ruey Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Given Madonna's lack of commercial success (by her past standards, of course), I have come to see RH as her "indie album" of sorts. This makes it an underground album, from an artist that is extremely talked about almost everywhere. We are living in the Kim Kardashian age ... celebs who are talked about, are just that, talked about. Madonna is very talked about but nobody cares that she has an album out. Lack of knowledge at their peril, I say!!! Anyways to wrap up, RH is an inadvertent "indie album" of sorts, much like AL was. Does that make sense? Can anyone perhaps articulate this theory better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NothingFails Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I don't know when the word "indie" became synomynous with "mainstream artists having a low selling album than previous ones that seems more underground". Madonna has never had an "indie" album. Her albums have always had big producers, songwriters, photo shoots, a major label etc...catering to the mainstream. Madonna has always had a big personality that tends to overshadow a bit of her music. RH has been no exception. If you want a major artist doing an indie album, that would have been Cher's "not.com.merical". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adirondak Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Madonna's definitely done music that has the "indie" sound, for lack of a better term. I don't know if I consider Rebel Heart that, but songs like Paradise, Nobody Knows Me, Secret Garden, Has to Be all fit that description for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andra Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Madonna, the indie underground artist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruey Posted April 19, 2015 Author Share Posted April 19, 2015 I don't know when the word "indie" became synomynous with "mainstream artists having a low selling album than previous ones that seems more underground". Madonna has never had an "indie" album. Her albums have always had big producers, songwriters, photo shoots, a major label etc...catering to the mainstream. Madonna has always had a big personality that tends to overshadow a bit of her music. RH has been no exception. If you want a major artist doing an indie album, that would have been Cher's "not.com.merical". I guess that depends on how one looks at the definition of an "indie album". What I meant is that Madonna had set out to create a commercially succesful album, and failed, which *inadvertendly* produced an album which is not selling all that much at all... but that is unlike indie albums in general, very talked about (due to her personality). I don't disagree with you though that her personality does overshadow the album, and also about Cher, yes I agree with that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruey Posted April 19, 2015 Author Share Posted April 19, 2015 Madonna, the indie underground artist! YES!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 american life is indie in the way that it's experimental and she has created her own sound with just one guy: Mirwais. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip The Switch Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 american life is indie in the way that it's experimental and she has created her own sound with just one guy: Mirwais. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluejean Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HavenHigh Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 It's one of her most hitmaker-y albums... Ever checked who had worked with Diplo, Billboard, Kanye West & Toby Gad previously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruey Posted April 19, 2015 Author Share Posted April 19, 2015 It's one of her most hitmaker-y albums... Ever checked who had worked with Diplo, Billboard, Kanye West & Toby Gad previously? Which is still a massive commercial failure. She made the most famous indie album ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I actually created a playlist called 'M Personal' awhile back that includes: Swim Skin Has To Be Candy Perfume Girl Gone I Deserve It Paradise Intervention X Static Process Falling Free Sanctuary ..etc I guess thats 'indie Madonna' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt420 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Which is still a massive commercial failure. She made the most famous indie album ever It's the 13th best selling album released this year in the US and 18th best selling album worldwide so far.......that's not a MASSIVE commercial failure. Indie albums arent typically among the best selling of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick00 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Don't think RH would be considered indie, but if you listen to Diplo solo music he has released, it's not very commercial and definitely sounds a bit "edgy". Think he brought some of that sound to RH! If you also want to go there, ROL, AL, and, Music have more of an experimental sound to their albums. Even some songs from BS and Confessions definitely have more experimental and interesting beats. For me personally, M did some of her most creative and visionary work when she was not fully pandering to the mainstream which continues to reject her more and more. Wish M was a little more ahead of the curve, but RH was a step in a positive direction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jan Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Which is still a massive commercial failure. She made the most famous indie album ever What is it with the over-exaggerations of commercial failure ? Artists would kill to have an album become the highest selling album of the week on debut like Rebel Heart did. The way people are talking, you would think it sold 5000 copies. Madonna is not an Indie artist - never has been and never will be. Rebel Heart is definitely not an Indie Album either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spotlight Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 ^ this. absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camacho Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 GRITTY and RAW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRVC Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Rebel Heart is the furthest thing from an "indie" or "experimental" album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humanracin Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 "Indie" isn't a sound. And Madonna has never been an Indie artist. An Indie artist is someone who releases albums on an Independent Record Label. Once these artist become more successful and sign to bigger mainstream Lables they are no longer "Indie". I laugh at all of these so called "Indie" acts today signed to labels like Warner Bros and Interscope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I consider RH a pop album with lots of R&B influences. Not indie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Heartbreaker Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 This album is only 'independent' of major radio play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaguy27 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Not sure about indie....however, I have always thought of Madonna as the most experimental mainstream big artist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4mad2 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Omg shut the fuck up! Good G*d I stop visiting the shit site that is Atrl just to find the same nonsense ignorant and inmature bull here. RH the thirteen leaked studio album from a 30+ career polarizing pop singer not selling millions?! oh Noooo!!! You don't fucking say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluejean Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I think alot of big acts have had 'experimental' stages. The Beatles, U2 etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaveASit Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 So, 70% of Prince albums released after the 80s are indie? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adirondak Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Technically Madonna has no record label. So she's indie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frzndrwnwrld Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 This thread is quite a coincidence. My sister just heard the album for the first time and said it sounded indie. I was like, "What?!" To me, it sounds very urban/hip-hop influenced. I thought that would be her reaction to it as well. Anyway, she really liked the album, except for Holy Water and Body Shop. She doesn't understand why it's not being played on the radio when it's better than all the shit on radio at the moment. Of course, I agree with that 1 billion percent. I've always consider American Life to be the closest she has ever come to an indie album. When it comes down to it, it's just a pop album. An experimental pop album, but still a pop album. The melodies and hooks make it pop. The production can be all over the place, but if it's catchy and follows traditional song structure, it's still pop, right? I dunno. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIRTY PIG Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Not sure about indie....however, I have always thought of Madonna as the most experimental mainstream big artist! Definitely agree with this. She is certainly not an indie artist but has created music that no other mainstream artist ever would/could. Stuff like secret garden, erotica, drowned world, bedtime story, impressive insant, paradise, shanti, nobody's perfect. I cannot imagine any other mainstream artist making music that left field. Fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qans1990 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Technically Madonna has no record label. So she's indie. Definitely agree with this. She is certainly not an indie artist but has created music that no other mainstream artist ever would/could. Stuff like secret garden, erotica, drowned world, bedtime story, impressive insant, paradise, shanti, nobody's perfect. I cannot imagine any other mainstream artist making music that left field. Fact Agree with both of you. That said, I think RH is her most classically pop album since LAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5iVe Elements Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Yas for Indiedonna!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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