Coronavirus

[VogueMusic]

11 hours ago, boy skeffington said:

I agree. Of course to many people it's annoying and frustrating to stay home if they are healthy and feel fine. BUT they may not be showing symptoms. Staying home is not really so much about containment at this point but hopefully creating a buffer so all the cases don't crush and keep crushing the healthcare systems that can't keep up. 

I'm blue in the face explaining to young, healthy or extraverted people to just stay home for the good of everyone. It's a selfless thing to do. I actually hope most countries go on mandated quarantine for a few weeks so people feel obligated to stay home rather than it being a choice. The government mandate means that people with jobs that can't be done remotely get to stay home too. 

Stay well everyone. 

 

4 hours ago, dcbyebyebaby said:

Literally none of the people I know are taking this seriously. My cousin went to NYC for spring break. My friends on instagram from college are all drinking for St Patricks day in bars. Like are they not scared at all?

 

THIS.

SO many I know, especially those over 60 with underlying health issues, are all not taking this seriously...thinking they can just go about as normal. I just think to myself...are fucking kidding me!!!??? 

And don't get me started on young people. The amount of these social media personalities on all their insta stories getting on airplanes and taking their fancy trips right now like nothing is different... WTF?????!!!!!!   It's really a wake up call to how entitled we are in the US.

I don't understand why it's so hard for so many to accept some sacrifice now so we can all be better/safer/healthier in the long run for the greater good...? 

Why is it so hard to stay your ass home?

 

 

8 hours ago, LSD said:

 

What a dumb fuck.

[karbatal]

7 hours ago, LSD said:

 

This is what I mean. Western society is very difficult to accept individual freedom to be conditioned. This is normally a virtue but now has become a problem.

[Aime]

6 minutes ago, karbatal said:

Well, if you live there you'll know how discipline is part of the culture and it's far easier to tell the population what to do. 

Get offended if you want. I couldn't give a damn.

Well, of course. Saying ignorant shit (like that time you applauded that racist teacher calling black kids "dumb N*****s" for misbehaving during class) and never having the courage to admit it was, indeed, ignorant or stupid is no surprise when it comes to you.

[horn]

8 hours ago, LSD said:

 

Dumb fuck!

I hope this cunt gets infected.

And because ppl like her, the virus is spreading like wild fire in the US.

[Gaudet]

Got a dry cough. Measuring temperature. Will never know if I have it as UK gov is gonna kill us all without providing for tests

Some really vile posts on thic thread

[Paul]

6 hours ago, dcbyebyebaby said:

My mom went to the Casino today and said it was packed. I swear if she brings that shit home I will be pissed. 

 

4 hours ago, dcbyebyebaby said:

My mom sent me this. Shes a hardcore right wing conspiracy nutjob that belongs to Qanon.  They are predicting that Madonna will be arrested and the coronavirus will be used as an excuse. They are also predicting JFK Jr is alive and will be Trumps new VP. These people are so stupid.
 

 

No offence to you, but your mother is an idiot.

[karbatal]

1 hour ago, Aime said:

Well, of course. Saying ignorant shit (like that time you applauded that racist teacher calling black kids "dumb N*****s" for misbehaving during class) and never having the courage to admit it was, indeed, ignorant or stupid is no surprise when it comes to you.

??????

Are you having some problems? Your post is so crazy and absurd that I can't even get angry. I'm sincerely worried about you. 

[acko]

48 minutes ago, horn said:

Dumb fuck!

I hope this cunt gets infected.

And because ppl like her, the virus is spreading like wild fire in the US.

A lot of people here crossing the border to go have dinner and drinks in Holland. It's disgusting behaviour.

Those people need 2 b fined and their acces to health care funds and hospitals denied. Selfish cunts.

Also I can't believe how behind Holland is in their approach.

[Paul]

1 hour ago, VogueMusic said:

 

 

THIS.

