Larkspur
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Love it. French has the most beautiful sound. It's not correct though Simpi? How much so? I wish I spoke french.
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So, has Madonna split with Timor, or not?
Oh yeah, I am not even sure they were ever "together." I can't imagine the roses being from Drake. There is nothing to forgive. They are from her secret boyfriend Pierre I think.
Edit: and there, someone posts a pic of him!
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You most of all you mean?
Probably cos I spent a while deleting about 15 posts of Thatcher shite from the topic while you took your 1 hour break from the forum.
Take your passive-aggressive crap and stick it Larkspur. I told you once before to stay away from me and then foolishly made the mistake of directly answering you.
Back to MADONNA'S INSTAGRAM.
Damn. I was being genuine too, not passive aggressive at all. I am not even mildly upset and you have trust issues. I am a very nice person.
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Was looking forward to having a civilized conversation with Kim but then read more and then people worrying about what you think and then I'm like ugh he's so annoying. Why is everyone so concerned about what you think?
Like oh your bothered by the conversation. Who cares, and I say that in a very nice way.
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Not angry whatsoever. Just a little bemused that you and certain others keep going on about people IN HERE accusing Madonna of agreeing with all of Thatcher's policies, when, as I've just said, no-one here has said that at all. What's happening on social media sites, blogs, whatever else, has no bearing on the people who are giving their views in this topic.
No I was trying think of why people would be upset. I didn't clarify that I believe the majority here fall into the angry and resentful. Why would people make that much of a deal out of it if there wasn't any kind of emotion or fear going on?
I am not going to repeat the thoughts in here on Madonna's judgement or intellect but is that what made you react in a negative way? (not angry)
I believe she says and does things to make people think and it puts her in a very vunerable position but I think that is something to be admired and is very courageous.
I am not going on with it other then to not have it dismissed as something trivial as just Madonna having a "moment."
As far hurt and anger and resentment for a person who got away with making a law that imposed on human
rights in my country and they weren't spoken about with anything but contempt. I would be angry.
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^ No it's too hard to understand. You're angry.
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Perhaps being a Yank does sway my opinion or perhaps if the post had come from a known bigot i would've reacted different.....idk. Still, things seem to get taken far too seriously on social media. What I mean is, people seemingly trying to get angry about something......anything. I thought the same thing when Mike Tyson made that Hitler comment and it caused a bit of a stir. It feels like people are increasingly becoming incapable of using rationalization before reacting. Just because they could've referenced more "politically correct" people to get their points across shouldn't negate common sense. It pains me to think that after all Madonna has done for promoting human rights, equality etc that someone would actually think she supports everything Thatcher did politically because she admires a quote by her. And a black man supporting a Nazi?? It's like really people?? Lol
In regard to Madonna and social media.......mind you I'm not on social media so......to me it seems like she gets misunderstood just like she does in her art. I'm certainly not equating an Instagram post to the LAP or RH album but still, her point of views, the way she conveys her message are misunderstood and always have been. Apparently no matter how she expresses her views, it causes a bit of a stir.
Yes, wasn't it Mussolini that Mike Tyson was talking about though?
What is most offensive coming from the point of view of someone upset by the criticism of Madonna is that flipping out on her is like saying they believe she agrees with Thatcher's political views because she happened to like a quote. What if Margaret Thatcher said I love my family and someone was asked if they could relate to that and said yes? Does that mean they agree with everything else she stood for. Where are all the critical thinkers that want to separate personal feelings and emotions from appreciating something?
The ones who actually believe Madonna agrees with her views are not fans and are completely clueless to the person she is but then some go no I don't think Madonna agrees with her views but I'm furious and I'm glad she took it down. So their anger comes from hanging on to resentment and hate. They don't even want to talk about the quote. I get it. I don't like it but I get the anger and resentment but that is what fuels division and keeps it going.
