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haven't seen the documentary yet but don't think i'm going to be shocked about any revelation. In the 80s MJ was dragging little boys with him around the world and people though it was adorable. I was like 13 and thought it was disturbing. Hell even Madonna (her management probably) hired that boy to star in her videos and tour. Oh well, 80s was a different world.. Funny i still do enjoy some of MJ hits and videos. He was just that great a pop star.

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Haven't seen it yet in France...

 

 

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3 hours ago, Crystal Coffin said:

@Jazzy Jan My favorite part of the docco is when James' mother said that she was dancing upon hearing the news of MJ's death, because no children could ever be abused by him anymore. And there was a certain strange kind of sadness that hit my heart about the last time Wade saw MJ - that moment when MJ went upstairs after having too much wine. . I don't know, it felt extremely bleak.

Yes, it was very bleak and sad. 

 

2 hours ago, Like2Watch said:

haven't seen the documentary yet but don't think i'm going to be shocked about any revelation. In the 80s MJ was dragging little boys with him around the world and people though it was adorable. I was like 13 and thought it was disturbing. Hell even Madonna (her management probably) hired that boy to star in her videos and tour. Oh well, 80s was a different world.. Funny i still do enjoy some of MJ hits and videos. He was just that great a pop star.

Nothing to do with the 80's and the Madonna example you are using was nothing remotely like MJ. It' was MJ that had kids staying over in his bed for sleepovers and travelling with him always. That was his behaviour, nothing to do with the time it happened in. Stacks of people found it disturbing and inappropriate then as well. 

2 hours ago, Music said:

Haven't seen it yet in France...

 

 

O'h look, here is that revolting Piers Morgan -  a Jackson supporter - doing what he always does in interviews. Taking over, just giving his view and interrupting the guest with the same things over and over.  He does not listen or interview properly at all, just gives his views and interrupts all the time.  Then he has to throw in Jussie Smollett, anti Trump people and his hatred for the Me Too movement, nothing to do with this case at all. Everything is about his voice and his view. 

Funnily enough, he has been doing his usual celebrity name dropping and self congratulations of gloating about a secret MJ interview that when heard, was the usual MJ victimisation and conspiracy stuff. Nothing enlightening at all but Piers as usual just gloating about the fact he spoke to a superstar. 

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7 hours ago, Crystal Coffin said:

And there was a certain strange kind of sadness that hit my heart about the last time Wade saw MJ - that moment when MJ went upstairs after having too much wine. . I don't know, it felt extremely bleak.

Yes and how Paris was trying to get his attention but he was too out of it to even notice, and then when Wade and his wife were wondering if they should go check on him his kids were like ohhhh he's fine.  I feel like he was in this state for the majority of their lives

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8 hours ago, le smoking said:

Yes and how Paris was trying to get his attention but he was too out of it to even notice, and then when Wade and his wife were wondering if they should go check on him his kids were like ohhhh he's fine.  I feel like he was in this state for the majority of their lives

He was already dead even before his death. 

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Michael Jackson 'innocent' adverts to be removed from London buses

By Matthew Robinson, CNN  

Updated 12:28 PM EDT, Thu March 14, 2019

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London (CNN) - London's transport authority says it will remove bus adverts proclaiming that the late pop legend Michael Jackson was innocent over child sexual abuse claims.

Transport for London (TfL) made the decision following a backlash from charities representing victims of child sex abuse.

The posters, which were financed through a crowdfunding campaign, featured the slogans: "FACTS DON'T LIE. PEOPLE DO" and "#MJINNOCENT."

The adverts direct viewers to the website of The Michael Jackson Innocent Project, an organization that seeks to prove Jackson's innocence.

The advertisement campaign was in response to a four-hour documentary, "Leaving Neverland," broadcast last week, which included the accounts of two men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who accused Jackson of repeated sexual abuse when they were children.

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Michael Jackson fans staged a protest outside the headquarters of Channel 4 ahead of the airing of the documentary "Leaving Neverland."