SO many I know, especially those over 60 with underlying health issues, are all not taking this seriously...thinking they can just go about as normal. I just think to myself...are fucking kidding me!!!??? 

And don't get me started on young people. The amount of these social media personalities on all their insta stories getting on airplanes and taking their fancy trips right now like nothing is different... WTF?????!!!!!!   It's really a wake up call to how entitled we are in the US.

I don't understand why it's so hard for so many to accept some sacrifice now so we can all be better/safer/healthier in the long run for the greater good...? 

Why is it so hard to stay your ass home?

 

 

1 hour ago, karbatal said:

This is what I mean. Western society is very difficult to accept individual freedom to be conditioned. This is normally a virtue but now has become a problem.

All true. I've cancelled my holiday (and probably lost about $4000) and going out of my way to stay at home as much as possible and being extra careful when i do go out. I'm not a high risk of significant adverse effects, but very aware that just going out will contribute to spreading it further. And then to see the idiots fighting over toilet paper (in crowded stores) and complaining about cancelled events, or recklessly just going on as normal, and all I can think: these are the people that our sacrifices are protecting.

Finally Australia has taken some serious steps to limit the spread, but we should do more. They keep saying "we're not at the Italy/France/Spain stage yet" .. well, if we dont do more now, we will be there very soon. The number of new cases is growing each day.

[horn]

To all UK fans, your government wants you to get infected with COVID-19 virus!  

Even while canceling mass gatherings, the U.K. is still aiming for deliberate ‘herd immunity’
BY KATHERINE DUNN AND JEREMY KAHN
March 14, 2020 3:00 PM EST

The U.K. will cancel mass gatherings beginning next weekend, The Guardian newspaper reported Friday night, after a wave of high-profile cancellations and pressure from the public and scientific community appeared to force the government's hand.

The announcement came after British institutions, from football's Premier League to the Queen, moved to cancel games and official engagements, despite official government policy that cancellations would do little to stem infections and would cause too large a disruption on public life.

It also followed statements from both well-known scientists and politicians criticizing Boris Johnson's government's strategy for fighting coronavirus, which takes a markedly different approach than most European governments and, despite Friday's announcement, remains in place.

At the heart of that outcry: a policy to push for "herd immunity" to the virus, which would involve allowing at least 40 million Britons to become infected in the hopes of building up a long-term, society-wide resistance to the disease.

"Our aim is to try and reduce the peak [of the infections], broaden the peak, not suppress it completely," Patrick Vallance, chief scientific advisor to the U.K. government, told BBC Radio 4's Today program on Friday. "Also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission."

For herd immunity to kick in, the U.K. government said that about 60% of the population would need to contract the virus. At that point, the rate of transmissions drops enough to protect the remaining 40% of the population from contracting the virus. But the strategy is also based around trying to manage which people are in that 60%—in an ideal scenario, the government would want only those most likely to experience a mild illness to get infected. (The government has previously said, that in a worst case scenario, 80% of the population might eventually contract the virus, above the German government's estimate of 70%.)

The U.K.'s approach means many healthy people in the country have to get the disease—while keeping the fatality rate as low as possible. It's a marked break with the approach in much of the rest of the world, which is to stop people from getting coronavirus, period.

It's also an approach that is based on the assumptions that COVID-19 will be a recurring, seasonal virus—like the flu—and that once you get the virus, you can't get it again. If that's the case—and those are very big ifs—there are usually two ways to manage a virus long-term. The first is through a vaccine, and if one doesn't exist, the second is through enough people catching the virus, recovering, and being immune to re-infection, therefore making the virus much less common, and less of a risk to those who are vulnerable.

The problem is that this approach is still extremely risky, as multiple scientific experts pointed out.

"I've been talking to other academics, science journalists, private companies, & gov't people all of today and still struggling to understand this," Devi Sridhar, Chair of Global Public Health at the University of Edinburgh tweeted. "The gov't seems to be following flu playbook strategy. But this is not the flu. COVID-19 is much worse & health outcomes are sobering."

