is more like a country club membership system, hierarchy and discrimination included.  In addition to this shifting dynamic less and less people under the age of 30 seem able to retain any information that isn’t condensed into an easily transferable sound bite to convey their “identity”, and so the past has become too arduous and dense to experience. It requires investment to attain multi-layered context; the historical, the cultural, and the individual. 

Madonna was extraordinary in that she captured two distinct generations of youth culture in the mainstream, something that no other “gay diva” ever did, and probably never will again. Her rise coincided with a massive socio-cultural and economic shift in America, which she seemed to encapsulate perfectly, whether perceived with irony or taken literally. Her anthemic presence was a counterbalance to the dirge of AIDS. Some gay men who were either her peers or older hated her publicly, but followed her every move privately. Often those who hated her felt threatened by her because she challenged them to take ownership of themselves. Essentially Madonna rubbed people’s noses in their own shit, gay or straight, black or white. She wasn’t seeking the approval of anyone, and that irked a lot of people. When Madonna pursued a life that wasn’t relatable to some gay men by focusing on her family, seeking to address the problem of AIDS across Africa rather than America or Europe, and shifting her interest away from club culture, she became a pariah to them. A specific gay demographic that didn’t wish to conform to heteronormative values found itself faced with the dilemma of finding purpose beyond the clubs, the gym and grindr. Ironically, Madonna’s path is quite parallel, only she found something else, and this made her repellent to them, awakening their deepest insecurities.

 For all the sociological exploration herein, one thing is certain. Madonna is exceptional, and will eventually be re-embraced as supreme in her support of the community and mainstream representational pioneering of queer and underground culture.

What happened a decade ago is, in my humble opinion, a total fabrication. Corporate culture essentially annointed the next Madonna because no one seemed to ever manage to eclipse her, which was extremely problematic for an industry that is all about youth...She wasn’t playing by the rules by outshining everyone ALL the time! Even when she didn’t sell, she was still top dog. I’m not sure why they picked Gaga to be elevated, but there must have been a checklist, and she matched the criteria required. The consistent erasure of the dialog about her mimicry as mediocrity, the lack of substance in her work and message, and her inability to connect with both mainstream and fringe cultures simultaneously (perhaps as a result of LGBTQ culture having fully integrated into the mainstream) make the Industry-wide support of her beyond questionable, but they have succeeded in creating a myth thanks to the generally uninquiring mind syndrome that plagues this rather peculiar generation. They have nothing to fight against as they are all defined by victimhood as the celebratory catalyst, whereas Madonna was about empowerment and transcendence. Some day soon intellect and curiosity will be traits to aspire to once again, and Madonna’s legacy will obliterate the falsehoods. That she seems intent on reminding the gays of her illustrious journey with the launch of her next era is definitely indicative of that resurgence. 

Great read tnks 

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32 minutes ago, caba1 said:

the gays start to trash the video and Madonna for that. 

Yes yes yes we get it, the gays fucking hate Madonna and they love Cher and Gaga and Kylie. We are too aware of that fact. Now please tell us something NEW. Thanks 

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1 hour ago, caba1 said:

Someone said that the drag queen who was in the video is just an extra in the background. I can see the mess when her fans notice that and the gays start to trash the video and Madonna for that. 

lies i think the drag queen will play the drag queen who was part of the uprising after stone wall police raids  “ marsha johnson “ who was also at the stonewall club when it was raided( no wonder he dropped everything for the video if this is true) t i posted earliar in the thread what i think will be the concept of the video and what would people expect the drag queen to be doing anyway lol its a madonna video not the drag race and who gives a fuck the cunt haters of her will still watch it lol

 

what drag queen wouldnt want to play such a important role in madonnas new video 

 

i hope the concept is true it could be brilliant if executed correctly 

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59 minutes ago, Crystal Coffin said:

Yes yes yes we get it, the gays fucking hate Madonna and they love Cher and Gaga and Kylie. We are too aware of that fact. Now please tell us something NEW. Thanks 

some so called fans are already killing this era, before it even started. just because they have their own timeline and ideas about the look, the ass, the face, collaborations, drag queens, video, album... what the shit people?! don’t you have something else to do? 

when did it become enough to say “someone said...” for people to start shitting all over the place? how old are they? 12? 

1 hour ago, caba1 said:

Someone said that the drag queen who was in the video is just an extra in the background. I can see the mess when her fans notice that and the gays start to trash the video and Madonna for that

can you? wow aren’t you a clairvoyant. 

also, @Herfaceremains, thanks. great post :x

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11 minutes ago, Isaac said:

some so called fans are already killing this era, before it even started. just because they have their own timeline and ideas about the look, the ass, the face, collaborations, drag queens, video, album... what the shit people?! don’t you have something else to do? 

when did it become enough to say “someone said...” for people to start shitting all over the place? how old are they? 12? 

can you? wow aren’t you a clairvoyant. 

also, @Herfaceremains, thanks. great post :x

wait till the albums out lol

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3 hours ago, trickyricky said:

single late april along with her saying she is doing new york prid

where is her new' Team' by the way?

where r they rebranding her for the new release?

 

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6 minutes ago, dollhouse said:

where is her new' Team' by the way?

where r they rebranding her for the new release?

 

it will all happen at once ! its too soon think they are going to try something different due to the previous album leaks theyre being extra carefull with any info getting out especially about the music ! we know nothing as this is how madonna wants it ! 

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4 hours ago, Samo said:

When did the rest of the world call her "over with" in the 90s?  maybe for 2 years from 92-94, but by Bedtime Stories things were back on track

.she peaked from 89-92, she was MASSIVE and had a kind of repeak from 96-01 with EVITA, ROL and Music

artists would kill for erotica album sales now lol 

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2 hours ago, caba1 said:

Someone said that the drag queen who was in the video is just an extra in the background. I can see the mess when her fans notice that and the gays start to trash the video and Madonna for that. 

Yeah, anyone that would trash her over something as petty as this are people that are looking for a reason to trash her anyways. So, if it weren't this it'd be something else. 

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2 hours ago, caba1 said:

Someone said that the drag queen who was in the video is just an extra in the background. I can see the mess when her fans notice that and the gays start to trash the video and Madonna for that. 

Willam and Alaska said it on their podcast. Willam specifically said “they gooped her”. They basically said it was not worth it for Monét to have left the haters roast.

https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/s11e1-whatcha-unpackin/id1408740329?i=1000431198422&mt=2

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42 minutes ago, trickyricky said:

it will all happen at once ! its too soon think they are going to try something different due to the previous album leaks theyre being extra carefull with any info getting out especially about the music ! we know nothing as this is how madonna wants it ! 

is it enough in this modern world

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13 minutes ago, spotlight said:

Willam and Alaska said it on their podcast. Willam specifically said “they gooped her”. They basically said it was not worth it for Monét to have left the haters roast.

https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/s11e1-whatcha-unpackin/id1408740329?i=1000431198422&mt=2

theyre just jealous

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