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8 hours ago, Jazzy Jan said:

Very interesting article @funkydita  

Excuse my ignorance as don't live in the UK,  but Labour must be absolutely appalling if people are choosing Boris over them.   His response to Covid has been disgraceful.  So many deaths on his watch.  The corruption on top of that.  Has the vaccine roll out saved him or was he on the way to victory without it ?    

Where did Labour go wrong ?  Is there no hunger amongst the UK people to have an alternative party that has different values ?   Are people really that apathetic that they just accept Boris and his corrupt inept party as decision makers in their future.  Surely there must be some passionate people who want to lift Labour back into serious opposition.  

 Every time I see Boris on television,  I just think how dreadful he is and how the UK must shudder to have him as his leader but he seems so popular.  

Maybe this will help explain it. Can you identify the flaw in their logic?

 

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16 hours ago, Kim said:

Maybe this will help explain it. Can you identify the flaw in their logic?

 

So infuriating.  Who do they think has been in power in ages ? Ultimately calling the shots.  Who does not value public hospitals and are all for the rich ? Yet, they instead blame Labour and vote for the party that actively wants to keep people poor and working class.  Does my head in why people are so stupid.  Same here.  Our conservative party takes away penalty rates for hospitality workers and some of those exact same workers vote for them.  They are their own worst enemy.  You won't ever see the so called upper class or high income workers deviate away from the conservative party.  They are smart as those parties will always look after them.  It is senseless and crazy that working class people vote for a party that will NEVER look after them. 

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7 hours ago, Jazzy Jan said:

So infuriating.  Who do they think has been in power in ages ? Ultimately calling the shots.  Who does not value public hospitals and are all for the rich ? Yet, they instead blame Labour and vote for the party that actively wants to keep people poor and working class.  Does my head in why people are so stupid.  Same here.  Our conservative party takes away penalty rates for hospitality workers and some of those exact same workers vote for them.  They are their own worst enemy.  You won't ever see the so called upper class or high income workers deviate away from the conservative party.  They are smart as those parties will always look after them.  It is senseless and crazy that working class people vote for a party that will NEVER look after them. 

Yeah and you'd think the BBC dweeb nodding and smiling along might have mentioned that fact for a bit of balance.

I think someone in the comments mentions that it was under Cameron that the cuts they're complaining about happened, so these people (and so many others) are either so damn ignorant of the variances of local/national govt or they've just been completely radicalised. It's also damning of Labour's inability to communicate effectively.

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Those kind of people decide to be ignorant. It suits their own personal beliefs. They say things like that but they simply think they are the exception and the hospital cuttings or whatever will affect others. 
 

Conservatives always change their tune when the are the ones affected. And turn conservative again once the problem is solved. I've seen it many times.

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On 5/9/2021 at 3:09 AM, Jazzy Jan said:

Very interesting article @funkydita  

Excuse my ignorance as don't live in the UK,  but Labour must be absolutely appalling if people are choosing Boris over them.   His response to Covid has been disgraceful.  So many deaths on his watch.  The corruption on top of that.  Has the vaccine roll out saved him or was he on the way to victory without it ?    

Where did Labour go wrong ?  Is there no hunger amongst the UK people to have an alternative party that has different values ?   Are people really that apathetic that they just accept Boris and his corrupt inept party as decision makers in their future.  Surely there must be some passionate people who want to lift Labour back into serious opposition.  

 Every time I see Boris on television,  I just think how dreadful he is and how the UK must shudder to have him as his leader but he seems so popular.  

Sorry I didn’t reply sooner.  I think it’s a really complicated issue without a clear answer.  

Labour have been really confused and confusing for decades, I’d say.  They did such a volte face during the Blair years that they lost their clear distinction, be that by building on Thatcher’s legacy or the Iraq war.  Blair, essentially their most successful PM, is now seen as a war criminal worth tens of millions.  

Historically a party for the working class, Brexit was incredibly difficult for them with a working class diminished by years of Tory rule that had been conditioned to feel that “immigrants are taking our jobs”, at odds with urban liberals who passionately wanted to remain in the EU.  Leaders like Corbyn and Starmer are seen as metropolitan Londoners who have no connection to the wider working class experience across the country.  

They’ve also been at war with themselves for years with internal politics and divisions, played out in the open, massively hindering them.  