In the mean time, it's likely impossible to completely sequester those who are vulnerable or know exactly who will be vulnerable in the first place. Herd immunity is difficult; in the case of measles, for example, it's is only preserved through very high vaccination rates.

During the press conference on Thursday evening with Vallance, chief medical officer Chris Whitty, and prime minister Johnson, the government announced the country was moving to the "delay" phase for managing the virus, which includes attempting to lessen the pressure on the health system by flattening out the curve of cases and pushing the peak of the virus out to the warmer months, when respiratory viruses are typically not as viral.

That approach includes asking people with even very mild cough and flu symptoms to stay home, but stopped short of the measures seen in most other European countries and increasingly in North America, including closing schools and colleges.

The government said Thursday that it may have to impose these more stringent measures at some point in the future, but that doing so now would be premature, disrupting daily life before it was absolutely necessary, and risking the public would grow tired of complying with the restrictions and begin to ignore them just when the peak number of infections might be expected, based on the data the U.K. government has crunched.

It's a strategy that relies heavily on mathematical modeling and a government behavioral insights team, known by the nickname the "nudge unit", for their use of a psychological theory to "nudge" people towards certain behaviors—like paying their taxes, or staying home when they feel sick.

But the announced new measures, which are far less strict than those other nations' have imposed, paired with the emphasis on herd immunity, also provoked staunch criticism from both well-known virologists and epidemiologists, and politicians, including Conservatives.

On the BBC's Newsnight program, Conservative MP Jeremy Hunt, a former health secretary and foreign secretary, called the decision not to cancel large gatherings "surprising and concerning," and said that given predictions the U.K. will reach Italy's current infection rates in roughly four weeks, more extreme measures should be taken to prepare.

Meanwhile Rory Stewart, a former Conservative cabinet minister, called it a "very eccentric" tactic in an interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour, and said the government's approach risked spreading the virus to the rest of the world, while underestimating the impact of the virus on the country's own health system.

"Britain is trying to follow a theory of herd immunity. In other words they believe it’s impossible to get on top of this disease, and therefore you have to ultimately let it run through the population," Stewart said.

"That is a very, very big choice. It’s not a scientific choice, it’s fundamentally a political choice. These are judgements about what the population are prepared to put up with, these are judgements about how long people are prepared to have schools closed, these are judgements fundamentally about economics.”

Stewart added that he thought the government had made the wrong judgement by not being transparent, and said that "when the public understands that implicit in this argument is that they would rather that people died earlier to prevent more people dying later, the public will be very troubled.”

"It is baffling," tweeted Gavin Yamey, director of the Center for Policy Impact in Global Health at Duke University. "How does Vallance *know* that this is going to be an endemic seasonal virus? How does Vallance *know* that the best approach is to deliberately hope most people get infected? Where on earth is the evidence behind this very, very risky approach??"

The announcement of the government's new strategy on Wednesday included a new policy that the NHS will stop testing for the virus outside of hospitals, leaving mild cases untested and unconfirmed. That would make it more difficult to determine when the population had indeed reached herd immunity, other than by extrapolating backwards from the fatality rate of confirmed coronavirus cases in hospitals.

But the lack of testing for mild cases, which are believed to be the vast majority, was also likely to distort the country's fatality statistics, pointed out Lindsay Broadbent, an expert on respiratory virus infections at the Centre for Experimental Medicine at Queen’s University Belfast.

"Testing as many as possible is so important. South Korea are an excellent example of this," she tweeted. "With the U.K. gov announcing they will restrict testing to more severe patients this will make isolation of infected difficult and will look like we have a high fatality rate!"

On Friday afternoon, the U.K. had 798 reported cases of coronavirus, a jump of more than 35% from the previous day, with 10 fatalities.

https://fortune.com/2020/03/14/coronavirus-uk-cases-herd-immunity-covid-19/

[Creepy Insane Person]

The way the Uk government is handling it is absolutelty disgusting. 

