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Looking back through the first thread, including at the replies to my own comments, a few members here were extremely aggressive and downright awful towards anyone taking this seriously and were just as dismissive of the virus as Trump was/is. One in particular kept saying the standard "the flu is more deadly!" line, even though COVID-19 has a mortality rate over 30x higher. Now those members haven't commented at all in a few weeks, or simply changed their tune as if we wouldn't notice. Funny how that works.

People in the west simply became jaded and way too comfortable over the course of 70+ years since WWII, which was global society's, but especially western society's, last major test. A whole lot of people thought the comfort and technology of the modern First World made a pandemic like this an impossibility. Thus they dismissed it immediately.

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This is disgusting...

California 'influencer' says he is in hospital with coronavirus just days after posting a video of himself licking a toilet bowl for a revolting TikTok challenge

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8150945/Influencer-hospital-coronavirus-just-days-posting-video-licking-toilet.html

What the hell is wrong with people?

 

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5 minutes ago, PDC717 said:

Looking back through the first thread, including at the replies to my own comments, a few members here were extremely aggressive and downright awful towards anyone taking this seriously and were just as dismissive of the virus as Trump was/is. One in particular kept saying the standard "the flu is more deadly!" line, even though COVID-19 has a mortality rate over 30x higher. Now those members haven't commented at all in a few weeks. Funny how that works.

People in the west simply became jaded and way too comfortable over the course of 70+ years since WWII, which was global society's, but especially western society's, last major test. A whole lot of people thought the comfort and technology of the modern First World made a pandemic like this an impossibility. Thus they dismissed it immediately.

That is unfortunate. When govt officials and health officials started saying, maybe as early as late Jan, that we could see major disruptions to daily life followed by drips of more news similar I knew it was going to be bad. They were slowly getting us use to the idea trying not to cause a panic. I didn't know it was going to be as long as it looks like it is. Always listen to the way officials describe things and look for the way they disseminate information as clues. They always give clues early on like "could lead to a major disruption of life" like they did for this. Same thing happened with Hurricane Harvey here in Houston. The look on the meteorologists' faces early on when some of the models came out. They started saying "I wouldn't be surprised if the National Weather Service issues a dire warning" followed by drips of more dire predictions. We all knew it was going to be bad. Then 50 inches of rain!

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30 minutes ago, Crux said:

This is disgusting...

California 'influencer' says he is in hospital with coronavirus just days after posting a video of himself licking a toilet bowl for a revolting TikTok challenge

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8150945/Influencer-hospital-coronavirus-just-days-posting-video-licking-toilet.html

What the hell is wrong with people?

 

His douchebaggery has long since been established:

 

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6 minutes ago, PDC717 said:

His douchebaggery has long since been established:

 

Omg, i've seen that clip before.

I would like to think he's learned his lesson after contracting the virus, but I doubt it. Idiots like that never do.

 

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9 minutes ago, Crux said:

Omg, i've seen that clip before.

I would like to think he's learned his lesson after contracting the virus, but I doubt it. Idiots like that never do.

 

He grew up in Beverly Hills, AND dismisses the (apparently wealthy) family that gave him everything. He's already a lost cause.

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47 minutes ago, PDC717 said:

The mortality rate in Italy topped 10% with yesterday's figures. That is very, very grim news for US projections.

From what I understand, the most lethal thing in this pandemic is totally filling the hospital. I think Italy's mortality rate is so high because with the hospitals being full, new COVID-19 patients who would normally survive with respirators and care are almost guaranteed to die without that. In other countries where the hospitals haven't been overloaded, the mortality rate is significantly lower.

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Just now, Bitch I'm Christian said:

From what I understand, the most lethal thing in this pandemic is totally filling the hospital. I think Italy's mortality rate is so high because with the hospitals being full, new COVID-19 patients who would normally survive with respirators and care are almost guaranteed to die without that. In other countries where the hospitals haven't been overloaded, the mortality rate is significantly lower.

That's part of it. And to that point, the Mayor of Atlanta tweeted yesterday that every ICU bed in the city is already taken.

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3 minutes ago, PDC717 said:

That's part of it. And to that point, the Mayor of Atlanta tweeted yesterday that every ICU bed in the city is already taken.

Oh geez, well that doesn't bode well. I heard things are pretty rough in NYC hospitals too.

