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Madonna's LIVE VOCALS on all tours

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We all know that the first time Madonna sang Vogue live was Sticky & Sweet. Let's not rewrite history and claim Vogue on BA tour was live because during a line or two on some random dates the mic picked up her voice when she chose to sing over the lead track (not even backing track - lead track)

Just like that recent thread comparing the Burning Up performances. RIT raw and live and wonderful. RHT terrible vocal over loud, loud backing track. Both are not equal, which is where the problem comes with this percentage system.

Kinda live, almost live, a wee bit live, nearly live - doesn't cut it.

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Love this thread ! ❤️

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2 hours ago, Kim said:

Just like that recent thread comparing the Burning Up performances. RIT raw and live and wonderful. RHT terrible vocal over loud, loud backing track.

Agree with this. I’ll def recalculate the percentages later and count the “almost live/half live/dipping in and out with live vocals” concept into the calculations (IF I CAN EVEN FIGURE THEM OUT DUE TO VARYING SOUND TECHNICALITIES ON CERTAIN DATES lol)

But great point!

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2 hours ago, Crystal Coffin said:

TOACL: 25% live vocals

I kid, I kid :lol: 

Omg lol!

“Send in The Clowns” and ”Toxic” though 🙌🏼🔥

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1 hour ago, runa said:

Love this thread ! ❤️

I just wanted to highlight that she DOES sing most of her shows LIVE. I mean aren’t we all so proud of VT & WTGT performed live all throughout? Wow 

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1 minute ago, cailohfornia said:

Omg lol!

“Send in The Clowns” and ”Toxic” though 🙌🏼🔥

"tawk...sick, sick, sick" :lmao: 

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5 minutes ago, Crystal Coffin said:

"tawk...sick, sick, sick" :lmao: 

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Kweens.

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Just now, cailohfornia said:

Kweens.

I love the echoed vocals!!! She gave the song a darker, more sinister spin 

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12 minutes ago, Crystal Coffin said:

I love the echoed vocals!!! She gave the song a darker, more sinister spin 

Yup loved it. It’s so sinister it easily could’ve been the opening theme to AHS Cult 

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Updated the *percentages* on the initial thread post y'all after adding your precious inputs/corrections (lol!)

I'll keep updating and researching and sitting through tons OF pixelated fan footages uploaded 7-9 years ago on YouTube lol!

Please don't eat me, hehe. 

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Thanks to @Kim @Dr Lecter @Rugbyguy @FeTuoni @Carta @Gus @Suedehead @Bat-Fan

All LOVE to one of the greatest performance artists evarrr!

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I find it interesting that on one side of the GS DVD, you can clearly hear Madonna singing the first few lines of "Vogue", but on the other side, you don't hear her at all (yet it's the same performance).  Did she sing the whole thing live on the night?  Did they decide to replace her vocal with a track for broadcast/DVD purposes?  Why have different audio tracks on the different sides of the DVD?  What tomfoolery is at play here?!  :beret:

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Fascinating thread :clap:

Thank you @cailohfornia

Madonna is phenomenal for singing live everything that can be sung live, in light of the fact she's always been a proficient and energetic physical performer. She's unlike any other just for this.

Competitors male or female from the 80s, 90s or whenever will never have a VT or WTG rate to their resume. Especially all those acts that were put together by a factory, a family name or a powerful spouse and don't minimally have her immaculate touring trek record, as far as non cancellations etc go.

I love the rawness and emotion in her voice of VT, WTG but with DWT, RIT and CT in particular she reached a whole different level. She also deserves praise for being one of very few singers to have engaged with several different vocal styles.

Anyone who keeps spreading the false myth of "Madonna can't really sing" should try and sing one of her songs from any career point and compare it to how she sings it

MDNA and RH also have some spectacular live singing moment. It's not so much about the percentage itself but about the nature of any specific tours of her. The Evita part on S&S was also a high point

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7 hours ago, Carta said:

I find it interesting that on one side of the GS DVD, you can clearly hear Madonna singing the first few lines of "Vogue", but on the other side, you don't hear her at all (yet it's the same performance).  Did she sing the whole thing live on the night?  Did they decide to replace her vocal with a track for broadcast/DVD purposes?  Why have different audio tracks on the different sides of the DVD?  What tomfoolery is at play here?!  :beret:

Oh my God i thought the same thing! The GST DVD has DTS/Dolby 5.1 Channel Surround Sound feature so little sound details pop up like a crisper thunder during “Rain” + trombones on “Holiday” during the fanfare music... I think that’s amazing because this was again done on the DWT DVD.