[Paul]

55 minutes ago, horn said:

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But the lack of testing for mild cases, which are believed to be the vast majority, was also likely to distort the country's fatality statistics, pointed out Lindsay Broadbent, an expert on respiratory virus infections at the Centre for Experimental Medicine at Queen’s University Belfast.

"Testing as many as possible is so important. South Korea are an excellent example of this," she tweeted. "With the U.K. gov announcing they will restrict testing to more severe patients this will make isolation of infected difficult and will look like we have a high fatality rate!"

On Friday afternoon, the U.K. had 798 reported cases of coronavirus, a jump of more than 35% from the previous day, with 10 fatalities.

https://fortune.com/2020/03/14/coronavirus-uk-cases-herd-immunity-covid-19/

It sounds like UK will be like Italy within a week.

Australia is also limiting testing to only specific cases of known close contact with other confirmed cases or symptomatic people only if they have been in certain countries. This means we don't really know how widespread community transmission already is, so our control measures are probably already behind what is needed. However, apparently they are limiting testing because there is a global shortage of the things (??) needed to do the tests.

[horn]

Where is god?

R-E-S-C-U-E ME
Only you can rescue me!  

[Aime]

1 hour ago, karbatal said:

??????

Are you having some problems? Your post is so crazy and absurd that I can't even get angry. I'm sincerely worried about you. 

LMAO. You're posting unnecessary xenophobic comments in a thread that has nothing to do with them, trying to school me on my own culture, then saying you don't give a damn if your xenophobia offends anyone... and apparently, *I* am the one who's acting absurd?!  Well, at least now that I know you do mean these terrible things you say, nothing more for me to add.

[karbatal]

21 minutes ago, Aime said:

LMAO. You're posting unnecessary xenophobic comments in a thread that has nothing to do with them, trying to school me on my own culture, then saying you don't give a damn if your xenophobia offends anyone... and apparently, *I* am the one who's acting absurd?!  Well, at least now that I know you do mean these terrible things you say, nothing more for me to add.

Ok, I'm too happy making flower arrangements at home and have no intention of arguing. Keep on with your life.  

Bye bye baby

[karbatal]

I've decided to use this imprisonment at home to practice on floral structures. It will be difficult because I can't go and find some wood and branches and will have to use whatever I have at home. I made this today!!! 

 

[Flip The Switch]

 

[Creepy Insane Person]

2 hours ago, Paul said:

 

All true. I've cancelled my holiday (and probably lost about $4000) and going out of my way to stay at home as much as possible and being extra careful when i do go out. I'm not a high risk of significant adverse effects, but very aware that just going out will contribute to spreading it further. And then to see the idiots fighting over toilet paper (in crowded stores) and complaining about cancelled events, or recklessly just going on as normal, and all I can think: these are the people that our sacrifices are protecting.

Finally Australia has taken some serious steps to limit the spread, but we should do more. They keep saying "we're not at the Italy/France/Spain stage yet" .. well, if we dont do more now, we will be there very soon. The number of new cases is growing each day.

Australia is doing somewhat of a good job here. Good thing about Aus is that it’s very sparsely populated and we are lot less crowded with a lot less people than Europe. This is why i don’t think Aus will ever get as bad as Europe. I just hope Aus does a lot more such as banning all international flights etc. 

 

the fact that not everybody can get tested is just ....

 

 

[Creepy Insane Person]

Now, i’m starting to feel sick. Then again, i’ve been very paranoid, stress and anxious for the past days so it may be stress/anxiety related sickness.

[Gaudet]

@horn we bloody know, thank you very fucking much, hard to not know the moronic fucked up things those UK government murderers fart every single day.... we know we are in the shit, much more than a lot of people can comprehend on this thread or anywhere else.

 

Regardless of where it comes from, also a lot of people seem to miss the point about that I Rise clip, clearly... too tired and fatigued to explain.

