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[Louise Oriole]

During the Confessions era, Angela was the main manager. She used to be Caresse's assistant. She left in early 2007 and Guy Oseary took over.

[Butter9]

GimmeSomeMo, on 18 April 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

I don't think it's about something as narrow as 'oh he should have arranged three more television appearances'. I think the Madonna name is being mismanaged. Greedily milking the touring cow, endless trotting out of progressively cheaper products like MADONNA SHOES and not nearly enough attention to re-establishing her as a central force in the music world. I thought this era would be all about reaffirming her dominance and trying to make her bigger than ever, instead everything after the Superbowl has gone by like a wet fart.

BRAFUCKINGVO !

When MDNA was on the horizon I thought this era would be Madonna:World Re-Domination but so far not so good !

[markm]

Louise Oriole, on 19 April 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

During the Confessions era, Angela was the main manager. She used to be Caresse's assistant. She left in early 2007 and Guy Oseary took over.

Angela was also producer on the CT.

[GimmeSomeMo]

AAAAAH Angela, that's right, I completely forgot about her.

[Nikki]

LUV, on 19 April 2012 - 05:18 AM, said:

it all cuz of that livenation contract..  

U2 and jay z also have that contract, don't they? they seem to be doing alright.

ideally she should have released the album the day after the Super Bowl. OR a week before that. that would have been huge.

[GimmeSomeMo]

^^Madonna is doing alright too, in fact she's doing more than alright she's doing great it's just sad to see her actual music fade a bit to the background. OH WELL

[Infinity]

At this stage of her career Madonna is just for the fans, she's not going to attract many new fans, that being said her existing fanbase is HUGE.

Why put resources into finding a new market for her music when you already have a captive audience.

I swear to God some of you are like MJ fans, so concerned with public perception and your fav remaining on top.

Just enjoy the music, that's what she made the album for, and leave the business stuff to the professionals.

[Ciccone's Cheeks]

In my gut I think he should be as 'his' priorities seem to be totally derailing her music career. Seems hes has her under his thumb/manipulated and is just in a freestyling mode and is big influence on her saying F music and just focus on touring. Just reeks from that. Thing is- shes known him for around 20 yrs and seems to adore him. Hes a very smooth/suave, cocky, smart guy which keeps Madonna hooked. Physically, hes also her type which prob. ads a little something to it (maybe more lol). 20 yrs later their dynamic seems to be stronger than ever. Its just "we" all know hes prob. the main reason all her priorities are in the wrong places. Madonna for all we know could be wanting to explore all these innovative, new musicals styles, sounds etc..like shes legendary for. So, I refuse to believe its all Madonnas fault or 'lazy actions' dictating why her last few albums and lackluster promotion have basically been duplicates after years of raising the bar and pumping out worldwide hit singles.

[bionic]

No, he just needs sense knocked into him. I think he's been doing a great job, up until this MDNA promo fiasco.

[Ciccone's Cheeks]

Butter9, on 19 April 2012 - 07:30 AM, said:

BRAFUCKINGVO !

When MDNA was on the horizon I thought this era would be Madonna:World Re-Domination but so far not so good !

Me too :/. Aside from the leaked GMAYL demo, which I truly believed was a leaked demo, a blip, and bypassed it, there was this ROL esque pre buildup/ hype. Everything was feeling perfect and that it was her time to come roaring back in an epic way. The foundation was totally there. Over the lastt 30 yrs, when shes had a lackluster album or two, shes always showed up stronger and better and the world embraced it. The MDNa album name, cover, superbowl etc..everything was getting hotter and hotter then..then GMAYL dropped and ended up being the final version lol. Since then, I find myself back in 2003 MATM/English Roses/GAP commercial hell LOL.

[Ciccone's Cheeks]

Louise Oriole, on 19 April 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

During the Confessions era, Angela was the main manager. She used to be Caresse's assistant. She left in early 2007 and Guy Oseary took over.

so there u go. Early 2007 (right before HC got going) lol That kinda validates everything.  

