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Radio station stops playing ‘Baby It’s Cold Outside’ amid #MeToo movement

POSTED 10:59 AM, NOVEMBER 30, 2018, BY TRIBUNE MEDIA WIRE, UPDATED AT 11:07AM, NOVEMBER 30, 2018

CLEVELAND — A Cleveland radio station has stopped playing “Baby It's Cold Outside" this holiday season after it says listeners voiced concern about the song’s predatory undertones amid the #MeToo movement.

WDOK Christmas 102.1 pulled the song from its around-the-clock rotation of Christmas music this week after receiving a call from a listener who suggested it is inappropriate in 2018.

The call-and-response song written in the 1940s includes a woman singing that she has to leave a man’s house as he tries to lure her to stay.

In the song, the female sings “I really can’t stay,” to which the man responds, “but baby, it’s cold outside.”

Other lyrics include the woman singing “say, what’s in this drink?” and “I simply must go… the answer is no.”

“It wasn't really our decision. It's the decision of our listeners,” WDOK midday host Desiray told WJW, noting that the Christmas lineup is decided by the station’s listeners.

The station said it posted a poll about the song on its website and a clear majority of respondents supported the decision to remove the song from the station’s lineup.

Poll results were not visible on the station's website. However, a poll on the station's Facebook page showed that among more than 600 votes by Thursday night, 94 percent of respondents favored playing the song while just 6 percent felt it was inappropriate.

“People might say, ‘oh, enough with that #MeToo,’ but if you really put that aside and listen to the lyrics, it's not something I would want my daughter to be in that kind of a situation,” Desiray said. “The tune might be catchy, but let's maybe not promote that sort of an idea.”

Cleveland Rape Crisis Center President and CEO Sondra Miller said the organization supports the decision.

“I think it's taking a 2018 lens on a song that was written a very long time ago,” she said, adding that the move reflects evolving values.

Societal norms were different when the song was written. An unmarried woman staying at a man’s house was scandalous, even if she wanted to.

In the song, the woman expresses concern about what others may think of her spending the night, as the man tries to convince her to stay.

While some might view the song and its lyrics as a playful, coy back-and-forth from another time, Miller said it may have a different meaning to a rape survivor.

“It really pushed the line of consent,” Miller said. “The character in the song is saying ‘no,’ and they're saying well, ‘does no really mean yes?’ and I think in 2018 what we know is consent is ‘yes’ and if you get a ‘no,’ it means ‘no’ and you should stop right there.”

Miller said the song is an example of the rape culture in which we live, and the first step to preventing sexual violence is to change that.

Here are the full lyrics:

I really can't stay (but baby, it's cold outside)
I've got to go away (but baby, it's cold outside)
This evening has been (been hoping that you'd drop in)
So very nice (i'll hold your hands, they're just like ice)
My mother will start to worry (beautiful what's your hurry?)
My father will be pacing the floor (listen to the fireplace roar)
So really I'd better scurry (beautiful please don't hurry)
But maybe just a half a drink more (put some records on while I pour)
The neighbors might think (baby, it's bad out there)
Say what's in this drink? (no cabs to be had out there)
I wish I knew how (your eyes are like starlight now)
To break this spell (i'll take your hat, your hair looks swell)
I ought to say, no, no, no sir (mind if I move in closer?)
At least I'm gonna say that I tried (what's the sense in hurtin' my pride?)
I really can't stay (oh baby don't hold out)
But baby, it's cold outside
I simply must go (but baby, it's cold outside)
The answer is no (but baby, it's cold outside)
Your welcome has been(how lucky that you dropped in)
So nice and warm (look out the window at this dawn)
My sister will be suspicious (gosh your lips look delicious)
My brother will be there at the door (waves upon the tropical shore)
My maiden aunts mind is vicious (gosh your lips are delicious)
But maybe just a cigarette more (never such a blizzard before)
I've gotta get home (but baby, you'd freeze out there)
Say lend me a coat (it's up to your knees out there)
You've really been grand (i thrill when you touch my hand)
But don't you see? (how can you do this thing to me?)
There's bound to be talk tomorrow (think of my lifelong sorrow)
At least there will be plenty implied (if you got pnuemonia and died)
I really can't stay (get over that old out)
Baby, it's cold
Baby, it's cold outside

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Can’t someone just rewrite the song, so it’s fit for 2018?