The Survivors Trust, a charity supporting victims of sexual abuse, expressed concern over the adverts, criticizing TfL for prioritizing "advertising revenue over the option of remaining neutral on such an emotional topic."

"An advertising campaign such as this, paid for by a supporter of an alleged perpetrator, only serves to support a toxic social narrative that prevents survivors from thinking they will be believed and speaking up," the charity told CNN in a statement.

TfL stated it had reviewed its position and "will be removing these advertisements." "They have been rejected due to the public sensitivity and concern around their content," TfL said in a statement. 

Taj Jackson, Michael's nephew, responded to news of TfL's decision, writing on Twitter: "Let me know if there is any legal recourse for this from my end." 

The MJ Innocent Project also expressed concern over the announcement, but noted that the campaign is "much bigger" than the adverts, and will continue to highlight the "grave miscarriage of justice" that Jackson is suffering as a result of the accusations. The campaign told CNN that they are "looking into all possible options" about how to continue spreading their message.

"Take solace knowing that we are winning this battle and rest assured, to anyone who thought having our campaign featured on the side of buses was a big deal... just wait until you see what else we have in store," the organization wrote on Twitter. 

Anika Kotecha, a lawyer and one of the campaign's organizers, told CNN she was "really disappointed" with the ruling and described it as an "affront to free speech and the presumption of innocence before proven guilty." 

She described the documentary as "one-sided" and condemned it for not look at any "evidence to the contrary." 

"As soon as someone makes as accusation it is accepted as fact, so why go through due process?" she questioned. 

"I'm not defending him because he can sing or he can dance. A victim of false allegations is as much a victim as one of real child abuse," she previously told CNN.

The documentary, which was broadcast on the British television network Channel 4, sparked protests from Jackson defenders outside the organization's headquarters in London before its launch.

Robson, 36, and Safechuck, 41, allege that Jackson groomed and molested them as children, and say that the abuse lasted for multiple years, only ending when Jackson met new children. 

The Jackson family rejected the accusations in a statement, saying: "Michael was subjected to a thorough investigation which included a surprise raid of Neverland and other properties as well as a jury trial where Michael was found to be completely innocent."

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^ justiceforMJgofundme... Now look who desperately wants MONEY to secure the money-making machine that was MJs legacy... the irony! 

 

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12 hours ago, Jazzy Jan said:

Yes, it was very bleak and sad. 

 

Nothing to do with the 80's and the Madonna example you are using was nothing remotely like MJ. It' was MJ that had kids staying over in his bed for sleepovers and travelling with him always. That was his behaviour, nothing to do with the time it happened in. Stacks of people found it disturbing and inappropriate then as well. 

O'h look, here is that revolting Piers Morgan -  a Jackson supporter - doing what he always does in interviews. Taking over, just giving his view and interrupting the guest with the same things over and over.  He does not listen or interview properly at all, just gives his views and interrupts all the time.  Then he has to throw in Jussie Smollett, anti Trump people and his hatred for the Me Too movement, nothing to do with this case at all. Everything is about his voice and his view. 

Funnily enough, he has been doing his usual celebrity name dropping and self congratulations of gloating about a secret MJ interview that when heard, was the usual MJ victimisation and conspiracy stuff. Nothing enlightening at all but Piers as usual just gloating about the fact he spoke to a superstar. 

im sure if it was a female such as madonna he would have a different opinion , i cant stand him and i dont get why his opinion on anything matters

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I started watching and then I stopped. I know he did all those things but still I'm very conflicted.

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So I watched the whole documentary on YT, and I got the impression that it all started with James and continued from there... MJ basically bought Neverland for this kid, or for the relationship they had. The way their first day together was described, their first meetings, it all seemed like it all was ‚first time‘ doing the whole ‚programme’ of looking for closeness and grooming for MJ. 

