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Madonna's LIVE VOCALS on all tours

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43 minutes ago, Gus said:

Yes, like Kim said, that was already being done to the Virgin Tour/ Ciao Italia/ Girlie Show releases...some more obvious than others...

One of the most obvious examples that i remember(though not officially released), was the Girlie Show from Fukuoka tv broadcast during La Isla Bonita

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Had it been released on dvd i'm sure they would've made it a little less obvious lol

 

32 minutes ago, Kim said:

This is the obvious example I can think of. Same song, different tour - from the Euro WTG broadcast -

Loved listening to that GS LIB clip again though. Madonna belting it out in great voice with a great live, organic band!

 

24 minutes ago, Gus said:

Yes, i forgot about that one! 

Same show during Lucky Star at 1:47

 

Definitely, one of her best!

Wow the Fukouka LIB though. Yep they definitely would’ve edited that (or kept it — GST US DVD Vogue).

The Rai Italian TV broadcast is prob the most genuine display of LIVE CONCERT cause the *bloopers* and that rowdy Italian crowd lol! Love it though! So raw and so live ugh.

I wonder from what audio they took the “cause you make the darkness seem so far” on the Ciao Italia audio cause obviously the TV broadcast she messed up.

I do know it was the genius of Pat Leonard who did the sound mixing idk during the tour or post broadcast as I saw recently on Instagram.

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8 minutes ago, Kim said:

Of course, the mother of them all is...

...not just for the forgotten line, but the fact that the vocal on this song on every date in Europe sounded like it was coming straight from the fiery pits of hell itself - which I love, LOL!

 

THOSE DEEP RASPY LOWER REGISTER VOCALS ADVANCING TO A MID REGISTER HEAD VOICE ON THE HIGH NOTES omg. Jazz queen!

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11 minutes ago, hawes-king said:

MDNA Tour from the 2nd night in Miami soundboard has leaked tonight

Oooooh okay! 

LINK IT UP 😏

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11 minutes ago, Kim said:

Of course, the mother of them all is...

...not just for the forgotten line, but the fact that the vocal on this song on every date in Europe sounded like it was coming straight from the fiery pits of hell itself - which I love, LOL!

 

LOL so true!

To me LAV and SOL sounded so much better in Europe, even if she was a bit hoarse at times...how i miss that voice!!!

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12 minutes ago, cailohfornia said:

I wonder from what audio they took the “cause you make the darkness seem so far” on the Ciao Italia audio cause obviously the TV broadcast she messed up.

 

I believe it's from the last show in Florence.

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25 minutes ago, Gus said:

LOL so true!

To me LAV and SOL sounded so much better in Europe, even if she was a bit hoarse at times...how i miss that voice!!!

Totally. Another reason I can't be doing with that Yokohama show with its wafer-thin, high pitched LAV and SOL. Gimme me that guttural grunting vocal any day!

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16 minutes ago, Kim said:

Totally. Another reason I can't be doing with that Yokohama show with its wafer-thin, high pitched LAV and SOL. Gimme me that guttural grunting vocal any day!

Yes, i feel the same about Japan. 

The New Jersey show i did like, seems like she was midway from the high pitched squeeky voice from Japan and the hoarse, much deeper voice from Europe...

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1 minute ago, Gus said:

Yes, i feel the same about Japan. 

The New Jersey show i did like, seems like she was midway from the high pitched squeeky voice from Japan and the hoarse, much deeper voice from Europe...

We're totally on the same wavelength as regards BA VOX!  I wish that Dallas bootleg (or Westwood radio show whatever it is) was from a bit later in the US leg as that was definitely the sweet spot between the two vocally, and the instrumentation had beefed up a bit by then as well.

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1 hour ago, Kim said:

Gimme me that guttural grunting vocal any day!

Vogue @ Wembley 1990 (the radio broadcast) comes to my mind as well. I prefer these imperfect vocals any time over polished phoniness. 

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1 hour ago, Kim said:

We're totally on the same wavelength as regards BA VOX!  I wish that Dallas bootleg (or Westwood radio show whatever it is) was from a bit later in the US leg as that was definitely the sweet spot between the two vocally, and the instrumentation had beefed up a bit by then as well.

Absolutely, would've been great to have one of those US shows in HQ!

I still have hopes for a HQ stereo file of the NJ show...oh well

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2 hours ago, Gus said:

I believe it's from the last show in Florence.

Makes sense. 

Oh the ever coveted FLORENCE SHOW! Been wanting to see it since I realized that Ciao Italia is edited how it is (hello necklace-bye necklace lol)

I wonder if we’ll ever get the full Florence show which apparently had so many pranks on Madonna and crew! Wow 

 

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2 hours ago, Kim said:

Totally. Another reason I can't be doing with that Yokohama show with its wafer-thin, high pitched LAV and SOL. Gimme me that guttural grunting vocal any day!

Yes guttural is the freaking word! 

WTG Tokyo / BAT Yokohama to me both have that wafer thin “oh I’m gonna preserve my voice by singing so breathily” vocals — and I don’t like it! 

Give me Torino hoarseness any day!