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2 hours ago, PDC717 said:

Looking back through the first thread, including at the replies to my own comments, a few members here were extremely aggressive and downright awful towards anyone taking this seriously and were just as dismissive of the virus as Trump was/is. One in particular kept saying the standard "the flu is more deadly!" line, even though COVID-19 has a mortality rate over 30x higher. Now those members haven't commented at all in a few weeks, or simply changed their tune as if we wouldn't notice. Funny how that works.

👏 well said.

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8 hours ago, PDC717 said:

Looking back through the first thread, including at the replies to my own comments, a few members here were extremely aggressive and downright awful towards anyone taking this seriously and were just as dismissive of the virus as Trump was/is. One in particular kept saying the standard "the flu is more deadly!" line, even though COVID-19 has a mortality rate over 30x higher. Now those members haven't commented at all in a few weeks, or simply changed their tune as if we wouldn't notice. Funny how that works.

People in the west simply became jaded and way too comfortable over the course of 70+ years since WWII, which was global society's, but especially western society's, last major test. A whole lot of people thought the comfort and technology of the modern First World made a pandemic like this an impossibility. Thus they dismissed it immediately.

What’s the point of this? So you were right, congrats? 
 

Most people making such comments  here just didn’t want people to panic when we had little to no information and data. I don’t recall anyone flat out saying this is all a hoax / I’m not going to take this seriously / I’m going to take the coronavirus challenge and lick a toilet for you to compare them to Trump. 

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Yes but also, who here have lived through a pandemic before?

This is a first time for all of us, and no one saw this coming, or has any idea of what to come.

We are in a situation where we still don't know what will become of this. 

This is when people need to unite, beyond all borders,  beyond political parties, religion, race, background, nation... in order to beat this damn thing. 

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10 minutes ago, GOD said:

Yes but also, who here have lived through a pandemic before?

This is a first time for all of us, and no one saw this coming, or has any idea of what to come.

We are in a situation where we still don't know what will become of this. 

This is when people need to unite, beyond all borders,  beyond political parties, religion, race, background, nation... in order to beat this damn thing. 

This is why the 10/20s is a rubbish decade. I tried to make the world go back to the 90s but everyone here insists on moving onto 2020 and this is what happens.

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10 hours ago, PDC717 said:

Looking back through the first thread, including at the replies to my own comments, a few members here were extremely aggressive and downright awful towards anyone taking this seriously and were just as dismissive of the virus as Trump was/is. One in particular kept saying the standard "the flu is more deadly!" line, even though COVID-19 has a mortality rate over 30x higher. Now those members haven't commented at all in a few weeks, or simply changed their tune as if we wouldn't notice. Funny how that works.

People in the west simply became jaded and way too comfortable over the course of 70+ years since WWII, which was global society's, but especially western society's, last major test. A whole lot of people thought the comfort and technology of the modern First World made a pandemic like this an impossibility. Thus they dismissed it immediately.

Yes, you already said this and you were right. You were so clever. Some of us were incredibly stupid. I will copy this answer for your next I told you so post next week. 

 

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13 hours ago, jamesshot said:

Elections have consequences. Elect a party that doesn't believe in govt and who every fucking time they get elected epically fucks things up (of course the Republicans) and is anyone surprised they can't handle this? 

This virus is bad and I believe worse than we all know. People can be asymptomatic and spread it. We only know a fraction of the people who have it. 

I am furious and ashamed Trump is our President. Our Intelligence warned him about how bad it could get but he is more worried about himself to care. He called it a hoax, it would go away in weeks, it was nothing. Now look where we are. Several Republican Senators, who were part of the Intelligence briefing predicting huge disruptions to life, later went on to sell their stocks while telling the public everything was going to be ok. You can bet they said that to appease their cult leader. 

You have an entire "news" network, FOX, who likewise spread lies. That entire network should be charged with murder/attempted murder and taken off the air. 

I hope you all stay safe and well. 

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3 hours ago, ULIZOS said:

What’s the point of this? So you were right, congrats? 
 

Most people making such comments  here just didn’t want people to panic when we had little to no information and data. I don’t recall anyone flat out saying this is all a hoax / I’m not going to take this seriously / I’m going to take the coronavirus challenge and lick a toilet for you to compare them to Trump. 

 

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22 hours ago, GOD said:

But where / how did he get it?

He was at a charity event with Prince Albert II of Monaco( who has tested positive )  but no one can confirmed . 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/03/25/coronavirus-prince-charles-covid-19-huge-deal-monarchy-uk/5077286002/

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2 hours ago, runa said:

G7 ministers spike joint statement on COVID-19 after U.S. demands it be called 'Wuhan virus'

Sources say U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo insisted on the wording  :doh:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/g7-covid-19-coronavirus-wuhan-pompeo-trump-1.5510329

 

I hope he chokes one his next Chinese Take away . 