Yes and on “Vogue” like I mentioned on the initial post, you do hear live vocals for like 8 bars then it’s gone. No one knows for sure if this was intended for the HBO broadcast or was a technical error, who knows why they did those technical differences! 

All I know is Madonna was and hopefully is able to perform an entire set list live if she wanted to. So yes MADONNA IS A LIVE SINGER AND ONE OF THE BEST at that.

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3 hours ago, XXL said:

Fascinating thread :clap:

Thank you @cailohfornia

Madonna is phenomenal for singing live everything that can be sung live, in light of the fact she's always been a proficient and energetic physical performer. She's unlike any other just for this.

Competitors male or female from the 80s, 90s or whenever will never have a VT or WTG rate to their resume. Especially all those acts that were put together by a factory, a family name or a powerful spouse and don't minimally have her immaculate touring trek record, as far as non cancellations etc go.

I love the rawness and emotion in her voice of VT, WTG but with DWT, RIT and CT in particular she reached a whole different level. She also deserves praise for being one of very few singers to have engaged with several different vocal styles.

Anyone who keeps spreading the false myth of "Madonna can't really sing" should try and sing one of her songs from any career point and compare it to how she sings it

MDNA and RH also have some spectacular live singing moment. It's not so much about the percentage itself but about the nature of any specific tours of her. The Evita part on S&S was also a high point

THIS THIS THIS. I am emotional just reading what you wrote cause it’s 100% what I feel about her.

You just summed up why I love her so much and why I am such a fan of Madonna  the Vocalist + performance artist. There is no one else that has this kind of capability to entertain, captivate, and command.

I am so especially proud of her first two tours in which she sang live! That alone is a testament to her artistry and perseverance. All the tours you mentioned are exactly all the tours I KNOW she had amazing vocals on — I mean how can one not be mesmerized if the different ranges/registers/styles she has done not only on each tour but even on the same tour!? I mean... I’m still in awe and also mystified by this. She is something truly special. 

Thanks for sharing 🙏🏼

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24 minutes ago, cailohfornia said:

Oh my God i thought the same thing! The GST DVD has DTS/Dolby 5.1 Channel Surround Sound feature so little sound details pop up like a crisper thunder during “Rain” + trombones on “Holiday” during the fanfare music... I think that’s amazing because this was again done on the DWT DVD.

Yes and on “Vogue” like I mentioned on the initial post, you do hear live vocals for like 8 bars then it’s gone. No one knows for sure if this was intended for the HBO broadcast or was a technical error, who knows why they did those technical differences! 

All I know is Madonna was and hopefully is able to perform an entire set list live if she wanted to. So yes MADONNA IS A LIVE SINGER AND ONE OF THE BEST at that.

The 5:1 mix (which I understand from previous threads here is the only mix on the USA Girlie Show DVD) unlike international editions which have the superior stereo mix on one side of the disc and the surround mix on the other, isolates the vocal (and drum) track on the centre channel so all those little vocal inconsistencies are picked up easily. All the complaints about The Girlie Show sound over the years seems to come from US fans listening to that surround mix through their regular TV/PC speakers and it does indeed sound bad. I don't understand why the regular stereo mix (which is great) was omitted from the US DVD. Further proof (if it were needed) that upgraded, new releases of some of Madonna's past artistic endeavours is LONG overdue.

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22 minutes ago, cailohfornia said:

Yes and on “Vogue” like I mentioned on the initial post, you do hear live vocals for like 8 bars then it’s gone. No one knows for sure if this was intended for the HBO broadcast or was a technical error, who knows why they did those technical differences

It wasn't like that on the HBO broadcast, doubt it was an error though i do remember a fax from November 1993 that leaked some time ago where Madonna was telling someone about how disappointed she was about the camera work/ sound of the HBO special so who knows really...