Socially too it’s been tricky e.g. a Tory government (historically overtly anti LGBT) ushered in gay marriage (I’m astounded at the number of openly Tory gay voters I’ve known over the years) or the badly handled accusations of Labour anti-semitism. I also think people have become more insular and self-serving e.g. those pesky gay Tories who now happily vote Tory as they’re not seen as homophobic. “For the many, not the few” doesn’t resonate hugely in a society that’s been splintered into often single issue causes.

Labour also have a messaging and positioning problem, I’m not sure many would be able to tell you what Labour now stand for and what their key policies / manifestos or points of difference are.  Unless they’re able to consistently articulate their position they won’t be seen as a viable alternative.

And so on and on…

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19 minutes ago, funkydita said:

Sorry I didn’t reply earlier.  I think it’s a really complicated issue without a clear answer.  

Labour have been really confused and confusing for decades, I’d say.  They did such a volte face during the Blair years that they lost their clear distinction, be that building on Thatcher’s legacy or the Iraq war.  Blair, essentially their most successful PM, is now seen as a war criminal worth tens of millions.  

Historically a party for the working class, Brexit was incredibly difficult for them with a working class diminished by years of Tory rule that had been conditioned to feel that “immigrants are taking our jobs”, at odds with urban liberals who passionately wanted to remain in the EU.  Leaders like Corbyn and Starmer are seen as metropolitan Londoners who have no connection to the wider working class experience across the country.  

They’ve also been at war with themselves for years with internal politics and divisions, played out in the open, massively hindering them.  

Socially too it’s been tricky e.g. a Tory government (historically overtly anti LGBT) ushered in gay marriage (I’m astounded at the number of openly Tory gay voters I’ve known over the years) or the badly handled accusations of Labour anti-semitism. I also think people have become more insular and self-serving e.g. those pesky gay Tories who now happily vote Tory as they’re not seen as homophobic. “For the many, not the few” doesn’t resonate hugely in a society that’s been splintered into often single issue causes.

Labour also have a messaging and positioning problem, I’m not sure many would be able to tell you what Labour now stand for and what their key policies / manifestos or points of difference are.  Unless they’re able to consistently articulate their position they won’t be seen as a viable alternative.

And so on and on…

How depressing, but you really can't argue with any of that. Permanent Tory rule for the foreseeable then, which would be bad enough were it just traditional Conservatism, but with this lot, we're basically talking UKIP.

I wouldn't vote for Labour again if you paid me, but then I have better, more progressive choices. 

 

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43 minutes ago, Kim said:

How depressing, but you really can't argue with any of that. Permanent Tory rule for the foreseeable then, which would be bad enough were it just traditional Conservatism, but with this lot, we're basically talking UKIP.

I wouldn't vote for Labour again if you paid me, but then I have better, more progressive choices. 

 

Viable alternatives are a real issue.  I voted Lib Dem in 2010 because of Iraq and the cunts formed a coalition with the fucking Tories. Never again. Tactical voting is the only way forward unfortunately.

Also, that Hartlepool clip you shared is really apt.  It exposes two issues for me, the lack of understanding of local v national politics and policy and the fact that you vote Labour “because you’re working class” - without understanding or being aware of the manifestos and policies that reasoning wears thin with time.  As does not voting Tory because you’re gay. SIGH.

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Every day it's something else with this cunt. A PM with a county court judgement against him. He obviously has serious issues with money. Donors paying for his flat refurbishment, his holidays and now this. All resignation matters back in normal times of course.

 

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On 5/10/2021 at 5:35 PM, funkydita said:

Sorry I didn’t reply sooner.  I think it’s a really complicated issue without a clear answer.  

Labour have been really confused and confusing for decades, I’d say.  They did such a volte face during the Blair years that they lost their clear distinction, be that by building on Thatcher’s legacy or the Iraq war.  Blair, essentially their most successful PM, is now seen as a war criminal worth tens of millions.  

Historically a party for the working class, Brexit was incredibly difficult for them with a working class diminished by years of Tory rule that had been conditioned to feel that “immigrants are taking our jobs”, at odds with urban liberals who passionately wanted to remain in the EU.  Leaders like Corbyn and Starmer are seen as metropolitan Londoners who have no connection to the wider working class experience across the country.  

They’ve also been at war with themselves for years with internal politics and divisions, played out in the open, massively hindering them.  