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/26/spain-coronavirus-response-analysis

How did Spain get its coronavirus response so wrong?


Spain saw what happened in Iran and Italy – and yet it just overtook China’s death toll in one of the darkest moments in recent Spanish history

It is one of the darkest and most dramatic moments in recent Spanish history. In the chilling table of daily dead from the coronavirus pandemic, Spain has taken top position from Italy - with 738 dying over 24 hours.

Spain is now the hotspot of the global pandemic, a ghoulish title that has been passed from country to country over four months – starting in Wuhan, China, and travelling via Iran and Italy. As it moves west, we do not know who will be next.


What went wrong? Spain had seen what happened in China and Iran. It also has Italy nearby, just 400 miles across the Mediterranean and an example of how the virus can spread rapidly and viciously inside Europe.


Yet Spaniards cannot blame that proximity. There are no land borders with Italy, while France, Switzerland, Austria and Slovenia – all countries that are doing much better – do have them.

This may, in fact, be one of the reasons for the country’s late response. Spain thought it was far enough away. “Spain will only have a handful of cases,” said Dr Fernando Simón, the head of medical emergencies in Madrid, on 9 February. Six weeks later he gives out daily figures of hundreds of deaths. The number of dead per capita is already three times that of Iran, and 40 times higher than China.

 

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On 19 February, 2,500 Valencia soccer fans mixed with 40,000 Atalanta supporters for a Champions League game in Bergamo which Giorgio Gori, mayor of the Italian city, has described as “the bomb” which exploded the virus in Lombardy.

In Spain, Valencia players, fans and sports journalists were among the first to fall ill.

The main reason for the quick spread through Spain may be completely mundane. It has been an unusually mild, sunny spring. In late February and early March, with temperatures above 20C (68F), Madrid’s pavement cafes and bars were heaving with happy folk, doing what Madrileños like best – being sociable. That means hugging, kissing and animated chatter just a few inches from someone else’s face.

On 8 March, just a week before the country was closed down, sports events, political party conferences and massive demonstrations to mark International Women’s Day all took place. Three days later, about 3,000 Atlético de Madrid fans flew together for another Champions League match in Liverpool.

 

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The Socialist-led government of Pedro Sánchez reacted late and clumsily. The country lacked essential equipment. Ventilators, protective clothing for doctors and coronavirus tests are still only just being sourced. China has gone from villain to saviour, as equipment and tests pour in – much of it brokered by the same Chinese immigrant community that has closed shops and shut itself away to avoid a racist backlash.

The virus has laid bare, too, deep faults in the Spanish care system. Private old people’s homes must turn a profit while charging people prices they can afford – which may be a basic pension of just over €9,000 ($9,900/£8,200). As a result, these were understaffed, unprepared and quickly overwhelmed, with death rates of up to 20%. The army was sent in, and found some people lying dead in their beds.

 

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Spain has a magnificent primary care system, but its hospitals have been hit by a decade of austerity since the financial crisis. It has only a third of the hospital beds per capita that are provided by Austria or Germany. Yet that is still more than the UK, New Zealand or the US. (Got that Bozo Johnson and Mr Ignorant Dump?)   :semifunny:

When Sánchez announced that he would be invoking emergency powers, he took more than 24 hours to put them in place – by which time part of the population of Madrid and other cities had dispersed across the country.

Poor coordination meant that the regional government of Madrid had closed universities and schools earlier that week, provoking a holiday atmosphere in which bars and parks were full and many families left for their beach homes.


The lockdown that began on 14 March has been efficiently enforced with police fines and popular pressure (including eggs hurled from balconies). As a result, Spain’s ghastly curve of fatalities will begin to flatten soon and ministers say measures should start being relaxed when the month-long quarantine ends on 11 April. Yet no one expects a return to normality.

When this is over, Spain will be extremely fragile. When the financial crisis hit in 2008, unemployment soared to 27%, public debt leapt upwards and the nosedive into recession was among the worst in Europe. Much the same will happen this year.

The solutions imposed a decade ago – austerity, jobs losses and salary cuts – will not be tolerated. The economist Toni Roldán has calculated that Spain needs a €200bn loan from the European Stability Mechanism (ESM). That, however, must wait. For the moment, Spain must beat the virus. This has been the toughest moment so far, but there may be worse to come. 

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