FreeMySoul Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/12/madonna-lawsuit-vogue-horn-strings-sample/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADUSTIO Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Ok... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixed Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Did Lady Gugu back this lawsuit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 There are some small elements there that sound very similar. Same with this track. Listen at the beginning and then around 4:00 and 7:00. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnNYCV5gJbE And then of course there's this, which appears to have lifted from the above as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Oriole Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Besides "I Hate Madonna" articles, now it's popular to sue her for random shit. Like the Banana people. One of the comments I'm a professional arranger and these people don't have a hope in hell of winning this lawsuit. Lawyers should go to school and get music degrees before they take on these far-fetched money-grabbing cases as most of the claims are baseless (no pun intended). Madonna has a much better case against Gaga for "Born This Way". You can't sue for a horn stab that falls on the same beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBK-79 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 If M is going to get sued over Vogue, why can Gaga get sued over BTW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moniquearis Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 22 years. Surely statute of limitations has passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Why does Madonna get the blame and not the producer? Shep has been using elements from Salsoul's "Love Break" for years. You can even hear elements in Deeper and Deeper. Listen: [media=] [/media]I mean really, you can list so many of Shep's remixes and album cuts that contain elements from the song. The ITG remix being one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Kind of late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonski43 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I can't believe it's taken 22 years for this! I thought it was obvious it was the same sample!?!?! I thought that was half the point of the record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_boogiewoogie Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Why does Madonna get the blame and not the producer? Shep has been using elements from Salsoul's "Love Break" for years. You can even hear elements in Deeper and Deeper. Listen: [media=] [/media]I mean really, you can list so many of Shep's remixes and album cuts that contain elements from the song. The ITG remix being one. Remix and Additional Production by Shep Pettibone. He should sue himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingvirtue Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Why does Madonna get the blame and not the producer? Shep has been using elements from Salsoul's "Love Break" for years. You can even hear elements in Deeper and Deeper. Listen: [media=] [/media]I mean really, you can list so many of Shep's remixes and album cuts that contain elements from the song. The ITG remix being one. OMG, you solved the long, lost mystery of what the "celebrate, celebrate, celebrate" line in the vogue remix came from! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingvirtue Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5pyhO_0CqiQ#! OMG, sounds like the sax solo from "Back in Business" between 1:50-2:50! Blond Ambtion "Do the Bus stop" at 4:24. Funny though, I don't hear vogue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayGuy Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 "Vogue" is a mash-up of sounds from a few records, especially the two mentioned above. Never really heard anything from "Deep in Vogue," though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannylex Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 So why did it take so long? VMG Salsoul claims the samples aren't obvious ... and were only recently detected thanks to new technology that can help isolate and identify individual sounds. So it was detected just because of the use of new technology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhonyguy04 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 how can this happen? she is so original...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reQuiem4adream Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 is that bitch Aisha behind this? they can only get money, but they will never get a minute of fame. sue away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Besides "I Hate Madonna" articles, now it's popular to sue her for random shit. Like the Banana people. One of the comments I'm a professional arranger and these people don't have a hope in hell of winning this lawsuit. Lawyers should go to school and get music degrees before they take on these far-fetched money-grabbing cases as most of the claims are baseless (no pun intended). Madonna has a much better case against Gaga for "Born This Way". You can't sue for a horn stab that falls on the same beat. Didn't M lose some lawsuit in Belgium over "Frozen" though where there were only like three or four notes that were similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jairo Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I have a question, Express Yourself has some elements from an old song? Correct me if i'm wrong. