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58 minutes ago, Suedehead said:

Beautiful pictures XXL

 

Aren't they? :inlove: 

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54 minutes ago, tuckeye said:

maybe she put MDNASkin on her ass - the serum works wonders - and bam! it looks younger & fuller.

Hahahaha. She needs to post a video!

Seriously though, I don't care what she does with fillers or botox. It's her body and she looks beautiful. Especially her behind. How she looked in that red dress... :drool:

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******Important article about Madonna's racist commercial!!! Madonna cannot continue using her white privelege to get away with committing theft from nonwhites for profit! *********

https://i-d.vice.com/en_uk/article/8x8dv3/rina-sawayama-theres-a-problem-with-the-east-asian-women-in-madonnas-beauty-ad

 

rina sawayama: there's a problem with the east asian women in madonna's beauty ad
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RINA SAWAYAMA

SEP 29 2017, 7:06AM

Madonna’s MDNA Skin launched with a video of her and Josh "The Fat Jew" Ostrovsky being pampered by silent East Asian women. Fellow musician Rina Sawayama called her out on Twitter, and tells i-D why this trope must die.

Photography Maxwell Tomlinson

On Wednesday Madonna launched her skincare line, MDNA Skin, and honestly I couldn't care less. Fenty Beauty has already emptied my bank account (and I know I'm not the only one), and after KKW Beauty, another celebrity-endorsed beauty line is really just noise at this point. That was, before I decided to click on the full length video ad. Take a look at the over four minute long clip for yourself (if you can get through it).

As a skincare ad, the haute-clinical spa backdrop sets the perfect scene for Madonna's radiant face which, surgery or not, looks beautiful and age defying (mutually exclusive, by the way). The creative decision to include 'The Fat Jew', an Instagram comedian with 10 million followers who was accused of joke theft, is a strange one, but somehow works with the 'chatting shit in the spa' narrative. But behind them, did you notice the three East Asian women silently tending to the two? The women massaging the Fat Jew's shoulders while Madonna teaches him how to vogue (to the sound of swords clashing), the women filing his toenails, and the woman painting Madonna's nails? If you didn't, no worries -- that was the point. Aside from the eye-rolling Jamaican accent, the choice to cast three East Asian women to be the silent stereotypical accessories to the scene was totally deliberate, and to me, deliberately offensive.

Growing up in the UK in the 90/00s I saw my fair share of white celebrities and artists taking from East Asian culture and making it their own. It didn't really bother me at the time, because like many other immigrants I was trying to be white, and seeing people indulge in Japanese culture made me feel like I had worth in western society. It didn't really occur to me that Gwen's Harajuku human-Neopets was stereotyping and offensive, and at the time I didn't think much of Mickey Rooney's yellow face portrayal of Mr Yunioshi in Breakfast at Tiffany's, aside from how annoying a character he was. I was too young, and the world was still in love with appropriation; we had something white people didn't and that made us damn cool, and gave us a 'way in' to western pop culture.

However, MDNA Skin didn't launch in the late 90s, nor in the crazy 00s. This is 2017, and casting matters. Yellow face is unacceptable, movies tankdue to the miscasting of Asian characters with white actors and AAPI (Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders) fair pay cases make headline news. Giving POC a voice also matters: the biggest beauty launch of the decade was also the most authentically inclusive, and the biggest campaign failures were the ones who faked diversity to sell products. We aren't your funky Asian sidekicks, and we aren't your model minorities. So you know, actually, congratulations to Madonna and her team for concocting a true throwback -- an advert that goes against everything we expect to see in 2017. 

You may not think that it's a big deal: "Why does it matter that the nail technicians in MDNA Skin are East Asian?" You might also think that that's quite an accurate portrayal of the types of people who you encounter at your local discount nail salon. And therein lies the problem.

"You might think that it's quite an accurate portrayal of the types of people who you encounter at your local discount nail salon. And therein lies the problem."

Let me get real with you. In major cities many E/SE Asian immigrants are often relegated to the lowest ranks in the beauty industry with little to no prospect for upwards mobility: in 2015 a New York Timesarticle revealed that manicurists in New York City were routinely underpaid and exploited, and endure ethnic bias and abuse. I've been to salons where people who are paying next to nothing for a nail service (note: I used to be a nail tech and anything below £40 for a full set of acrylics is abysmal), yet the clients chat amongst themselves, moving their hands, touching their phones and ruining our work, not trying to interact with the technician other than telling them when something is wrong, joking about their lack of English, generally disrespecting their skill, and to top it all off -- not tipping. You may still think that this is an East Asian problem -- it's the East Asian business owners who charge the rate, and besides, it's their fault for not speaking English. Well it's not. Last year, the UK raided 280 nail salonsacross the country and found hundreds of victims of human trafficking and modern slavery. Modern slavery. If you knew that your cheap manicures (that you don't even care to tip the tech for) may be supporting a system of slavery in the UK then it's a humanitarian problem.