[Drama_Boy]

The promotion of MDNA has sucked hairy balls (probably Guy's). The album should have been released the day after the Superbowl along with the first single which should have been Turn Up The Radio. We could have had teasers from the TUTR video building up to the Superbowl perfromance. Don't get me wrong...I think the way the Superbowl turned out was fantastic, but the execution of the promotion of the album has fallen by the wayside due to the tour rehearsals.

[Sire]

She can't fire him yet, he'll be wanting to do another of his photo books for "their" world tour like he did for the last two. (To be released approximately 12 months after most people stopped giving a shit about it.)  

Plus, he's still "compiling the remixes" for GGW on iTunes - so he's dead busy. Sadly, most of us compiled them on iTunes for free weeks ago.  

[Flip The Switch]

Sire, on 19 April 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

She can't fire him yet, he'll be wanting to do another of his photo books for "their" world tour like he did for the last two. (To be released approximately 12 months after most people stopped giving a shit about it.)  

Plus, he's still "compiling the remixes" for GGW on iTunes - so he's dead busy. Sadly, most of us compiled them on iTunes for free weeks ago.  

He's fucking useless.

[popeline]

Drama_Boy, on 19 April 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

The promotion of MDNA has sucked hairy balls (probably Guy's). The album should have been released the day after the Superbowl along with the first single which should have been Turn Up The Radio. We could have had teasers from the TUTR video building up to the Superbowl perfromance. Don't get me wrong...I think the way the Superbowl turned out was fantastic, but the execution of the promotion of the album has fallen by the wayside due to the tour rehearsals.

[Littlebastard]

All this talk of firing this person and that person when the answer is quite simple the lead single killed this project dead on arrival. Pretty much everyone hated this song and even when it was forced down our throat i still hate it and find it irritating. First time EVER i find a Madonna song that annoying i can't even hear it all the way through. Even in Montreal where we love her here people are not fond of it at all.

It's very simple. Lead single make or break an album period.

Whoever was responsible for releasing it doesn't know shit pretty much. When it was leaked 2 months in advance the reception was terrible how they couldn't see that is AMAZING.

[Narendra Sen]

Littlebastard, on 19 April 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Whoever was responsible for releasing it doesn't know shit pretty much. When it was leaded 2 months in advance the reception was terrible how they couldn't see that is AMAZING.

YES!!

I remember when the song leaked, Guy O. said someyhing like "we are very happy that the song got a positive response from fans, but sad that someone leaked it blahblahblah" and I'm like "what positive response"? We all Most of us didn't like it since it leaked, but back then we hoped it was just a demo or that they would release another song as the 1st single. But they just didn't get it.  

[markm]

Littlebastard, on 19 April 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

All this talk of firing this person and that person when the answer is quite simple the lead single killed this project dead on arrival. Pretty much everyone hated this song and even when it was forced down our throat i still hate it and find it irritating. First time EVER i find a Madonna song that annoying i can't even hear it all the way through. Even in Montreal where we love her here people are not fond of it at all.

It's very simple. Lead single make or break an album period.

Whoever was responsible for releasing it doesn't know shit pretty much. When it was leaked 2 months in advance the reception was terrible how they couldn't see that is AMAZING.

I have pretty much been saying the same thing in another thread. The lead single should be the song with the biggest worldwide appeal.
GMAYL is the weakest song on the album. I just don't know how they thought it would perform well. It just doesn't scream lead single. I get
why she performed it a the Superbowl but  that should have been the end of it . Also as others have said they waited too long to release the
album. It should have released immediately after the Superbowl.
If TUTR was chosen as the the lead single I think we would be looking at a different situation.
I have a feeling this era will be a short one. It's such a shame because the album has so much potential.