 

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Nowadays, evidence are only evidence if they are found on clips or any moving media template... The predator has laid out all the tactics for a smooth "dropped in" of an unsuspecting prey... Do you think that a smart person would keep video records of such criminal acts? Unless he wants a career suicide... I strongly believed that he "unlocked" and cajoled his way for another human being to disarm their ""alert" system.... I found it extremely disturbing and unbelievable that the sixth sense (especially of a woman) which is very strong and to a certain extend, quite accurate and it failed to warn the mom any potential and suspecting signs that she could looked out for.... it really shows that the trap was already laid perfectly just for the right time to prey on the unsuspecting victims... and the trap was already set up nicely for the public too...

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Also, I would like to say that God knows everything and I shall leave it to the Powers that Be to justify the case of Michael Jackson's deeds... 

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SEX BOMBSHELL Debbie Rowe admitted in an interview after Jacko’s death that she never had sex with him and felt like a ‘racehorse being inseminated’

The King of Pop was 38 when he married 37-year-old nursing assistant Debbie Rowe in 1996 in Sydney, Australia, having only just divorced Lisa Marie Presley

By Patrick Knox | 14th March 2019, 4:20 pm

MICHAEL Jackson’s ex-wife confessed she was the singer's “thoroughbred” who would be artificially inseminated.

Debbie Rowe, who was married to Jackson from 1996 to 1999, admitted they never had sex and claimed the King of Pop viewed her as his “vessel”.

But she claimed donor sperm was used rather than Michael’s.

Their children Prince Michael Jnr and Paris paternity has often been questioned. Both are light-skinned, fair haired and have blue eyes.

Jackson's third child Prince Michael II, who is known as Blanket, was born to a surrogate mother. She has never been named.

Speaking to a British newspaper in 2009, Rowe said: "I went to the 'office', which is what we called the medical clinic.

“They impregnated me. It's just like I impregnate my mares for breeding. It was very technical.

"Just like I stick the sperm up my horse, this is what they did to me. I was his thoroughbred."

Rowe, a former nurse, said that she became involved with Jackson while she worked at a dermatology clinic run by the renowned skin specialist Dr Arnold Klein.

This was 1996 and Jacko had just divorced his first wife Lisa Maria Presley.

Rowe said: “ "Michael was divorced, lonely and wanted children. I was the one who said to him, 'I will have your babies'.

"I offered him my womb — it was a gift. It was something I did to keep him happy."

Three months after divorcing Presley 38-year-old Michael wed Debbie who was 37, married at an unusual ceremony in Sydney, Australia.

Only a few people attended the wedding, which took place at the Sheraton on the Park Hotel in November 13, 1996, while Jackson was on tour for his 'HIStory' album. 

Strikingly Rowe wore a non-traditional black wedding dress.

At the time she was pregnant with the first of two children she would give to her husband-to-be who after dying in 2009 has been hit with fresh child abuse allegations in a new documentary called Leaving Neverland. 

The King of Pop always denied being a paedophile and his estate have slammed the new doc for being biased and one-sided.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8638219/debbie-rowe-admitted-in-an-interview-after-jackos-death-that-she-never-had-sex-with-him-and-felt-like-a-racehorse-being-inseminated/

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Just now, horn said:

 

But she claimed donor sperm was used rather than Michael’s.

Mark Lester, the sperm donor.

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Lester also reflected on an occasion when Jackson asked the actor for some of his sperm.

When asked about the context, Lester said: "He was curious as to why I had four [kids]."

Lester said Jackson wondered how hard he had try for kids "and I said 'well not very hard. It just kind of happened and it happened very quickly'."

Lester stated that Jackson said 'you must be very fertile' and asked if he would "help [him] out".

"I thought he wanted me to sleep with his wife, Debbie Rowe, and I thought 'oh my god, no'. :rotfl:  There's a line where you must draw. About a month later he contacted me again to say 'I've set you up in this clinic, would you go along.' I thought he was still joking."