I really can’t stay ( but it’s really cold outside)

I’ve got to go away ( ok, ok, fuck off then)

 

 

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When and where will it stop ? :rolleyes:

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Have heard this song for years and never took it seriously or was offended. It was a song written in the 1940s for goodness sake. Are we going to now go back and look at songs, movies and books from decades back and get outraged. Just ridiculous and a waste of energy.  Meanwhile, in today's world Trump says " Grab them by the Pussy" and that seems to be accepted.   :wacko:

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🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

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Next: Chiquitita dropped from radio playlists for potential paedo undertones. 

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What about Stevie Wonder's "Part Time Lover"? Whitney's "Saving All My Love For You"?

 

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7 hours ago, Je5u5 said:

Next: Chiquitita dropped from radio playlists for potential paedo undertones. 

+ Does Your Mother Know... :lol:

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A young woman was interviewed to explain rape culture for a journalist, and the example she gave was how in Star Wars Ian Solo takes Leia by the arm and kisses her without her consent. That kind of mentality makes people who have actually experienced violence or witnessed it first-hand want to change planets. So it's not that surprising, although it is stupid, and sadly attracts negative attention to actual issues that need awareness. Some people still think that music and movies cause rape. Like the old crusty priests of the time who thought rock and films caused lust and sinsual behaviour in your people. They are just pedantic puritans in need of mental reform.

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it's ironic how this new overly protective mentality is what we were fighting against (freedom of expression anyone?) up until five years ago. next they'll call for a ban of Marilyn Manson videos on youtube.

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What a load of bollocks this all is. We cannot filter the arts retrospectively to shelter soft and precious sensibilities.

Based on this article, 99% of rap/hip hop needs to be banned with all that ho' culture and attitudes.

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Off topic: but I came across this article at work about how you can 'plump' your lips with make up
and not make them swell up with a shot glass, because there is an 'obvious culturally appropriative aspect' ,
and they were DEAD serious. WTF!? :fag:

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12 minutes ago, acko said:

Off topic: but I came across this article at work about how you can 'plump' your lips with make up
and not make them swell up with a shot glass, because there is an 'obvious culturally appropriative aspect' ,
and they were DEAD serious. WTF!? :fag:

You can make them swelling with a shot glas? How? I need to know. Btw what culture would I be raping if doing so? 

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And this is sadly why so many hate liberals...

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At the end of the day, this song is actually the complete opposite of what these idiots are crying about.  

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Really?  If you're gonna read that hard in to everything, you're gonna find something.  Were these "offended" people also mad because the woman was drinking and smoking and it was already dawn?  It's from the 40's, for Christ sake.  Enjoy it for what it is/was....silly banter.  Or change the words to fit today's sensitivity:  

"Pour me some drank, (cash me ahside).

My pussy ain't cold, (lemme grab it and see).

Fuck dis snow, (watch me fuck dis ho').

Deck these here walls, (while you jingle my balls)."

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Let's be fair and ban all Christmas music please & thank you.

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11 hours ago, Bill said:

At the end of the day, this song is actually the complete opposite of what these idiots are crying about.  

Think that as well. The song is more about how women were supposed to be "virtuous"  and not stay over if they wanted to - hence the banter about what her parents, brother, sister, aunt, neighbours etc would think.   Not that it is serious but since they are making an issue of the ",message"  in it.  Which really is such a waste of time and energy to look at a song from the 1940's. 

 

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Let’s predict the next stupidity: Gone With The Wind will probably be banned from broadcasting since Rhett does not wait for Scarlet's consent several times. More, Scarlet hits Prissy.

 

We’re doom.

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Perfect. Gaga sang this song a couple of years ago. Lets make it go viral and say shes against the #metoo movement.