 

Anyway

Take care @Jazzy Jan @XXL @peter @Butter9 be safe, stay safe

[Genevieve Vavance]

6 minutes ago, Gaudet said:

@horn we bloody know, thank you very fucking much, hard to not know the moronic fucked up things those UK government murderers fart every single day.... we know we are in the shit, much more than a lot of people can comprehend on this thread or anywhere else.

 

Regardless of where it comes from, also a lot of people seem to miss the point about that I Rise clip, clearly... too tired and fatigued to explain.

 

Anyway

Take care @Jazzy Jan @XXL @peter @Butter9 be safe, stay safe

I too hope those 4 people won't get sick

[Flip The Switch]

Stay safe locas!

[FreeMySoul]

26 minutes ago, Jitterbug said:

Now, i’m starting to feel sick. Then again, i’ve been very paranoid, stress and anxious for the past days so it may be stress/anxiety related sickness.

It's understandable to become paranoid with all the non stop panic reporting and social media posts.

I freak out every time I cough or sneeze. I suffer from anxiety too and the best thing to do is step away for a bit practice a bit of self care and try to relax.

[Creepy Insane Person]

42 minutes ago, FreeMySoul said:

It's understandable to become paranoid with all the non stop panic reporting and social media posts.

I freak out every time I cough or sneeze. I suffer from anxiety too and the best thing to do is step away for a bit practice a bit of self care and try to relax.

That’s right. I’m fatique and developed a wierd feeling in my throat. Can’t be corona as there’s only like 20 cases in my city of over 2 million people plus i’ve been avoiding busy places with lots of people. My city is very sparsely populated. This is the worst time to get sick, i always get sick at the worst times when things are due so soon or during the peak of these outbreaks. It’s just incovenience. 

[horn]

1 hour ago, Jitterbug said:

Now, i’m starting to feel sick. Then again, i’ve been very paranoid, stress and anxious for the past days so it may be stress/anxiety related sickness.

See a doctor.

Coronavirus is less lethal than the seasonal flu. 

The wide spread infection is because people has no immunity for this new virus.

Have enough rest, stay hydrated, take meds for fever, take care of personal hygiene and avoid going out spreading to others. And remember to EAT, your body need energy to fight back.

[Creepy Insane Person]

1 minute ago, horn said:

See a doctor.

Coronavirus is less lethal than the seasonal flu. 

The wide spread infection is because people has no immunity for this new virus.

Have enough rest, stay hydrated, take meds for fever, take care of personal hygiene and avoid going out spreading to others. And remember to EAT, your body need energy to fight back.

Thank you  

 

I’m 24/25 years old. It can’t be corona for sure. I’m sure its stress/anxiety related sickness.

 

[Butter9]

1 hour ago, Gaudet said:

@horn we bloody know, thank you very fucking much, hard to not know the moronic fucked up things those UK government murderers fart every single day.... we know we are in the shit, much more than a lot of people can comprehend on this thread or anywhere else.

 

Regardless of where it comes from, also a lot of people seem to miss the point about that I Rise clip, clearly... too tired and fatigued to explain.

 

Anyway

Take care @Jazzy Jan @XXL @peter @Butter9 be safe, stay safe

Take good care @Gaudet

Remember . Wash hands regularly ( Liquid soap not bar ) , wear mask if you are coughing / sneezing and get some hand sanitiser gel / spray to carry around with you . Stay safe and sane .

[horn]

1 hour ago, Jitterbug said:

Thank you  

I’m 24/25 years old. It can’t be corona for sure. I’m sure its stress/anxiety related sickness.

Coronavirus has no age preference.

There are cases where children as young as 2 years old got infected. Young adults are infected as well.

The virus will attack people with lower immunity.

[LSD]

[karbatal]

Omg ISIS recommends terrorists not to travel to Europe. I can't

Who is directing this spoof movie we're living in???

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/isis-issues-coronavirus-travel-advice-terrorists-should-avoid-europe-5m89dvjjw