Nightshade Posted December 2, 2009 Posted December 2, 2009 speaking of x factor, is madonna really going to appear on that tv show too? i heard it a few months ago but then till now, even when the show is near the end, there has been no date released to us for her appearance. so does anyone know? I am guessing no. I mean, wouldn't we have heard something by now? The finale is like less than 2 weeks away, right? She's disappeared as far as I know.
Guest Danny86 Posted December 2, 2009 Posted December 2, 2009 These aging divas just need to hang it up. Whitney's come back has been a huge none event. Outside of the U.S there's been nothing but a whisper about her. Mariah is the most tired act atm and can't seem to stop releasing album after album even though they aren't selling as much as she'd like them too. It seems like she keeps pumping them out to until she hits it big again. The only person who seems to be doing something mildly successful is Leona Lewis, i assume mainly because she's young. Even Xtina isn't releasing a big diva album next up, she's going opposite. Divas are very 1995. It's over. Not that I disagree with you if it's about Mariah, but just because radio and the industry decided that diva music is not the main thing anymore, does it really mean they should stop altogether? And Whitney's comeback in the US is quite a big deal in itself, without much airplay her album is in the top 5 biggest selling female albums this year and she actually did quite well in the UK too on the back of X-Factor. Also, when you have Rihanna sell as much as Barbra Streisand in her first week, makes you wonder who matters more. Just because their songs don't become hits, it doesn't mean their music is worse than artists' who are scoring #1s left to right you know. The problem with Mariah is not that "divas are over" but that she keeps on doing the exact same sound, rehashing "Always Be My Baby" for the millionth time instead of trying out something different. Then again, it does seem for solo female artists the more they go on, the less options they have. You either make the slow R&B stuff Mariah/Leona etc does, either you do electro-dance Madonna keeps favoring and you covered almost everyone out there except the guitar-light rock Kelly/Pink stuff. So in the end, divas will have to adapt and try to be up to date.
GimmeSomeMo Posted December 2, 2009 Posted December 2, 2009 I know you're getting defensive because HARD CANDY SOLD WELL WORLDWIDE AND THAT MEANS SHES STILL RELEVANT OKAY but I think Cubb was talking about the big-voice divas like Celine and Whitney which are indeed very over and very 90s.
Guest nothingfails0603 Posted December 2, 2009 Posted December 2, 2009 Celine's been over since she returned from her "retirement" IMO. Celine was probably the biggest pop star of the late 90's but that two year hiatus hurt her because a lot had changed in the time she was away and AC music was on its way out. Whitney's voice will never be the same as it was and that hurts her a lot, but her album has done well in the US considering radio doesn't really care anymore. She will never be a superstar like she was but I think she's going to turn into a Barbra Streisand type of album artist as long as she lets people know she has new music out there. I think Mariah just seriously needs to do something new. Like Whitney, her power ballad voice has rotted away (could it be all the antibiotics in KFC chicken? lol) but she needs a new formula. It worked on Butterfly, and the material was strong enough that it worked with Mimi, but now we have a 40 year old who is still doing the eighth rehash of the same album she's been making since 1997. She needs to have her own "Ray Of Light" type album (not saying going in that genre) out of left field to really keep her from fading into irrelevance and get people interested in her again.
Guest Coked Up Baby Boy Posted December 2, 2009 Posted December 2, 2009 Not that I disagree with you if it's about Mariah, but just because radio and the industry decided that diva music is not the main thing anymore, does it really mean they should stop altogether? Well, no, i was just over dramatizing with that. I just think that sort of market is much smaller now days. The fact that so many of them are struggling proves that. And Whitney's comeback in the US is quite a big deal in itself, without much airplay her album is in the top 5 biggest selling female albums this year and she actually did quite well in the UK too on the back of X-Factor. I'm sure she pumped out a few good weeks of sales, but aside from it being a "drug free come back" hype release, did people honestly give a shit about Whitney's new music? the entire record was something she would have sung in 1994. Her Oprah interview got more coverage world wide than the album itself. She's a product of her time and nothing more. Great voice, but the "Whitney machine" has well and truly sailed. I didn't see much of a world conquering this year from Whitney. I'm not a fan, so i'm not watching her closely. If i ask anyone i know about her new album, they'll say "what album?". The problem with Mariah is not that "divas are over" but that she keeps on doing the exact same sound, rehashing "Always Be My Baby" for the millionth time instead of trying out something different. Exactly, rehashing something that was big 15 years ago. The 90's Divas, which are over. Look at the new Diva's Live show from this year. It featured Miley Cyrus and Kelly Clarkson Divas are done.