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52 minutes ago, Showdown said:

Perfect. Gaga sang this song a couple of years ago. Lets make it go viral and say shes against the #metoo movement.

No, why give her more attention.  It is such stupid reasoning anyway looking at a song from the 40's and treating today's women like brainless fragile fools who are supposed to be outraged over silly banter in an old song. 

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Just heard the song for the first time in my life, and saw the movie clip it comes from (Neptune's daughter). I see no problem with it, tbh. The #meetoo thing will self-destruct if it continues like this. Shame, because it brought to discussion important topics, but got lost in frivolous nuisance like banning a 1940s song from the radio.

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Seriously, this is one of the dumbest thing that happened in 2018. :banghead:

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2018/12/05/baby-its-cold-outside-banned-more-radio-stations-causing-uproar/2213458002/

More radio stations ban 'Baby It's Cold Outside' amid #MeToo controversy

HANNAH YASHAROFF  |  USA TODAY 11:48 a.m. EST Dec. 5, 2018

In the wake of many sexual harassment claims, is 2017 the year we retire ‘Baby, It’s Cold Outside’?

USA TODAY

Across the country, radio stations and their listeners continue to debate what should be done about the 1944 Christmas song "Baby It's Cold Outside." 

The tune made headlines this holiday season when Cleveland radio station WDOK announced it would cease playing the song after some listeners complained its lyrics hadn't aged well amid the #MeToo movement.

Now radio stations all around the United States are beginning to follow suit, with mixed reactions from listeners. 

A station in San Francisco, 96.5 KOIT, banned "Baby It's Cold Outside" on Monday, citing the Cleveland station's decision as well as feedback from its own listeners. However, the decision was met with uproar, and now the station is allowing listeners to vote on the fate of the song via a poll on its website through Dec. 10.

According to 96.5 KOIT's website, the ban was met with "hundreds of comments on social media and via email demanding that 'Baby It's Cold Outside' be placed back to the Christmas Playlist."

Meanwhile, KOSI 101.1 in Colorado, marketed as "Denver's Holiday Station," originally pulled the song due to listener complaints but has since reversed its decision. According to apress release from the station Tuesday, a poll with over 15,000 responses found listeners to be overwhelmingly in support of the song. 

"Respondents voted 95 percent in favor of us keeping the song as part of KOSI 101.1's tradition of playing all of your holiday favorites," Program Director Jim Lawson said in the release. "While we are sensitive to those who may be upset by some of the lyrics, the majority of our listeners have expressed their interpretation of the song to be non-offensive." 

A former Atlanta radio program director noted this is not an entirely new concept. His station, as well as others, "pulled this song 5+ years ago for the same reason."

"We didn't turn it into public debate, or turn it into a ratings stunt," Tony Lorino wrote in a Facebook post. "We just knew it was the right thing to do for the audience we served and quietly removed the song from the playlist. (And, we never got complaints for *not* playing it, either; we had plenty of other great Christmas songs to play, after all.)"

The debate also reached Canada, where multiple radio broadcasters have pulled the song from their holiday lineups.

Nicola Makoway, a representative for CBC Radio, told The Toronto Star that the song would be officially removed Tuesday at midnight with "no plans to play it going forward." 

Meanwhile in Cleveland where the controversy began, WDOK said a poll on its website showed a majority of listeners supported the ban when the decision to retire the song was made.

A poll on the WDOK Facebook page now shows overwhelming support to bring the song back.

"When the song was written in 1944, it was a different time, but now while reading it, it seems very manipulative and wrong," wrote Glenn Anderson, one of the station's hosts, in a post on the WDOK website. "The world we live in is extra sensitive now, and people get easily offended, but in a world where #MeToo has finally given women the voice they deserve, the song has no place."

Those against the song say it promotes date rape, describing a man pressuring a woman to stay despite her adamantly telling him "no, no, no." Other lyrics like "say, what's in this drink?" have also raised eyebrows.

Supporters of "Baby It's Cold Outside" argue that context is important. When the song was written over 70 years ago, unmarried women would be ostracized for spending the night alone with a man, which made it important to appear as though it was solely the man's idea. Hence lyrics like "my mother will start to worry" and "the neighbors might think..."