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4 minutes ago, Gus said:

It wasn't like that on the HBO broadcast, doubt it was an error though i do remember a fax from November 1993 that leaked some time ago where Madonna was telling someone about how disappointed she was about the camera work/ sound of the HBO special so who knows really...

It's only like that on the 5:1 mix which boosts the vocals when listening to it through regular speakers.

The stereo mix - a cleaned up and remixed version of the HBO original, which debuted on VHS and laserdisk is a great live sound. If it's true that the US DVD omits that version then I'm perplexed as to why. Not everyone, especially then, had a surround set up.

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5 minutes ago, Kim said:

It's only like that on the 5:1 mix which boosts the vocals when listening to it through regular speakers.

The stereo mix - a cleaned up and remixed version of the HBO original, which debuted on VHS and laserdisk is a great live sound. If it's true that the US DVD omits that version then I'm perplexed as to why. Not everyone, especially then, had a surround set up.

Yes, i originally purchased the vhs and the sound is great, what i didn't know is that the international version of the dvd has the stereo mix, i had no idea the region 1 version was the only one with just one audio option...

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18 minutes ago, Gus said:

Yes, i originally purchased the vhs and the sound is great, what i didn't know is that the international version of the dvd has the stereo mix, i had no idea the region 1 version was the only one with just one audio option...

Yeah I discovered it years ago on this forum when I couldn't understand where all the complaints were coming from. The disc is one of the few double sided DVDs I own. Side 1 has the good stereo mix and the other side has the 5:1. Why they didn't just have the two audio options on the one side is anyone's guess. Why they altogether omitted the best mix from the USA disc is another. Weird!!!

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1 hour ago, Kim said:

The 5:1 mix (which I understand from previous threads here is the only mix on the USA Girlie Show DVD unlike international editions which have the superior stereo mix on one side of the disc and the surround mix on the other) isolates the vocal (and drum) track on the centre channel so all those little vocal inconsistencies are picked up easily. All the complaints about The Girlie Show sound over the years seems to come from US fans listening to that surround mix through their regular TV/PC speakers and it does indeed sound bad. I don't understand why the regular stereo mix (which is great) was omitted from the US DVD. Further proof (if it were needed) that upgraded, new releases of some of Madonna's past artistic endeavours is LONG overdue.

I understand what you mean because when I first watched the GST back when I was growing up in the Philippines, it was on VCD (Asian market’s lower quality DVDs back in early 2000s) where the concert was divided on 2 VCD’s and had a much lower quality and def a lower frame rate! It was from Warner Music Philippines so like you guys had said that the STEREO SOUND MIX is on the international releases hence there were less surround sound-like additions to that VCD I owned.

When I moved to the U.S. and finally got the GST DVD it definitely had those sound effects/musical parts that I didn’t hear on the VCD I had! The vocals sound more... mixed/had mixing done although I know it’s live. The DVD audio is different from the clear simple stereo audio from the VCD (international release).

So yeah I don’t know why the US DVD only had ONE audio option of 5.1 mix... but for me, it’s alright cause I know the entire DVD was based off the LIVE BROADCAST so all’s good ☺️

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1 hour ago, Gus said:

It wasn't like that on the HBO broadcast, doubt it was an error though i do remember a fax from November 1993 that leaked some time ago where Madonna was telling someone about how disappointed she was about the camera work/ sound of the HBO special so who knows really...

Omg! Did she really think so? I wonder why because she even said on the Sydney date (GST DVD) how she liked it when cameras zoom in for a closeup... and the closeups were damn good and concert video release/DVD was so rich with closeups! If she went into the editing room for the LD/VHS release then I’m glad cause it meant she was still willing to release it for us to own back then despite her not liking the HBO broadcast.

The GST DVD truly is a pop music masterpiece! I love how it’s 60fps specifically (same with WTGT/BAT video releases + DWT HBO broadcast)

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By the way @Kim @Gus and all y’all Madonna loons, while we’re discussing sound/vocal mixing on concert video releases...

Did you guys ever make the observation that for the DWT DVD the LIVE VOCALS on some tiny parts were — let’s say — edited/autotuned/fixed compared to the HBO broadcast super raw live vocals lol!?!?? 