Socially too it’s been tricky e.g. a Tory government (historically overtly anti LGBT) ushered in gay marriage (I’m astounded at the number of openly Tory gay voters I’ve known over the years) or the badly handled accusations of Labour anti-semitism. I also think people have become more insular and self-serving e.g. those pesky gay Tories who now happily vote Tory as they’re not seen as homophobic. “For the many, not the few” doesn’t resonate hugely in a society that’s been splintered into often single issue causes.

Labour also have a messaging and positioning problem, I’m not sure many would be able to tell you what Labour now stand for and what their key policies / manifestos or points of difference are.  Unless they’re able to consistently articulate their position they won’t be seen as a viable alternative.

And so on and on…

Great analysis. So interesting

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On 5/10/2021 at 7:08 PM, funkydita said:

Viable alternatives are a real issue.  I voted Lib Dem in 2010 because of Iraq and the cunts formed a coalition with the fucking Tories. Never again. Tactical voting is the only way forward unfortunately.

Also, that Hartlepool clip you shared is really apt.  It exposes two issues for me, the lack of understanding of local v national politics and policy and the fact that you vote Labour “because you’re working class” - without understanding or being aware of the manifestos and policies that reasoning wears thin with time.  As does not voting Tory because you’re gay. SIGH.

Frankly, the left will only survive if they finally understand that it's not about left or right. It's about rich and poor. 

Sadly most socialist parties are so part of the rich agenda that the voters are fed up. 😢

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3 hours ago, Kim said:

Every day it's something else with this cunt. A PM with a county court judgement against him. He obviously has serious issues with money. Donors paying for his flat refurbishment, his holidays and now this. All resignation matters back in normal times of course.

 

The CCJ is hilarious. I would be mortified if I had a CCJ issued against me.  His credit rating must be worse than the country’s. 

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3 hours ago, karbatal said:

Frankly, the left will only survive if they finally understand that it's not about left or right. It's about rich and poor. 

Sadly most socialist parties are so part of the rich agenda that the voters are fed up. 😢

I think the next couple of decades are going to be interesting, particularly with seemingly more socially conscious young people reaching voting age, I wonder on what basis they’ll cast their votes eg economic v progressive social issues?  Also how will the landscape change as ageing voters (literally) die off?

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15 minutes ago, funkydita said:

I would be mortified if I had a CCJ issued against me.  His credit rating must be worse than the country’s. 

The slovenly pig's supporters will probably love him even more for it.

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On 5/10/2021 at 5:35 PM, funkydita said:

 

Historically a party for the working class, Brexit was incredibly difficult for them with a working class diminished by years of Tory rule that had been conditioned to feel that “immigrants are taking our jobs”, at odds with urban liberals who passionately wanted to remain in the EU.  Leaders like Corbyn and Starmer are seen as metropolitan Londoners who have no connection to the wider working class experience across the country.  

 

I have the feeling that this is happening with most of left winged political parties everywhere

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On 5/12/2021 at 4:46 PM, Kim said:

The slovenly pig's supporters will probably love him even more for it.

Nothing sticks to him. It's so fucking infuriating!! 

 

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So here's a nice story from today here in Glasgow.

The UK govt send in immigration vans to detain asylum seekers, locals come out in force, surround the fuckers and block the street leading to their eventual release after a stand off with police. The power of COMMUNITY, solidarity and internationalism. Stick your 'hostile environment' up your arse Bozo.

 

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On 5/14/2021 at 5:10 PM, Kim said:

They're really determined to neuter everything aren't they? There goes Ch4 news...

 

Wow

For a couple of years I watched some news from Channel 4 and they were so well done. 

They did really good coverage on the stabbing in Uk cities and they had experts who worked in the street with those young bands. Really really well done. 

Media landscape is being destroyed as we speak.

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On 5/13/2021 at 10:31 PM, Kim said:

So here's a nice story from today here in Glasgow.

The UK govt send in immigration vans to detain asylum seekers, locals come out in force, surround the fuckers and block the street leading to their eventual release after a stand off with police. The power of COMMUNITY, solidarity and internationalism. Stick your 'hostile environment' up your arse Bozo.

 

Really inspiring!

Not only we need Scotland in the EU, but Nicola as president of the Commission!!!! 