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolidayGuy Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 The "hey hey hey..." is similar to something in The Staple Singers' "Respect Yourself"- but no "sampling." I still don't get the whole "Frozen" thing- I listened to the comparison and don't really hear anything that would warrant such hubub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loomer Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Oh wait a minute, this has been known about for years and years.. even by fans. Why now? They MUST have gotten some level of clearance cause it's too blatantly obvious and well known in dance music to let pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loomer Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I have a question, Express Yourself has some elements from an old song? Correct me if i'm wrong. Thank you Yes, it's a Stax homage and even quotes the "Respect Yourself" part at one point as a clear nod. The choruses are clearly similar, but that was the intention. Bruce Willis also had a hit version with it in 1988 while LAP was being made, so that may have been one inspiration - another was Nikki Harris, Madonna got the idea for the song from her. And yes, Pettibone's 1982 mix of "Love Break" cropped up in many things after meaning they don't have a case. A remixer must think he has license to use his old work, even if it's rearrangements of other peoples. He also reused his Tranet Cackson remix in "Vogue". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Preach it, sister loomita. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Oriole Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 And yes, Pettibone's 1982 mix of "Love Break" cropped up in many things after meaning they don't have a case. A remixer must think he has license to use his old work, even if it's rearrangements of other peoples. He also reused his Tranet Cackson remix in "Vogue". Who doesn't have a case? When did laws about sampling change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt420 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 how can this happen? she is so original...... Sampling a horn stab and stealing the whole fucking melody to a song are two completely different things. I'm sure you can find something else Madonna has "borrowed" to make your case but in this instance your sarcasm is an epic FAIL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattress Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I'm not even clear what part the lawsuit involves. The wording in the article is confusing. If it's the horn stabs, then RECENT TECHNOLOGY MY ASS. Those have been isolated at the very beginning of the 12" version for 22 years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NVPGqHxx_k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loomer Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Sampling a horn stab and stealing the whole fucking melody to a song are two completely different things. Yes, but that same horn stab is a VERY big and instantly recognisable hook of the song, regardless. This is another one that wasn't mentioned, Inner City publicly slammed her back in the day for the perceived thievery of Vogue from this (verses from their chorus). I remembered that for years and had no idea what song they were talking about till I discovered it on here recently. lol @ that US dance show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOUR2008 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 http://www.showbiz411.com/2012/07/13/madonna-sued-over-1990-hit-vogue-producerwriter-will-know-the-answer Share this article Tweet Madonna Sued over 1990 Hit “Vogue”–Producer/Writer Will Know the Answer Madonna Sued over 1990 Hit “Vogue”–Producer/Writer Will Know the Answer 07/13/12 12:51am Roger Friedman 0 Tweet Poor Madonna! What a year she’s having. Madonna is being sued 22 years after her hit song, “Vogue,” came out. Apparently new computer programs can detect samples hidden in records. Both “Vogue” and a 1977 disco record by the Salsoul Orchestra were each written and produced by Richard “Shep” Pettibone. (Madonna helies heavily, let’s say, on collaborators.) If that name sounds familiar it’s because in addition to working with Madonna, Pettibone remixed almost all the records of the late 80s and early 90s. That’s why so many of them sound the same. But early in his career he worked with Salsoul Records and the self named group. Salsoul Orchestra was the kind of thing that disco haters really hated in the late 70s. It was like soft funk mixed with soft jazz and then whipped into a smooth frappe that made you gag while you desperately hunted out the Clash, the Jam or Elvis Costello. Anyway, I digress. Seems Pettibone is accused of pulling some old horns and strings off of a Salsoul hit called “Ooh (I Love It)” and burying them in “Vogue” to give it its propulsion. Frankly, the original record by SalSoul sounds like it borrowed from Van McCoy’s “The Hustle.” Now everyone who worked with Pettibone — and the list is long, long long– should go back and see what he hid in their records. He remixed a lot of Janet Jackson’s and the Pet Shop Boys’ hit records. But I’d start by analyzing Pettibone’s Madonna contributions: Madonna – Where’s the Party (1986) Madonna – Into the Groove (1985) Madonna – Causing a Commotion (1987) Madonna – Like a Prayer (1989) Madonna – Express Yourself (1989) Madonna – Keep it Together (1990) Madonna – Vogue (1990) Madonna – Justify My Love (1990) Madonna – Rescue Me (1991) Madonna – Erotica (1992) Madonna – Deeper and Deeper (1992) Madonna – This Used to Be my Playground (1992) Madonna – Bad Girl (1993) Madonna – Fever (1993) Madonna – Rain (1993) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FrozenEyes Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Listen: [media=] [/media] I don't hear Vogue AT ALL. But I do hear Erotica/Thief of Hearts due to the drums at about :25 seconds in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernatural Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Yes, but that same horn stab is a VERY big and instantly recognisable hook of the song, regardless. This is another one that wasn't mentioned, Inner City publicly slammed her back in the day for the perceived thievery of Vogue from this (verses from their chorus). I remembered that for years and had no idea what song they were talking about till I discovered it on here recently. [media=] [/media]lol @ that US dance show I haven't watched Blond Ambition in a long time, but she did that "there ain't nobody better, ain't no body better babe" between ITG and Vogue, is that from this song, or something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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