Guest nothingfails0603 Posted December 2, 2009 Posted December 2, 2009 The only person who seems to be doing something mildly successful is Leona Lewis, i assume mainly because she's young. Actually Leona looks to have been a fluke as well. Her second album is down to #47 on HITS in just it's second week, not very good for someone whose debut sold 1.5 million and had one of last years biggest hits with "Bleeding Love".
Guest nothingfails0603 Posted December 2, 2009 Posted December 2, 2009 Great voice, but the "Whitney machine" has well and truly sailed. I didn't see much of a world conquering this year from Whitney. I'm not a fan, so i'm not watching her closely. haha, you really aren't a fan if you think great voice. The recent power ballads are tragic. The midtempo and upbeat numbers salvage her album from being a trainwreck. To hear the voice that once sang I Will Always Love You doing I Look To You and I Didn't Know My Own Strength is very depressing because crack totally ruined her voice.
GimmeSomeMo Posted December 2, 2009 Posted December 2, 2009 Look at the new Diva's Live show from this year. It featured Miley Cyrus and Kelly Clarkson Divas are done. Well I much prefer the new(-ish) crop of pop whores. GaGa, Britney, Beyonce, Rihanna *gyrates*
madonnaceleb Posted December 2, 2009 Posted December 2, 2009 (edited) Actually Leona looks to have been a fluke as well. Her second album is down to #47 on HITS in just it's second week, not very good for someone whose debut sold 1.5 million and had one of last years biggest hits with "Bleeding Love". Leona >>> Mariah..doesnt seem to have much of a personality especially on stage and Happy isnt much of a help either.. Edited December 2, 2009 by madonnacelebration
mtzlplk Posted December 2, 2009 Posted December 2, 2009 Maybe the Mayan was right about 2012. well, first 9/11 with Glitter then an album on 2012, we can clearly see the pattern...
Guest Topaz Scorpio Posted December 3, 2009 Posted December 3, 2009 Celine's been over since she returned from her "retirement" IMO. Celine was probably the biggest pop star of the late 90's but that two year hiatus hurt her because a lot had changed in the time she was away and AC music was on its way out. I guess it depends on what you define as "over". Since her return from retirement.... Her Vegas residency earned around $400 million. Her recent tour earned $279 million (for English language albums) A New Day Has Come - 13.5 million sold worldwide One Heart - 6.5 million sold worldwide Miracle - 5 million sold worldwide (I question this one though) Taking Chances - 3.5 million worldwide My Love: Essential Collection - 1.6 million worldwide Yes. She is no longer a presence on the Hot 100 and her album sales have declined, but that's in a market of overall declining sales. Relative to that she's doing okay. Overall I think she's the diva who's in the best shape. She made an incredibly wise decision to do the Vegas gig and rake in tons of money and publicity instead of just continuing to flog album after album like Mariah. She also built up enough time away from general touring to generate massive demand for her worldwide tour.
Guest nothingfails0603 Posted December 3, 2009 Posted December 3, 2009 You are right that Celine is still doing very good, especially since unlike Mariah and the others, she's the only one who can compete with M as a touring draw. But it always just seemed like ever since she "returned", she had more of a bad AC stigma ala Michael Bolton/Phil Collins to her and she really lost her "it" standing, while in 1997-1999 everything she touched turned to gold. Around the time Titanic came out, there was nobody bigger than Celine, ever since she "returned", she's been more or less an AC-niche artist with limited to zero crossover appeal on the same stations that burned My Heart Will Go On and That's The Way It Is out a few short years earlier.
loomer Posted December 3, 2009 Posted December 3, 2009 Taking Chances is an AWFUL album. No wonder she never returned to her heyday.