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1 hour ago, Cyber-Raga said:

Vogue @ Wembley 1990 (the radio broadcast) comes to my mind as well. I prefer these imperfect vocals any time over polished phoniness. 

YAS YAS YAS! 💯

*replays (emotional) Live To Tell performance from WTGT* 😭

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I think the live broadcast of DWT was better in terms of her voice, camera and crowd cheering.

If you watch the DVD everything is so manipulated, especially that gorgeous moment of La Isla Bonita. Its horrible.

I cant find the HBO broadcast of DWT on youtube, maybe someone has it and uploads here ?

 

Besides Ms live vocals, another point which is important for me is the crowd cheering. In every DVD from DWT to RH its just messed up. They can do that much better.

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1 hour ago, cailohfornia said:

Oh the ever coveted FLORENCE SHOW! Been wanting to see it since I realized that Ciao Italia is edited how it is (hello necklace-bye necklace lol)

I wonder if we’ll ever get the full Florence show which apparently had so many pranks on Madonna and crew! Wow 

 

This guy has uploaded lots of WTG Tour audio recordings(including the full show in Florence),  quality is not the best obviously but it's great nonetheless, here's the link courtesy of 'kasell2016' from MI.

http://mega.nz/#F!5jJiWJDR!yxsuneuEXe6lw4cysRJNaA

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1 hour ago, jaron said:

I think the live broadcast of DWT was better in terms of her voice, camera and crowd cheering.

If you watch the DVD everything is so manipulated, especially that gorgeous moment of La Isla Bonita. Its horrible.

I cant find the HBO broadcast of DWT on youtube, maybe someone has it and uploads here ?

 

Besides Ms live vocals, another point which is important for me is the crowd cheering. In every DVD from DWT to RH its just messed up. They can do that much better.

I hope you're a DWT superfan like I am and it seems like you are! Yay!

I love the DVD and was one of my obsessions for a whiiiiile and the entire tour in itself concept-wise, staging, tone, songs... everything! It's just so brilliant. But I have to agree with you. The DWT DVD I feel was the start of the application of visual effects and sound mixing/sound manipulation that we now know today. ROL is a prime example of this backdrop interposed on the main concert video that's just so... distracting. Because of these effects, I suspect two things that happened:

  1. the frame rate dropped from the original 60fps of the HBO broadcast that has that "live TV/soap opera effect" motion (UGH)
  2. so many good camera angles and closeups from the broadcast were replaced by alternate ones for the DVD (Madonna spazzing at the end of Impressive Instant was taken out!)

As for the audience cheers/roars... I COULDN'T AGREE MORE! They make 50% of the concert video experience! I mean Ciao Italia's crowd cheers throughout was just WHOA. Compared to later concert videos like RIT/CT... it's just wasn't the same ROARING CROWD perhaps because Madonna packed stadiums back then and later on she started doing more arenas. Idk. 

The HBO broadcast is on YouTube but the audio was blocked but you can still watch the different angles changed for the DVD! So interesting to do comparisons on both.

And to tease you, I have this in my possession

Image result for madonna drowned world tour hbo vhs

The For Your Consideration VHS of the Drowned World Tour HBO broadcast that was distributed to eligible Emmy voters since the broadcast was nominated for an Emmy.

Yup... this VHS is the closest we can get to the original 60fps, original vocals/sound mixing of the HBO broadcast.

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24 minutes ago, Gus said:

This guy has uploaded lots of WTG Tour audio recordings(including the full show in Florence),  quality is not the best obviously but it's great nonetheless, here's the link courtesy of 'kasell2016' from MI.

http://mega.nz/#F!5jJiWJDR!yxsuneuEXe6lw4cysRJNaA

Holy mary mother of Lourdes. THANK YOU! :brenspin:

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@Gus

I am crying. I am filled with so much emotion.

I just downloaded the WTG Florence audio and I'm hearing it for the first time! 

The delighted crowd cheers/singing during "Open Your Heart", the collective "whoa/wow" & whistles.

And when she greets the crowd and they ROAR! It's too much for me who has been so obsessed with the Ciao Italia DVD for the longest time when I was studying her as a new fan. I'm so gagged that I'm finally hearing the full greeting she did for the Firenze crowd (she even corrected how she said "anch'io" from the last show in Turin!) I am torn that I can't in any way be able to WITNESS that kind of Madonna-loving crowd and that era ever again meaning I wish I was a tween back in 1987 to witness all that glory 

"ALE OH-OH.... ALE OH-OH!"

 

 Image result for madonna who's that girl tour gif

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, cailohfornia said:

@Gus

I am crying. I am filled with so much emotion.

I just downloaded the WTG Florence audio and I'm hearing it for the first time! 

The delighted crowd cheers/singing during "Open Your Heart", the collective "whoa/wow" & whistles.

And when she greets the crowd and they ROAR! It's too much for me who has been so obsessed with the Ciao Italia DVD for the longest time when I was studying her as a new fan. I'm so gagged that I'm finally hearing the full greeting she did for the Firenze crowd (she even corrected how she said "anch'io" from the last show in Turin!) I am torn that I can't in any way be able to WITNESS that kind of Madonna-loving crowd and that era ever again meaning I wish I was a tween back in 1987 to witness all that glory 

"ALE OH-OH.... ALE OH-OH!"