Lester said he went to the clinic and agreed to donate sperm, saying he never thought anything would come of it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/entertainment/actor-who-says-he-donated-sperm-to-michael-jackson-brands-new-documentary-disgusting-902600.html

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https://pagesix.com/2019/03/14/jackson-kids-consider-filing-lawsuit-against-wade-robson-and-james-safechuck/amp/

Jackson kids consider filing lawsuit against Wade Robson and James Safechuck

By Derrick Bryson Taylor

March 14, 2019 | 12:02pm

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Following the airing of HBO’s explosive documentary “Leaving Neverland,” Michael Jackson’s kids – Prince, Paris and Prince Michael Jackson II, aka “Blanket” — are considering filing a lawsuit against alleged sexual abuse victims Wade Robson and James Safechuck.

The potential suit, according to a source close to the family, would be for fraud, emotional distress, slander and misrepresentation.

Both Robson and Safechuck appeared in the documentary alleging they were sexually abused by the late pop legend, who died in 2009.

News of the siblings’ plans comes weeks after the Jackson family slammed the documentary, declaring it wasn’t “telling the truth.”

We’re told Prince, Paris and Blanket are not seeking money, but that any money awarded would be given to charity.

Instead of cash, the kids want Robson and Safechuck to accept “responsibility” and to give an “apology.”

The family source added, “It’s very important to them they carry forward” their father’s “legacy of philanthropy and humility.”

In late February, the Jackson estate sued HBO for breach of contract and believes it could be awarded at least $100 million in damages.

After the premiere of the documentary at the Sundance Film Festival, Robson and Safechuck said finding each other was an important part of their decision to share their stories.

Both men claim they were not paid for their participation in the documentary.

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I feel so sorry for the kids 😕 but the world needs to know

I'm curious if Janet is going to talk about it or mention Michael during her speech on R&R Hall of fame thing

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One thing that had me feeling a bit confused about Michael Jackson, was that he picked up a white mother and a white sperm donor for his kids (minus Blanket, who looks like a mix white/native American to me but i could be wrong).

He was always surrounded by (mostly) white children and he bleached his skin as to appear white. Yes, i know he had vitiligo but i am 100% sure he did bleach his skin as the change was clearly not natural. Whoever knows anyone with vitiligo, knows what i am talking about. A person with this condition just does not become completely white the way he did. Patches of lighter skin develop irregularly all over the body over time. His skin colour changed in a way that it is not natural.

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30 minutes ago, TearsInHeaven said:

One thing that had me feeling a bit confused about Michael Jackson, was that he picked up a white mother and a white sperm donor for his kids (minus Blanket, who looks like a mix white/native American to me but i could be wrong).

He was always surrounded by (mostly) white children and he bleached his skin as to appear white. Yes, i know he had vitiligo but i am 100% sure he did bleach his skin as the change was clearly not natural. Whoever knows anyone with vitiligo, knows what i am talking about. A person with this condition just does not become completely white the way he did. Patches of lighter skin develop irregularly all over the body over time. His skin colour changed in a way that it is not natural.

He said he would use make up to even out the skin.

Maybe the whiteness was more prevalent, so he chose to be white. It is kind of strange how he had a preference for white boys, and his children are clearly white. They're not even mixed, not one bit.

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For anyone who is still looking into things...

Scott Ross worked on the MJ case, he also happens to know Wade Robson's brother. 

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I was really angry after watching the docomumetary...the knowledge of what Jackson did and that he’s now dead. You can’t jail or execute a ghost for their crimes. I read a comment somewhere which said it’s annoying that Jackson didn’t live long enough to see the true extent of him being REJECTED and EXPOSED. 