Guest jamesshot Posted December 3, 2009 Posted December 3, 2009 I so don't get the whole Celine love. She is cute and stuff but I really hate her voice though I acknowledge its power. The only song I liked her on was My Heart will do on. I find her boring, silly and annoying mostly. I think her music is complete rubbish for the most part too.
Guest Topaz Scorpio Posted December 3, 2009 Posted December 3, 2009 You are right that Celine is still doing very good, especially since unlike Mariah and the others, she's the only one who can compete with M as a touring draw. But it always just seemed like ever since she "returned", she had more of a bad AC stigma ala Michael Bolton/Phil Collins to her and she really lost her "it" standing, while in 1997-1999 everything she touched turned to gold. Around the time Titanic came out, there was nobody bigger than Celine, ever since she "returned", she's been more or less an AC-niche artist with limited to zero crossover appeal on the same stations that burned My Heart Will Go On and That's The Way It Is out a few short years earlier. Yes. She's past her peak, there's no question of that. But so is Madonna, and Whitney, and Mariah. It happens to every artist eventually. The wise artist will look to exploit other areas when Hot 100 success fades and album sales start to dwindle. Why do you think M is so tour focused in this part of her career? It's where she still reigns supreme and makes a shitload of money. Celine made smart business choices with Vegas and has done well with her perfume line which supposedly has generated $500 million with 6 fragrances in 8 years. I find that a bit astounding as when I think of smelling good, Celine Dion is not the first person who comes to mind.
Guest nothingfails0603 Posted December 3, 2009 Posted December 3, 2009 Yes. She's past her peak, there's no question of that. But so is Madonna, and Whitney, and Mariah. It happens to every artist eventually. The wise artist will look to exploit other areas when Hot 100 success fades and album sales start to dwindle. Why do you think M is so tour focused in this part of her career? It's where she still reigns supreme and makes a shitload of money. Celine made smart business choices with Vegas and has done well with her perfume line which supposedly has generated $500 million with 6 fragrances in 8 years. I find that a bit astounding as when I think of smelling good, Celine Dion is not the first person who comes to mind. With Celine it just seemed like radio pushed her away so quickly. Radio resistance seems to come with the territory for all divas, we've seen it big time with Madonna the past few years, and with Whitney and Janet, and even Mariah's beginning to struggle past her first single, but it seemed like Celine was radio poison so soon after her peak while the others enjoyed a number of years of respectable airplay after they had fallen from their true peak. But of course, Celine has never really had the musical diversity (not that Mariah is "diverse" but r&b is a little bit more top 40-friendly than AC) the others did and has always been aimed squarely at the AC market, even when she tried her dance thing a few years ago only the hardcore Celine queens took to it, it wasn't like when Whitney embraced the dance remix. But apparently that stale AC formula does work for her because she is the only one of the divas who can compete with Madonna as a touring draw.
Guest Topaz Scorpio Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 With Celine it just seemed like radio pushed her away so quickly. Radio resistance seems to come with the territory for all divas, we've seen it big time with Madonna the past few years, and with Whitney and Janet, and even Mariah's beginning to struggle past her first single, but it seemed like Celine was radio poison so soon after her peak while the others enjoyed a number of years of respectable airplay after they had fallen from their true peak. But of course, Celine has never really had the musical diversity (not that Mariah is "diverse" but r&b is a little bit more top 40-friendly than AC) the others did and has always been aimed squarely at the AC market, even when she tried her dance thing a few years ago only the hardcore Celine queens took to it, it wasn't like when Whitney embraced the dance remix. But apparently that stale AC formula does work for her because she is the only one of the divas who can compete with Madonna as a touring draw. She has a broader appeal that's why. She gets the older crowd in that Mariah doesn't and Whitney doesn't get too much of. Madonna is an 80's icon so she gets a lot of the older crowd too (not skewing quite as old as Celine's crowd) who were in their 20's-30's when she was starting out. That can be key because the older the crowd the more they can generally afford the higher ticket prices. Celine also seems to have a bigger worldwide fanbase than Mariah or Whitney.