Glad you like it!!! The WTGT is really an amazing point in Madonna's career!

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wow great thread. And just imagine, with so much choreo, there's still a very big chunk of live vocals! 

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13 hours ago, Gus said:

LOL so true!

To me LAV and SOL sounded so much better in Europe, even if she was a bit hoarse at times...how i miss that voice!!!

She was a damn good vocalist considering she had only had limited training at this point.

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11 hours ago, cailohfornia said:

Yes guttural is the freaking word! 

WTG Tokyo / BAT Yokohama to me both have that wafer thin “oh I’m gonna preserve my voice by singing so breathily” vocals — and I don’t like it! 

Well I disagree about the WTG vocals, the Japan show has a freshness and control to the sound that I prefer whereas towards the end of the tour they just sounded, well... bad. BA on the other hand, the throat problems were there from the very beginning  (I remember a BBC interview during rehearsals where her voice was already completely shot) and the early vox just sounded so thin and scratchy which morphed into that deep gnarly sound which came across a lot more powerful.

Pat Leonard mixed the live sound for the Japan release btw, not Ciao Italia.

10 hours ago, jaron said:

I think the live broadcast of DWT was better in terms of her voice, camera and crowd cheering.

If you watch the DVD everything is so manipulated, especially that gorgeous moment of La Isla Bonita. Its horrible.

I cant find the HBO broadcast of DWT on youtube, maybe someone has it and uploads here ?

Besides Ms live vocals, another point which is important for me is the crowd cheering. In every DVD from DWT to RH its just messed up. They can do that much better.

I really don't like the DWT DVD as it bears no relation to what I remember seeing live, but the sound I quite like. I remember the strings in Frozen being really muted in the live broadcast but brought out beautifully in the DVD mix. 

Things really went to shit mixing wise starting from S&S, or maybe even Confessions with its looped crowd noise, but it wasn't too bad.

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14 hours ago, cailohfornia said:

I hope you're a DWT superfan like I am and it seems like you are! Yay!

The HBO broadcast is on YouTube but the audio was blocked but you can still watch the different angles changed for the DVD! So interesting to do comparisons on both.

And to tease you, I have this in my possession

Image result for madonna drowned world tour hbo vhs

The For Your Consideration VHS of the Drowned World Tour HBO broadcast that was distributed to eligible Emmy voters since the broadcast was nominated for an Emmy.

Yup... this VHS is the closest we can get to the original 60fps, original vocals/sound mixing of the HBO broadcast.

OMG, I am jealous now :D

DWT was really great but dark. Its not a fun show like RHT which is actually my favorites. But it has really good moments which make it so special for me. I love the last part of the show and the Geisha theme.

But crowds cheering is sometimes wrongfully done.

I remember during  RHT in Cologne, the crowd went crazy when they heard the first melodys of La Isla bonita, but on the DVD you cant hear that. They took it to Material Girls instead :p which is also a great track.

As Kim said, Things really went to shit mixing wise starting from S&S . I did like COAD though, although I hate the moment when she does the "yeeeah" thing during my favorite remix Subsitute for love. Its cringey for me :chuckle:

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8 hours ago, karbatal said:

wow great thread. And just imagine, with so much choreo, there's still a very big chunk of live vocals! 

Thank you! Her vocals and vocal transformation are just a huge fascination of mine like many others here!

Yes there is no one other with such discipline and determination to PERFORM as best as they can (dance + sing). 

 

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5 hours ago, Rugbyguy said:

She was a damn good vocalist considering she had only had limited training at this point.

She was a damn good vocalist considering she initially wanted to do only professional dancing around the time she moved from Detroit to NYC.

Considering the possibility that she perhaps had no vocal training at all when she started. Pure drive.

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5 hours ago, Kim said:

Well I disagree about the WTG vocals, the Japan show has a freshness and control to the sound that I prefer whereas towards the end of the tour they just sounded, well... bad. BA on the other hand, the throat problems were there from the very beginning  (I remember a BBC interview during rehearsals where her voice was already completely shot) and the early vox just sounded so thin and scratchy which morphed into that deep gnarly sound which came across a lot more powerful.

Pat Leonard mixed the live sound for the Japan release btw, not Ciao Italia.

You're right, WTG Japan sounded fresh. But I still prefer the hoarse, unsuppressed vocals towards the end! Turin + Florence especially. 

And thanks for the info! What would we do without Pat Leonard

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This is Madonna's personal monitor engineer for her last 5 tours, here he talks about the music, backing vocals/ playback, etc.

It's pretty long but interesting stuff.

 

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7 hours ago, Gus said:

This is Madonna's personal monitor engineer for her last 5 tours, here he talks about the music, backing vocals/ playback, etc.

It's pretty long but interesting stuff.

 

This is really cool 

love this tech stuff

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Amazing thread!

Someone talked about Vogue during RHT being a new prerecorded vocal. I think it's just the original vocal pitched down which makes it sound like it's not even her singing it. It's especially noticeable on the final release.

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