[jonski43]

Oddly enough, GMAYL grew on me. The video really changed it and now I really like the song. However, GGW has just not grown on me at all. It really is my least favourite single ever. The video is stunning but even that can't detract from the really poor Europop sound. The album has some stunning songs on it and the project could be turned around but... we've discussed it 'til we're blue in the face.

One bad single choice is bad enough but two is unforgiveable. Alas, TUTR isn't strong enoug to turn the project around in my opinion.

[Americanlife95825]

love GMAYL but maybe after the world was swooning over TUTR or even masterpiece,  the song could have been released in the middle of the tour when she had actually made the world WANT to chant L-U-V madonna again.   it was kinda assumed wasn't it?    be4 i get cut to shreds, yes she has already earned it a million times over but that's just not how things work (obviously as we are seeing).     who though are we to go headhunting guy o?

[Ciccone's Cheeks]

so two Guys and two Ritchies have blemished her career and personal life lol. The other Ritchie (Lionel) now caused her to have asterik next to MDNA hitting #1 to some lol. Kinda kidding as Im thrilled for Lionels comeback.

Im actually feeling more and more passionate abt. her firing Guy O by the day. Madonna needs someone like a Benny Medina etc..someone whos ruthless but has their priorities in the RIGHT place. Hes much more like a Freddy Demann and would focus on the music, promotion, marketing first and foremost etc...NOT simply using and milking an established namebrand to go from A-Z without doing anything in between and 'expecting' fans/people to simply spend money on where its 'really important' (touring, perfumes, clothing lines, etc.). Its all so arrogant and signs of BAD management. I believe Benny Medina is back managing JLo whos career was in ICU. That, and look at what he did for Mariah in 2005. That guy has SKILLS and she needs him or someone like him asap to inject her with a hit song!

[GimmeSomeMo]

Ciccone, on 19 April 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

so two Guys and two Ritchies have blemished her career and personal life lol. The other Ritchie (Lionel) now caused her to have asterik next to MDNA hitting #1 to some lol. Kinda kidding as Im thrilled for Lionels comeback.

Im actually feeling more and more passionate abt. her firing Guy O by the day. Madonna needs someone like a Benny Medina etc..someone whos ruthless but has their priorities in the RIGHT place. Hes much more like a Freddy Demann and would focus on the music, promotion, marketing first and foremost etc...NOT simply using and milking an established namebrand to go from A-Z without doing anything in between and 'expecting' fans/people to simply spend money on where its 'really important' (touring, perfumes, clothing lines, etc.). Its all so arrogant and signs of BAD management. I believe Benny Medina is back managing JLo whos career was in ICU. That, and look at what he did for Mariah in 2005. That guy has SKILLS and she needs him or someone like him asap to inject her with a hit song!

I agree not so much about Benny Medina specifically but about someone who knows the business inside and out and can manipulate the situation to get RESULTS instead of just lounging around on Twitter and doing the bare minimum (LETS GO ON TOUR! MORE MONEY YAY!)

[bionic]

leave guy alone he's a darling!!!  

[Nessie]

Madonna is probably all by herself now. There is no focus on her by an label to help manage her career. She is the one making choices including who manages her. Do you think JLO picked Benny Medina all by herself? He was probably indicated to her by someone in the label who understand the music industry best and it's actually interested to make her happen. In fact, Madonna is  old for the industry and she passed the point to be seen as current by many. So she is free to shop all she wants in the market if she decides to, but i don't think there is anyone behind her helping to aproach new managers and such, not anymore. Those people were left at Warners.

[Skin]

Littlebastard, on 19 April 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Whoever was responsible for releasing it doesn't know shit pretty much. When it was leaked 2 months in advance the reception was terrible how they couldn't see that is AMAZING.

Thats what I dont get.  It was an almost universal vomitfest.  You would have thought they would have said, oh shit this isnt good, lets go back in the studio and re-work the whole song.  

Mind you, I personally dont hate the song.  I can listen to MDNA and not skip it, but its obvious why it bombed.