Guest jamesshot Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 With Celine it just seemed like radio pushed her away so quickly. Radio resistance seems to come with the territory for all divas, we've seen it big time with Madonna the past few years, and with Whitney and Janet, and even Mariah's beginning to struggle past her first single, but it seemed like Celine was radio poison so soon after her peak while the others enjoyed a number of years of respectable airplay after they had fallen from their true peak. But of course, Celine has never really had the musical diversity (not that Mariah is "diverse" but r&b is a little bit more top 40-friendly than AC) the others did and has always been aimed squarely at the AC market, even when she tried her dance thing a few years ago only the hardcore Celine queens took to it, it wasn't like when Whitney embraced the dance remix. But apparently that stale AC formula does work for her because she is the only one of the divas who can compete with Madonna as a touring draw. Radio fragmentation killed Celine's radio career. Think about it- radio fragmentation really started showing itself around 4 years after the disastrous 1996 Telecommunications Act, right around the time Celine started slipping bad at radio. It is no coincidence. I had a friend who was the morning girl at one of Houston's biggest stations during the early to mid-00's. She told me first hand how the objective was to "divide and conquer" and go after niche crowds. So, urban radio grew because the conglomerates created huge demand because they saw this market as the most lucrative and most easily influenced. Celine then could only get played at so many formats while so many other artist, especially black and cross over country, got played at so many more and on more stations.
Guest nothingfails0603 Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 She has a broader appeal that's why. She gets the older crowd in that Mariah doesn't and Whitney doesn't get too much of. Madonna is an 80's icon so she gets a lot of the older crowd too (not skewing quite as old as Celine's crowd) who were in their 20's-30's when she was starting out. That can be key because the older the crowd the more they can generally afford the higher ticket prices. Celine also seems to have a bigger worldwide fanbase than Mariah or Whitney. makes you wonder how Mariah's touring would have turned out if she didn't fight like hell to make sure she lost the AC market in the late 90's. I think Celine really benefited when she did because it was when Whitney was starting to visibly become a junkie and Mariah was doing everything she could to push the AC crowd away to gain a younger "hipper" urban market, except she forgot that those old white women she just had to get rid of buy concert tickets.
Guest jamesshot Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 makes you wonder how Mariah's touring would have turned out if she didn't fight like hell to make sure she lost the AC market in the late 90's. I think Celine really benefited when she did because it was when Whitney was starting to visibly become a junkie and Mariah was doing everything she could to push the AC crowd away to gain a younger "hipper" urban market, except she forgot that those old white women she just had to get rid of buy concert tickets. It wouldn't have mattered much because Mariah is a shit performer who has zero stage presence.
dimfanis Posted December 4, 2009 Posted December 4, 2009 It wouldn't have mattered much because Mariah is a shit performer who has zero stage presence. Celine and Barbra Streisand are the only "divas with voices" that live sound as great as in their CDs. Mariah and Whitney do NOT!!!! Not now, not even back in their hey day. Celine can release a record every few years and have decent sales and tour and make a lot of money. She can do this for the rest of her life. I'm not Celine's crowd but what she has accomplished as performer and artist is remarkable.
madonnaceleb Posted December 5, 2009 Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) The Prophet Blog can exclusively reveal that Mariah Carey is planning to hit the road next year for the official Angels Cry tour. Named after the ballad from her new album Memoirs of An Imperfect Angel, the Angels Cry tour will see the diva performing hits from her new album as well as her extensive back catalogue. The first official show of the tour will be Mariahs special New Years Eve concert at Madison Square Garden, which features Trey Songz. As of now the tour will remain in the States, but Mimi is looking into international dates with possibilities of extending it to a world tour, though nothing has been 100% confirmed yet. The opening act has been confirmed as RydazNrtist, a new R&B group signed to Nick Cannons(husband) NCredible Entertainment. Report: The Prophet Blog Who will be crying the most? a) Husband b) Lambs c) the opening act d)Promoter Edited December 5, 2009 by madonnacelebration
loomer Posted December 5, 2009 Posted December 5, 2009 Who gives a shit. FUCK OFF The Mariah thread is in Pop Princesses Someone close this nonsense
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