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On 5/13/2021 at 8:16 AM, promise to try said:

I have the feeling that this is happening with most of left winged political parties everywhere

You're right and that's why working class is voting for liberal parties that actually work against their interests or neo-nazi formations

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2 minutes ago, sotos8 said:

You're right and that's why working class is voting for liberal parties that actually work against their interests or neo-nazi formations

They feel above immigrants or refugees, or above people getting social help. As if they had more rights. While in fact they are disposable pieces who can be tossed away when the rich want. 

Right wing parties are being supported too because the old white farts feel that the patriarchy is ending and they desperately want to fight the feminism. 

In the end it's a big group of people who sense that their comfortability is in danger and they think the culprits are the poors or foreigner. Meanwhile those in power are getting richer. And eating popcorn watching us fight among ourselves.

 

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What the fuck is all this PRINCESS DI shit about NOW?

No great surprise that Wills would gaslight his own dead mother as a paranoiac basketcase to prop up the monarchy and help dismantle the BBC, but only Mental Island would make it headline news for a week as yet another distraction technique.

When will it ever end....

 

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4 hours ago, Kim said:

Latest YouGov GE poll predicts -

uNiTeD kInGdOm

bEtTeR tOgEtHeR

etc

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Uou! Its clear where things are heading...

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7 hours ago, elijah said:

Uou! Its clear where things are heading...

Well...maybe.

But one thing is for certain, and that's England is content to be in Tory hell forever - no matter how evil they are, no matter how much they rob the country blind, no matter how much their farming/fishing/small businesses have been decimated. What a bizarre, gas lit nation.

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Dominica is throwing them all under the bus.

Under normal circumstances this would be enough to bring down a government but as usual no one cares. Disgusting! 

 

 

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The key moments from Dominic Cummings’ Coronavirus evidence

Cummings alleged he was concerned about the potential of a pandemic as early as January. He said he texted Health Secretary Matt Hancock to ask if pandemic planning structures were in place and that Hancock reassured him. He said these plans turned out to be “completely hollow” and that he regretted not following up on the issue.

He said there was a lack of urgency from people in the government when the crisis started to unfold, with people even “off skiing” in February. “In no way shape or form did the government act like it was the most important thing. It didn’t act like it was the most important thing in February, let alone January,” he said.

Cummings argued that a lot of the government’s logic was based on “duff studies” from behavioural scientists assuming that the public would not accept restrictions.

He said he tried to persuade Johnson to impose lockdown earlier by presenting a different plan and said that his fears were echoed by others in Downing Street, including the Cabinet Office’s Helen McNamara, who allegedly told Cummings “We’re absolutely f*cked” in March.

“This is like a scene from Independence Day with Jeff Goldblum saying the aliens are here and your whole plan is broken,” Cummings told the committee

Cummings alleged the Prime Minister made a number of controversial comments regarding coronavirus, including that he saw it as “the new swine flu” and “a scare story”. Cummings also said it was suggested chief medical officer Professor Chris Whitty should inject Johnson with the virus on live TV to show it was nothing to be scared of.

He also alleged Johnson was more concerned about the measures against Covid causing harm than the disease itself, and that it was “crackers” that the public had to put up with Johnson leading the fight against the virus. “The problem in this crisis was very much lions led by donkeys over and over again,” he said.

During the summer, when cases were low, the Prime Minister apparently regretted lockdown and said he wished he had acted like the mayor from the film Jaws who kept the beaches open during a crisis, comments that have been reported in the past, according to Cummings. Cummings also said there was a general notion by the summer that the crisis was over, which turned out to be a “terrible, terrible mistake”. Johnson was “more concerned about the economy” by that point, he said.

Cummings also spoke about the PM’s relationship with the media, which he was, he said “about a thousand times too obsessed with”, to the point that it stopped him from being able to do his job. He said Johnson was completely led by headlines when planning his day and that Cummings “fundamentally disagreed” with him on “pretty much everything with communications”. “If the Prime Minister changes his mind 10 times a day, and then calls up media and contradicts own policy day after day, you’re going to have a communications disaster,” he said.

Cummings confirmed that Johnson did make a comment about letting “bodies pile high” on 31 October. He even said Johnson preferred there to be chaos in the country so that people could look to him “to see who is in charge”.

“I regarded him as unfit for the job”, he said, and added that by the end of October their relationship was “pretty much finished”. Overall, he said, Johnson was “like a shopping trolley slamming from one side of the aisle to the other.” 