And speaking of supremacy, Madonna is fast becoming a repeat offender of cultural insensitivity. Her 1998 appropriative performance of Shanti/Ashtangi at the VMAs led to the World Vaishnava Association holding a silent protest, and her more recent Rebel Heart album garnered significant criticism for the use of Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King in its campaign (Madonna later explained that this was fan art that she shared). Her response? "Oh they can kiss my ass". Her I-don't-give-a-shit attitude is getting old in an era where giving a shit very much matters. You can scream 'Bitch I'm Madonna' from the top of the world, but the year is 2017 and young people care less about who you are, and more about what you stand for.

To be honest, I felt conflicted about writing this piece: reducing a woman's incredible contribution to culture and a lifetime's work to a few questionable incidents feels entirely anti-feminist. However, her latest campaigns are an epitome of white privilege, and that precludes feminism. I know that as a Japanese woman it's expected of me not to speak up about these things, but having been objectified ("You're so kawaii!"), fetishised, disrespected and appropriated all my life, plus being told that my concerns are trivial because of the 'model minority' myth, I'm now among a group of young creatives and activists standing up against it: Rebel Yellowhighlights the news that affects AAPI people, @ESEAsianBeauty represents the myriad of Asian beauties around the world and also discusses important AAPI issues, photographer Elizabeth Leecreated a beautiful project called @xi__ngexhibiting E/SE Asian trailblazers, and model Kiko Mizuhara is speaking up against racism within Asia, as well as fashion designers such as A Sai Ta of ASAI who lead the way in creating political fashion. My award winning nail tutor Anna Lee has worked tirelessly to turn the tide in opinions of SEA nail technicians, and is an important force in the industry that has wildly transformed since Tippi Hedrin first appointed Vietnamese refugees into powerful positions in the nail industry 40 years ago.

With this in mind, I re-watch the clip again and notice Madonna waving a fan as she jokes about all the questionable decisions she's made in the last 33 years. This is definitely one to add to the list, and let's hope no more POCs will be at the sharp end of her questionable decisions in the future.

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Fuck this! No one forced those Asian girls to be in her ad! It was probably advised by the actual Japanese company M is collaborating with!! I'm so sick and tired of this anti-white, any chance I get hate bull shit! Enough already! 

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Oh no, not again. A SJW in full force. And once again the whole article is doing nothing to improve the situation it is criticizing. So what's the purpose? I would like to ask what this woman has actually done in her life that puts her in a position to have such a harsh opinion on or to criticize Madonnas decisions or action in such a way. The fact that she even has second thoughts about it makes it worse. And the whole cultural appropriation thing? Seriously? The whole concept is so unspecific that you can basically twist every situation in a form of cultural appropriation if you will. Sometimes it is so idiotic that you can't help to think these SJW are actually separatists. This is yours, this is ours. And isn't this kind of mindset the clear opposite of what you would expect from the "enlightened" people. It's a mindf*ck actually. A Madonna article that is nothing more than clickbait. Again.

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that poster who shared it just has one post. fav song "like a virgin". yeah, this is just a hater.

and i saw no one complain on instagram. never heard of that woman & she only has one anti m article

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10 hours ago, XXL said:

 

Ass or breasts shape, look, size in a woman (but also in a man) can vary according to the amount of exercise (or lack thereof also), the type of exercise, the type of diet followed at the moment, the calory intake of the moment. Madonna has had moments in her career (pre and post motherhood) where her ass and bosom looked different based on the type of exercise or project she was undertaking at any given time

 

Examples:

Her breasts in the fall of 2000 look plump and luscious post Rocco pregnancy. Then she suddenly looks almost flat chested in some beach scenes on the Sardinian set of Swept Away. She was doing heavy weight lifting throughout the entire DWT run during the summer. Then she ditches weights in favour of Ashtanga Yoga, Gyrotonic at that NW London studio and Pilates and she's suddenly  American Life/RIT Madonna type of body. Toned but feminine and soft in just about the right places

Then you have the awful Tracy Anderson who bulked her up for S&S Part I in spring 2008 and by the end of that first leg Madonna (going through divorce proceedings and hightened media scrutiny) looked scrawny, too thin and ripped, ass visibly reduced in size cut to her MDNA ass and a new trainer once again etc etc

We could go on and on with similar examples when you put pictures of a 1978 overly thin Madonna trying to make her way in NY and a VT Madonna shot seven years later and then FF to a couple of years later on WTG. So, in short, there is no evidence she must have had implants simply because her ass has been looking fuller the past couple of years :thumbsup:  And like you said, it's so unlike her so I think it has more to do with the pattern I have mentioned