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At the very least, he created the worst kind of abandonment issues when the [white] boys "aged out" of his preferences.  Even Sean Lennon said he was tossed aside as a "best friend" once he hit puberty.  There's something really insidious about that - like it's bad enough when you get dumped by a friend as an adult.  A child doesn't have the psychological resources to cope with such a loss, especially at the hands of the world's biggest artist

Anyways the good people of the world need to hurry up and RUIN his reputation so Madonna can rise as the King AND Queen of Pop

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It's been on my mind since I watched the doc last friday. I always thought  he was a pedo since the 90 's but seeing the doc hearing their full story was shocking. 

Hope these guys will be ok I am kinda worried what will happen  there's so much hate towards them.

 

 

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15 hours ago, Lolo said:

^ justiceforMJgofundme... Now look who desperately wants MONEY to secure the money-making machine that was MJs legacy... the irony! 

 

Where is @Nonoka when we need him, :rotfl:

 

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3 hours ago, TearsInHeaven said:

One thing that had me feeling a bit confused about Michael Jackson, was that he picked up a white mother and a white sperm donor for his kids (minus Blanket, who looks like a mix white/native American to me but i could be wrong).

He was always surrounded by (mostly) white children and he bleached his skin as to appear white. Yes, i know he had vitiligo but i am 100% sure he did bleach his skin as the change was clearly not natural. Whoever knows anyone with vitiligo, knows what i am talking about. A person with this condition just does not become completely white the way he did. Patches of lighter skin develop irregularly all over the body over time. His skin colour changed in a way that it is not natural.

He was wearing dark colored makeup in the early 80s early on in the disease. There are some paparazzi and fan photos from the nights of Victory concerts where you can see the makeup sweated off his body revealing very white vitiligo spots. Once it goes white it can’t be reversed. I’m guessing as the disease progressed over the years he switched to lighter and lighter makeup because there was much more white patches all over his body and he was freaked out by it and bleaching out all of his skin to try to even it all out.

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1 hour ago, le smoking said:

At the very least, he created the worst kind of abandonment issues when the [white] boys "aged out" of his preferences.  Even Sean Lennon said he was tossed aside as a "best friend" once he hit puberty.  There's something really insidious about that - like it's bad enough when you get dumped by a friend as an adult.  A child doesn't have the psychological resources to cope with such a loss, especially at the hands of the world's biggest artist

Anyways the good people of the world need to hurry up and RUIN his reputation so Madonna can rise as the King AND Queen of Pop

I would say it's highly likely that the situation (them being "friends" with someone they looked up to/idolised & then being "dropped") would have caused at least some of the kids to have abandonment issues. All of the adults should have known better. 

As for the last part though, there really is no need. Madonna has & always will be the King & Queen of Pop!

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3 hours ago, le smoking said:

At the very least, he created the worst kind of abandonment issues when the [white] boys "aged out" of his preferences.  Even Sean Lennon said he was tossed aside as a "best friend" once he hit puberty.  There's something really insidious about that - like it's bad enough when you get dumped by a friend as an adult.  A child doesn't have the psychological resources to cope with such a loss, especially at the hands of the world's biggest artist

He also tried to convince the public that there was nothing wrong with men and boys sleeping together. No concern for children whatsoever.

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Remember when James‘ mother said that every time they stayed at a hotel the rooms were more far away from Michael‘s... and she said ‚they said it wasn’t a nice suite available next to Michael‘... 

So I ask myself WHO is they? As it seems there were people around MJ who where accomplices and who must have known! Booking rooms for the parents extra far away, come on! Disgusting behavior. 

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I can't with the line of deflection his fans are trying to push. The parents are guilty. The boys are guilty. Sickening. 

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13 hours ago, Magician said:

I’m guessing as the disease progressed over the years he switched to lighter and lighter makeup because there was much more white patches all over his body and he was freaked out by it and bleaching out all of his skin to try to even it all out.

100%, he never admitted doing it though. His mom pretty much confirmed it in that Oprah's interview from few years ago.

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4 hours ago, Je5u5 said:

I can't with the line of deflection his fans are trying to push. The parents are guilty. The boys are guilty. Sickening. 

Yeah, I mean they clearly are model parents. 

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