luluthecat Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Sadly I still find the album version totally skippable even after all these month - plus I never listened to the leaks. Rebel Heart (the demo) sounds like a smash hit single, just can't get over why the hook was removed?!?? All the other demos sound like demos (apart from the original bonus tracks Iconic pt2 and Joan of Arc - both AMAZING!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrolla Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I agree that most of the other demos DO sound like demos. And I see why she felt most of the Avicii tracks needed a re-work. Look how much better Borrowed Time ended up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sul8323 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Raw and edgy? It's an MOR rock ditty. It's a great song but let's not get carried away. I find it raw, meaning not overproduced and covered up. I find it edgy because it is more intelligent than the usual pop ballad. It speaks of developing and maintaining a social conscience and is not an exercise in mere personal reflection. It is not a song about falling in or out of love. It is not a song about being saved. It is not flat. Rebel Heart is not a Celine Dion or Mariah Carey"esque" ballad. Madonna is critical of her own vanity....her fame....her noteriety. She is critical of both her career and her personal life. The "absolutely no regrets" woman is truly reflective but does not wallow in regret. Calls herself a massichist....a narcissist... never satisfied.... Madonna no longer sings "Rescue Me" but opts to be her own hero. To me, it is edgy because it is a call to a higher social and spiritual plane. Perhaps I am using the wrong terms. I just find it quite unique to the mere ten songs that radio continually plays over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Gold Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 mix of both.. https://soundcloud.com/qbix-qb/rh21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnian Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 mix of both.. https://soundcloud.com/qbix-qb/rh21 Am I the only one who thinks without the robotic "Rebel Heart" it's just not the same? To me that aspect of the demo could have been iconic on a single release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrolla Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Yes, I love that part. The album version could have kept it and had the best of both worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Barthes Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 mix of both.. https://soundcloud.com/qbix-qb/rh21 Weird that this version used the parts i like the least from both versions, there's another mix i listen to made of the accoustic version chorus + demo verses + album breakdown (i say hey yeah). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 well, that's just a question of taste, I guess. BIM is the only song I skip on RH. And I adore CELEBRATION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runa Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hunterlas Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I agree that most of the other demos DO sound like demos. and thats cause.... -wait for it- ...they ARE demos!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrolla Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 and thats cause.... -wait for it- ...they ARE demos!! Why do you think so many people seem to prefer them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loowee Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Why do you think so many people seem to prefer them? Because they are more pop sounding and gay friendly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rachelle of London Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 and thats cause.... -wait for it- ...they ARE demos!! Post of the century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carta Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 It's a matter of taste sure but it's not even a contest to me. I remember riding with a friend in his car in 2009 and he played Celebration (had just literally come out) and another friend was in the car who doesn't listen to Madonna and he said "all she does is dance, this sounds like everything else she's ever done before." Whereas all the times that I have played BIM or even UB at work, or for friends, they are all surprised it's Madonna. I rest my case I remember when "One More Chance" was released, some older friends of mine were surprised it was Madonna. It was the BIM of that era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Querelle Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Because they are more pop sounding and gay friendly Like Vogue, Express Yourself or Hung Up? Yes. I guess that speaks for the Avicii versions and not against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runa Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Exactly. She's a pop singer, wtf do you expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loowee Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Exactly. She's a pop singer, wtf do you expect? That she's not a generic pop singer?Are you guys really just so removed from the current pop scene so you fail to see how dated and generic some of the demos sound (WAOM, Borrowed Time)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrolla Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 WOAM and Borrowed Time ARE much improved upon. The demo most people prefer is Rebel Heart. Dated and generic = Living For Love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loowee Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 WOAM and Borrowed Time ARE much improved upon. The demo most people prefer is Rebel Heart. Dated and generic = Living For Love well that's exactly my point!? Asides from Rebel Heart and Beautiful Scars, I'm not getting your point of asking "why so many people prefer the demos?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrolla Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 My point is that most of the other demos sound incomplete or unfinished. The Avicii "demos", on the other hand, sound like finished products to me, judging by his prior work. So I feel like she simply decided to change direction here. I posted that WOAM and Borrowed Time were improved, but I still liked the "demos". I don't care if something sounds a year old or whatever as long as it is good. Eventually everything will sound dated anyway. Everyone is saying BIM is so fresh when it sounds just like Harlem Shake which is also at least a year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnino Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 My point is that most of the other demos sound incomplete or unfinished. The Avicii "demos", on the other hand, sound like finished products to me, judging by his prior work. So I feel like she simply decided to change direction here. I posted that WOAM and Borrowed Time were improved, but I still liked the "demos". I don't care if something sounds a year old or whatever as long as it is good. Eventually everything will sound dated anyway. Everyone is saying BIM is so fresh when it sounds just like Harlem Shake which is also at least a year old. Don't worry about the "Gritty & Edgy" moaners. After all, what do the "disco queens" know about music? Remember that Madonna can't sound like anything previously recorded and currently on the radio. She's an artist! And she has just released an indie album. She's ARTPOP herserf! If you listen to Celebration and especially TIC, you will notice how some disco queens don't really get Madonna. "My Sugar Is Gritty & Edgy!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apples388 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Because they are more pop sounding and gay friendly What's so funny about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Querelle Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 What's so funny about that? Maybe he/she can't imagine Madonna in pink leotard on roller blades under a disco ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jan Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Exactly. She's a pop singer, wtf do you expect? Yes Madonna is the Queen of Pop and her pop songs are superior and more loved than any other artist you can name. The fact that pop classics such as Holiday, Into the Groove for example are still loved and known by so many today speaks volumes. There is often a lot of put-downs of Madonna as a pop singer by some fans and I can never understand why. I also love her experimental songs and different styles and types of songs. She is brilliant all-round in every way as an artist but as a pop singer, her music is unparalleled. We all are different and yes, some do prefer the album version of Rebel Heart but to many people, the Rebel Heart demo is pure Madonna pop perfection. It does not mean that the album version is bad, just that the demo was more of a pop anthem and therefore loved by a lot of fans. It is great to be able to appreciate both versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrolla Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 "My sugar is gritty and edgy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loowee Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Everyone is saying BIM is so fresh when it sounds just like Harlem Shake which is also at least a year old. This only shows how limited your music knowledge is. BIM is under the category of PC Music which is a brewing trend. It is actually the most forward sounding track on Rebel Heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick00 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Yep pretty good 4th single choice! Hope M does not stop at three when there are other gems that need to be heard. Releasing even five singles like ROL and AL would be HEAVENLY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realityisalways Posted May 19, 2015 Author Share Posted May 19, 2015 This only shows how limited your music knowledge is. BIM is under the category of PC Music which is a brewing trend. It is actually the most forward sounding track on Rebel Heart. Personal Computer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5iVe Elements Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Dont ever compare BIM to that Harlan Shake fad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrolla Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 This only shows how limited your music knowledge is. BIM is under the category of PC Music which is a brewing trend. It is actually the most forward sounding track on Rebel Heart. No, I hadn't heard of PC music before. (I did some research, though) If Sophie's name wasn't attached to BIM, I wouldn't believe that it was considered PC. It sounds more like a trap song to me. And that's what I see a lot of people calling BIM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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