There was no 'heavy weight lifting' during the DWT run, it was all down to diet and yoga. As one's body fat drops into single digits, muscles begin to look more ripped and you appear more vascular. Muscles can appear larger than before purely down to a lack of body fat, providing one already has existing muscle mass. Her body shape and muscle mass is exactly the same as it appeared at the '99 Grammy's for example when her new Ashtanga yoga honed body started to really create headlines, sometimes negatively. She herself stated in '98 on Oprah that she had given up the hard gym workouts. Your veins also become more prominent when you have very low body fat. Another poster in this thread claimed that her veiny hands were down to Ashtanga yoga, this is untrue. It's all down to body fat levels and as we age our skin starts to thin. Check out Madonna's hands during Sooner or Later during the Barcelona date of BA, they are very veiny and this is 7 years before she started practising yoga.

This area is my forte, I've been a personal trainer for 13 years. 

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5 hours ago, ricequeen said:

******Important article about Madonna's racist commercial!!! Madonna cannot continue using her white privelege to get away with committing theft from nonwhites for profit! *********

https://i-d.vice.com/en_uk/article/8x8dv3/rina-sawayama-theres-a-problem-with-the-east-asian-women-in-madonnas-beauty-ad

 

rina sawayama: there's a problem with the east asian women in madonna's beauty ad
rs

RINA SAWAYAMA

SEP 29 2017, 7:06AM

Madonna’s MDNA Skin launched with a video of her and Josh "The Fat Jew" Ostrovsky being pampered by silent East Asian women. Fellow musician Rina Sawayama called her out on Twitter, and tells i-D why this trope must die.

Photography Maxwell Tomlinson

On Wednesday Madonna launched her skincare line, MDNA Skin, and honestly I couldn't care less. Fenty Beauty has already emptied my bank account (and I know I'm not the only one), and after KKW Beauty, another celebrity-endorsed beauty line is really just noise at this point. That was, before I decided to click on the full length video ad. Take a look at the over four minute long clip for yourself (if you can get through it).

As a skincare ad, the haute-clinical spa backdrop sets the perfect scene for Madonna's radiant face which, surgery or not, looks beautiful and age defying (mutually exclusive, by the way). The creative decision to include 'The Fat Jew', an Instagram comedian with 10 million followers who was accused of joke theft, is a strange one, but somehow works with the 'chatting shit in the spa' narrative. But behind them, did you notice the three East Asian women silently tending to the two? The women massaging the Fat Jew's shoulders while Madonna teaches him how to vogue (to the sound of swords clashing), the women filing his toenails, and the woman painting Madonna's nails? If you didn't, no worries -- that was the point. Aside from the eye-rolling Jamaican accent, the choice to cast three East Asian women to be the silent stereotypical accessories to the scene was totally deliberate, and to me, deliberately offensive.

Growing up in the UK in the 90/00s I saw my fair share of white celebrities and artists taking from East Asian culture and making it their own. It didn't really bother me at the time, because like many other immigrants I was trying to be white, and seeing people indulge in Japanese culture made me feel like I had worth in western society. It didn't really occur to me that Gwen's Harajuku human-Neopets was stereotyping and offensive, and at the time I didn't think much of Mickey Rooney's yellow face portrayal of Mr Yunioshi in Breakfast at Tiffany's, aside from how annoying a character he was. I was too young, and the world was still in love with appropriation; we had something white people didn't and that made us damn cool, and gave us a 'way in' to western pop culture.

However, MDNA Skin didn't launch in the late 90s, nor in the crazy 00s. This is 2017, and casting matters. Yellow face is unacceptable, movies tankdue to the miscasting of Asian characters with white actors and AAPI (Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders) fair pay cases make headline news. Giving POC a voice also matters: the biggest beauty launch of the decade was also the most authentically inclusive, and the biggest campaign failures were the ones who faked diversity to sell products. We aren't your funky Asian sidekicks, and we aren't your model minorities. So you know, actually, congratulations to Madonna and her team for concocting a true throwback -- an advert that goes against everything we expect to see in 2017. 

You may not think that it's a big deal: "Why does it matter that the nail technicians in MDNA Skin are East Asian?" You might also think that that's quite an accurate portrayal of the types of people who you encounter at your local discount nail salon. And therein lies the problem.

"You might think that it's quite an accurate portrayal of the types of people who you encounter at your local discount nail salon. And therein lies the problem."