No where in Madonna's post does she agree with her warped political views. I believe she did take it down out of sensitivity but the point is there. In know way do I believe she is clueless about what she posts and she certainly didn't take it down out of fear and people posting like she did is just, I find insulting.
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Still can't decide between this or Ray Of Light as my favorite album cover. Just amazing! Great to read this.
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Keep on planting.
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I think what Pud said a few pages before is very true. Somehow the tide is turning and we really can't put the finger onto the why. Even worse, for some reason the Madonna fans themselves are taking part in this downfall.
Could somebody please explain to me why we are exactly fighting again?
Because people who hate Madonna have been become more aggressive in the last few years. They are not fans and they have been coming on boards. Also there are people who simply follow what other people say and that becomes their opinion. Madonna has always lived as if everything is as it should be and if she can find something positive she focuses on that which will eventually lead to seeing nothing but the positive and changes minds and hearts. If all the intellectuals believe that peace comes about by feeding into negative energy and keeping it alive then I ask "how has that helped the world?" She seeks out the positive.
There is also fighting because of the ridiculous judgements of Madonna's personality and intelligence in a Madonna fan forum.
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I think she needs to start dumbing herself down. It's really not fair to a lot of her fans. She can start by picking up some of the humour in here.you know how gaultier compared madonna to napoleon? he said it on video, so it could not get lost in translation or on paper, but i guess she felt the same. its not about the politics but about a strong person. but on instagram she really has to treat her followers like idiots, as sad as it is. because they, the tabloids and haters, can easily take things out of context. social media is really for the politically correct.
And then everyone can go "oh Madonna you're just so funny!" "You are so wonderful." "You really post the most wonderful things and we all love you." "You are so brilliant." " I can not possibly have a thought because you speak for all of us."
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AND here we have some members who believe Madonna should censor herself and adapt to the needs of the IG community because she is at risk making a fool out of herself when posting quotes, pictures or political statements that are taken at face value because of the incapabilty of this generation to think for themselves.
Just need this in bold letters.
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no Jan obviously you got her post wrong.
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Do you ever regret saying things in life? It's the sign of a mature, critically reflective mind at work.
Oh and that describes so many here.
I think people are quite selective when it comes to what the subject is and whomever it's about.
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Monthly post from atop the pedestal.
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I wish the people with ridiculous ideas about Madonna would just move on.
No amount of nothing is gonna make me write a diplomatic post or make me stop posting as you know.
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I want Madonna to deliver her messages intelligently. She has not been doing that at all on Instagram.
What's the use of not holding back if you sound like a teenager when you're 56? No one takes her seriously. And they should! She's just making it easy not to.
Sorry to be harsh but we al know it.
I just read the quote. If I didn't know who wrote the quote I would like the words. They are just words. You can take away anything you want from them.
I want her to be her. If people don't like her they can stop following her or say they don't like her. If I don't like someone I say I don't like them. The last thing that is going to decide for me whether I like someone or not is what other people think of them.
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You see this is the problem I have with this forum. You guys jump to the most idiotic conclusions.
No she doesn't need to treat us like Pre-K students. Just stop.
Look at how Rihanna uses Instagram. Or Diplo. They just post a pic of something they like, a sexy selfie, a video of the audience at their show, a candid airplane pic. A link to their latest video, an album announcement, etc.
Madonna has no social media etiquette. She gets worked up, she overestimates her audience's knowledge and intelligence (as Glinda wisely pointed out), she tries to make statements, she gets confused when ppl come for her. She is very new to the Internet of the millenials which is very cruel. Madonna is a mother! In her 50s at that. She is too busy. She doesn't get today's internet culture, she's been too busy making a billion dollars. And she doesn't need to get it, much less feel pressured to.
Madonna makes poignant statements by SPEAKING, singing, performing, etc. She always has and still does. She cannot translate any of that on social media. Most people can't. It's the wrong venue and it has continually bit her in the ass multiple times.