Health Secretary Matt Hancock bore perhaps most of the brunt of Cummings’ wrath. He said Hancock “should have been fired for about 15 to 20 different things… including lying to everybody on multiple occasions in meeting after meeting in the Cabinet room and publicly”. He claimed that many senior officials agreed with him.

Damningly, he accused Hancock of “criminal, disgraceful behaviour” over his public pledge to complete 100,000 tests a day by the end of April. He said it caused huge problems for the government because it meant Whitehall was caught between rushing to hit this “stupid target” and building “medium term” infrastructure to make more tests. He said Hancock “wanted to go on TV and say ‘look at me and my 100,000 test’” and that “he should have been fired for that thing alone”.

Testing had to be moved out of Hancock’s department and by the time test and trace was set up there were too many cases for it to function, Cummings said.

He also said Hancock lied about people being able to get treatment for other illnesses over the summer (“he knew that was a lie”) and said he was responsible for people not being tested before entering care homes and “seeding” coronavirus.

Hancock blamed scientists for various issues and used Patrick Vallance and Chris Whitty “as a shield for himself,” Cummings also alleged.

Cummings appeared most aggravated when talking about herd immunity and said he had no idea why the government was “lying” about not pursuing it as a strategy. He said there was an assumption in government that there could either be one sharp peak of the virus, followed by herd immunity by September, or a moderate curbing of cases, followed by an even worse second peak in the winter, which would have been worse for the NHS.

On 12 March, he said Johnson was told by the then Cabinet Secretary Mark Sedwill to go on TV and explain the herd immunity plan by saying “it’s like the old chicken pox parties, we need people to get this disease because that’s how we get herd immunity by September.” At the time, Cummings allegedly said: “Mark, you’ve got to stop this chicken pox analogy”.

Cummings had harsh words about Johnson’s fiancée as well. He said that one of the reasons lockdown was delayed is because the government was distracted by Symonds “going completely crackers” about a “trivial” story about her dog’s behaviour that was reported in The Times. He also said she was “desperate” to remove him and his team from Number 10 and tried to appoint “her friends” to positions in Number 10 in a “completely unethical” and “clearly illegal” manner.

“My resignation was definitely connected to the fact that the Prime Minister’s girlfriend was trying to change a whole bunch of different appointments at Number 10 and appoint her friends to particular jobs... I thought the whole process about how the Prime Minister was behaving at that point was appalling and all that was definitely part of why I went,” he said.

Johnson did not listen to any advice about having a circuit break lockdown in September, instead opting to “hit and hope”, according to Cummings. Even Hancock apparently supported Cummings on it, he said, and criticised Johnson for not “learning from mistakes”.

He said he was not surprised that the government wasn’t acting quickly to deal with the Indian variant and said he had “deja vu”.

Cummings pushed for a public inquiry into the pandemic. Johnson has committed to an inquiry which will start in spring 2022, but Cummings said: “When you have a crisis this bad, you’ve got to face reality.”

“Tens of thousands of people died who didn’t need to die,” he told MPs. “There is absolutely no excuse for delaying that because a lot of the reasons for why that happened are still in place now.”

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2 hours ago, Suedehead said:

Dominica is throwing them all under the bus.

Under normal circumstances this would be enough to bring down a government but as usual no one cares. Disgusting! 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Kim said:

The key moments from Dominic Cummings’ Coronavirus evidence

 

 

Absolutely horrifying reading Cummings Coronavirus evidence.  Boris the clown and his party are not only heartless but inept and unprepared. Imagine him being in charge in the World wars.  The fact this narcissistic evil fool who achieves nothing is popular is terrifying.  Also that people shrug off this evidence with apathy and therefore excuse him. 

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7 minutes ago, Jazzy Jan said:

Absolutely horrifying reading Cummings Coronavirus evidence.  Boris the clown and his party are not only heartless but inept and unprepared. Imagine him being in charge in the World wars.  The fact this narcissistic evil fool who achieves nothing is popular is terrifying.  Also that people shrug off this evidence with apathy and therefore excuse him. 

Terrifying having such incompetents running the country - and so many people needlessly dead.

Notable by their absence in his evidence are two main players Gove and Sunak who're apparently Murdoch's favourites to replace the fat oaf.

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