Did the post production team think some parts were like bad or off key? Lol

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18 minutes ago, cailohfornia said:

By the way @Kim @Gus and all y’all Madonna loons, while we’re discussing sound/vocal mixing on concert video releases...

Did you guys ever make the observation that for the DWT DVD the LIVE VOCALS on some tiny parts were — let’s say — edited/autotuned/fixed compared to the HBO broadcast!?!?? 

Did the post production team think some parts were like bad or off key? Lol

Yes, all the shows that aired live on TV before getting an official release got some post production work to clean them up a bit - going back to the original 16/32 track tapes and constructing a new mix and smoothing out the odd dodgy vocal in the process. That's industry standard and everyone does it. Understandable, as whoever is on the sound desk during a live broadcast is very limited in what they can do to make everything sound as perfect as it should. All except BA Nice which for some unfathomable reason (maybe time constraints, maybe something happened to the tapes) was put on laser disc with the very same (crap) sound mix that aired on HBO. Now I personally love that throaty growly BA vocal she had as the tour progressed, but it could  and should have been mixed better with the instrumentation in post production. 

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34 minutes ago, cailohfornia said:

By the way @Kim @Gus Did you guys ever make the observation that for the DWT DVD the LIVE VOCALS on some tiny parts were — let’s say — edited/autotuned/fixed compared to the HBO broadcast super raw live vocals lol!?!?? 

Did the post production team think some parts were like bad or off key? Lol

Yes, like Kim said, that was already being done to the Virgin Tour/ Ciao Italia/ Girlie Show releases...some more obvious than others...

One of the most obvious examples that i remember(though not officially released), was the Girlie Show from Fukuoka tv broadcast during La Isla Bonita

0:32

Had it been released on dvd i'm sure they would've made it a little less obvious lol

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12 minutes ago, Gus said:

Yes, like Kim said, that was already being done to the Virgin Tour/ Ciao Italia/ Girlie Show releases...some more obvious than others...

One of the most obvious examples that i remember(though not officially released), was the Girlie Show from Fukuoka tv broadcast during La Isla Bonita

0:32

Had it been released on dvd i'm sure they would've made it a little less obvious lol

This is the obvious example I can think of. Same song, different tour - from the Euro WTG broadcast -

Loved listening to that GS LIB clip again though. Madonna belting it out in great voice with a great live, organic band!

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3 minutes ago, Kim said:

This is the obvious example I can think of. Same song, different tour from the Euro WTG broadcast -

Yes, i forgot about that one! 

Same show during Lucky Star at 1:47

 

5 minutes ago, Kim said:

Loved listening to that GS LIB clip again though. Madonna belting it out in great voice with a great live, organic band!

Definitely, one of her best!

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51 minutes ago, Kim said:

Yes, all the shows that aired live on TV before getting an official release got some post production work to clean them up a bit - going back to the original 16/32 track tapes and constructing a new mix and smoothing out the odd dodgy vocal in the process. That's industry standard and everyone does it. Understandable, as whoever is on the sound desk during a live broadcast is very limited in what they can do to make everything sound as perfect as it should. All except BA Nice which for some unfathomable reason (maybe time constraints, maybe something happened to the tapes) was put on laser disc with the very same (crap) sound mix that aired on HBO. Now I personally love that throaty growly BA vocal she had as the tour progressed, but it could  and should have been mixed better with the instrumentation in post production. 

Amazing info thanks especially about the track tapes and about the industry standard way of just “cleaning up” vocals and sound! That’s why TV broadcasts like Torino, Barcelona, Nice, Fukouka, DWT HBO could prob be one of the few TRUE UNEDITED FULLY LIVE MADONNA CONCERTS we can ever see or have seen!

The more authentic the better! Although I still appreciate and love the “cleaned up” DVD/LD/VHS releases we’ve gotten! 👍🏼

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14 minutes ago, Gus said:

Yes, i forgot about that one! 

Same show during Lucky Star at 1:47

 

Ah, and I'd forgotten about that one!!

Of course, the mother of them all is...

...not just for the forgotten line, but the fact that the vocal on this song on every date in Europe sounded like it was coming straight from the fiery pits of hell itself - which I love, LOL!

 

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MDNA Tour from the 2nd night in Miami soundboard has leaked tonight

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