I am in full support of Madonna being controversial and bold but from behind her iPhone screen, she can't make it look or sound good. She is above social media and yet she keeps trying to mingle with it. It's frustrating to me.
Just my 2 cents
You want her to hold back though. You do. I don't want her to. That's the only difference in our opinions. Let me tell you something and this has nothing to do with you. Madonna sure as hell never supported that woman's politics but her fans ain't just quoting people that hate HER guts but have 0 problem giving a ton of support to them.
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You are absolutely right. But that is the exact problem. Pop stars and celebrities use Instagram to relate to their audience in a staged, dual purpose way... They get to be (slightly) candid while they promote their brand and that gets plenty of mileage when it comes to image.
Madonna's use of Instagram has been an image fiasco no matter how you chop it- if she's overestimating people's intelligence then it just shows you how ignorant she is to the death trap that is social media, and presents her as very out of touch. She jumped on it with the same intention as Rihanna, Beyonce, Kylie Jenner, etc... To get people hyped up about their projects and be a little more candid while they do it... Instead her naïve behavior and lack of "supervision" (don't know what other word to use) has been a total PR mess. Jacket/Tshirt mentioned awhile ago that she needed some social media seminars to get her up to speed and I agree
We as fans know Madonna is not an idiot and we get her cheekiness, we have been watching her for years and we know her in a way that the casual observer doesn't. The rest of the world doesn't and that's why she is now viewed as a bit of a joke now. I hate to say it.
If anyone can turn that around tho, it's Madonna. A hit single and successful tour gives her ammo, but it's like all the cards are stacked against that too right now.
Sigh, you can't always win.
So she should not treat people with respect and speak to people like they're five year olds? Isn't that patronizing?
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What was the quote?
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The quote was said by Margaret Thatcher. She posted the quote because she liked the quote and related to it on a personal level not because she agrees with Margaret Thatcher's political views. The problem with Madonna and instagram is that she overestimates the intelligence of people. The problem with social media is everyone is quick to jump down someone's throat without knowing the facts or even listening. You can like someone's quote without agreeing with them politically. I don't find that hard to understand at all.
Pretty much.
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There's nothing risky on RH
What is your definition of risky?
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well of course he didn't plan on it but right now, I do think he is using her and the whole controversy to his advantage and doesn't seem to care that 99% call madonna an assaulter. he just sits back and enjoys the ride. i never said he did this whole thing on purpose to shame her and get attention, thats ridiculous. so maybe there's misunderstanding going on here, but it does annoy me how he just lets everyone accuse her of horrible things while he gets all the praise/love/sympathy etc. the least he can do is clear it up
No I didn't think that you said he set it up like that. Maybe he will elaborate more in an interview. I'm sure he will be asked. I'm still working on the fact that it's a thing.
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M never wanted to be indie. She wanted to be #1 and rule the world.
Erotica, American Life and Rebel Heart may be loved by fans and critics -
but they weren't intended as commercial failures to be "cool". That's ridiculous.
I'm sure Madonna didn't/doesn't want those to be commercial failures but she is willing to take a risk to make the music that she wanted/wants to make. Isn't that what indie artists want to do? Make the music they want to make?
Bitch Im Madonna NEXT SINGLE, Jonas Akerlund is the director of videoclip
in ARCHIVE - The REBEL HEART Forum
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Not much but I do agree with you. Madonna hasn't really put herself out there in awhile before Rebel Heart and I won't rule out a bit of ageism amongst music lovers. What cracks me up is that some of these music lovers are not supporting a woman over a certain age when they themselves are over a certain age.
Agree with you totally about the charts. Radio, charts they are manipulated. If they could manipulate concert tickets they so would. She sells and there isn't anything they can do to prevent it. They have tried to persuade younger concert goers with put downs but thats all they can do. It's funny how radio doesn't think her music is relevant yet she sells out shows focused on her current albums.
I am not going to acknowledge something that is so controlled as the charts. Like you said. Buying it shows that you really want it.