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This is getting posted around online as a joke but with the way things are going I wouldn’t be surprised if these songs do end up banned for these reasons in future Christmas seasons. :crazy:

1. I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus: Subjecting minors to softcore porn.
2. The Christmas Song: Open fire? Pollution. Folks dressed up like Eskimos? Cultural appropriation.
3. Holly Jolly Christmas: Kiss her once for me? Unwanted advances; Sexual-harassment.
4. White Christmas: Racist.
5. Santa Claus is Coming to Town: Sees you when you’re sleeping? Knows when you’re awake? Peeping Tom, creepy stalker.
6. Most Wonderful Time of the Year: Everyone telling you to be in a good mood? Forced to hide depression.
7. Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer: Outright bullying.
8. It’s Beginning to Look a lot Like Christmas: Forced gender-specific gifts: Dolls for Janice and Jen and boots and pistols (GUNS!) for Barney and Ben.
9. Santa Baby: Gold digger, blackmail.
10. Frosty the Snowman: Sexist; not a snowwoman.
11. Do You Hear What I Hear: Blatant disregard for the hearing impaired.
12. Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas: Make the yuletide GAY? Wow, just wow!
13. Jingle Bell Rock: Giddy up jingle horse, pick up your feet: Animal abuse.
14. Mistletoe and Holly: Overeating, folks stealing a kiss or two? How did this song ever see the light of day?
15. Winter Wonderland: Parson Brown demanding they get married…forced partnership. Soliciting pre-arranged marriages.
16. Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer: Condoning road rage. Promoting violence.

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21 hours ago, Magician said:

This is getting posted around online as a joke but with the way things are going I wouldn’t be surprised if these songs do end up banned for these reasons in future Christmas seasons. :crazy:

1. I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus: Subjecting minors to softcore porn.
2. The Christmas Song: Open fire? Pollution. Folks dressed up like Eskimos? Cultural appropriation.
3. Holly Jolly Christmas: Kiss her once for me? Unwanted advances; Sexual-harassment.
4. White Christmas: Racist.
5. Santa Claus is Coming to Town: Sees you when you’re sleeping? Knows when you’re awake? Peeping Tom, creepy stalker.
6. Most Wonderful Time of the Year: Everyone telling you to be in a good mood? Forced to hide depression.
7. Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer: Outright bullying.
8. It’s Beginning to Look a lot Like Christmas: Forced gender-specific gifts: Dolls for Janice and Jen and boots and pistols (GUNS!) for Barney and Ben.
9. Santa Baby: Gold digger, blackmail.
10. Frosty the Snowman: Sexist; not a snowwoman.
11. Do You Hear What I Hear: Blatant disregard for the hearing impaired.
12. Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas: Make the yuletide GAY? Wow, just wow!
13. Jingle Bell Rock: Giddy up jingle horse, pick up your feet: Animal abuse.
14. Mistletoe and Holly: Overeating, folks stealing a kiss or two? How did this song ever see the light of day?
15. Winter Wonderland: Parson Brown demanding they get married…forced partnership. Soliciting pre-arranged marriages.
16. Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer: Condoning road rage. Promoting violence.

Careful, now you have put it out there! 😝😝😝😝

I'm sick of all this revisionist soft-cock rubbish.

Oh wait, I've just offended those with impotence (or without a cock).

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This crazy way now of having to watch every single thing we do and say is dreadful.  Especially when now people are getting offended over terms of endearment as well.  Apparently calling people "  Love and Sweetheart"  is now not appropriate language.  Seriously,  how on earth did we get to this stage ?  I  have been called those names for years by people and they are terms of affection and politeness. Never have I been remotely offended at all and always have seen it as people being polite.   Why are people looking for things to get upset about ?   It is all so hypocritical too.  Everyone is watching reality shows where people treat others appallingly, bully each other,  talk to each other like garbage, call each other awful names and that is acceptable but someone calling someone " love'  is wrong !  Utter Madness. 

 

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