Let me get real with you. In major cities many E/SE Asian immigrants are often relegated to the lowest ranks in the beauty industry with little to no prospect for upwards mobility: in 2015 a New York Timesarticle revealed that manicurists in New York City were routinely underpaid and exploited, and endure ethnic bias and abuse. I've been to salons where people who are paying next to nothing for a nail service (note: I used to be a nail tech and anything below £40 for a full set of acrylics is abysmal), yet the clients chat amongst themselves, moving their hands, touching their phones and ruining our work, not trying to interact with the technician other than telling them when something is wrong, joking about their lack of English, generally disrespecting their skill, and to top it all off -- not tipping. You may still think that this is an East Asian problem -- it's the East Asian business owners who charge the rate, and besides, it's their fault for not speaking English. Well it's not. Last year, the UK raided 280 nail salonsacross the country and found hundreds of victims of human trafficking and modern slavery. Modern slavery. If you knew that your cheap manicures (that you don't even care to tip the tech for) may be supporting a system of slavery in the UK then it's a humanitarian problem.

And speaking of supremacy, Madonna is fast becoming a repeat offender of cultural insensitivity. Her 1998 appropriative performance of Shanti/Ashtangi at the VMAs led to the World Vaishnava Association holding a silent protest, and her more recent Rebel Heart album garnered significant criticism for the use of Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King in its campaign (Madonna later explained that this was fan art that she shared). Her response? "Oh they can kiss my ass". Her I-don't-give-a-shit attitude is getting old in an era where giving a shit very much matters. You can scream 'Bitch I'm Madonna' from the top of the world, but the year is 2017 and young people care less about who you are, and more about what you stand for.

To be honest, I felt conflicted about writing this piece: reducing a woman's incredible contribution to culture and a lifetime's work to a few questionable incidents feels entirely anti-feminist. However, her latest campaigns are an epitome of white privilege, and that precludes feminism. I know that as a Japanese woman it's expected of me not to speak up about these things, but having been objectified ("You're so kawaii!"), fetishised, disrespected and appropriated all my life, plus being told that my concerns are trivial because of the 'model minority' myth, I'm now among a group of young creatives and activists standing up against it: Rebel Yellowhighlights the news that affects AAPI people, @ESEAsianBeauty represents the myriad of Asian beauties around the world and also discusses important AAPI issues, photographer Elizabeth Leecreated a beautiful project called @xi__ngexhibiting E/SE Asian trailblazers, and model Kiko Mizuhara is speaking up against racism within Asia, as well as fashion designers such as A Sai Ta of ASAI who lead the way in creating political fashion. My award winning nail tutor Anna Lee has worked tirelessly to turn the tide in opinions of SEA nail technicians, and is an important force in the industry that has wildly transformed since Tippi Hedrin first appointed Vietnamese refugees into powerful positions in the nail industry 40 years ago.

With this in mind, I re-watch the clip again and notice Madonna waving a fan as she jokes about all the questionable decisions she's made in the last 33 years. This is definitely one to add to the list, and let's hope no more POCs will be at the sharp end of her questionable decisions in the future.

It’s interesting that this writer should start off by praising Fenty beauty and then accuse Madonna of being anti Asian when Rihanna has called Karrueche Tran a “rice cake”. Then the writer mentions all the times Madonna has been culturally “appropriating”, and she’d seem less hypocritical if she hadn’t praised Rihanna or even Gaga, since both are known for borrowing from other cultures, and Rihanna in particular has been mixing and matching freely from different Asian cultures. 

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5 minutes ago, Rugbyguy said:

There was no 'heavy weight lifting' during the DWT run, it was all down to diet and yoga. As one's body fat drops into single digits, muscles begin to look more ripped and you appear more vascular. Muscles can appear larger than before purely down to a lack of body fat, providing one already has existing muscle mass. Her body shape and muscle mass is exactly the same as it appeared at the '99 Grammy's for example when her new Ashtanga yoga honed body started to really create headlines, sometimes negatively. She herself stated in '98 on Oprah that she had given up the hard gym workouts. Your veins also become more prominent when you have very low body fat. Another poster in this thread claimed that her veiny hands were down to Ashtanga yoga, this is untrue. It's all down to body fat levels and as we age our skin starts to thin. Check out Madonna's hands during Sooner or Later during the Barcelona date of BA, they are very veiny and this is 7 years before she started practising yoga.

This area is my forte, I've been a personal trainer for 13 years. 

 

She would train with Lenny Kravitz during DWT. It's documented I'll find the article :thumbsup: She did weight lifting during preparations for her summer 2001 touring juggernaut. Her arms were not as big and muscular in 2002-2003-2004 as they were in the summer of 2001. After the Swept Away film shoot she just stuck to Yoga, Pilates and Gyrotonic which are all things that tone the muscle areas and give suppleness without making the muscle huge

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5 hours ago, ricequeen said:

******Important article about Madonna's racist commercial!!! Madonna cannot continue using her white privelege to get away with committing theft from nonwhites for profit! *********

https://i-d.vice.com/en_uk/article/8x8dv3/rina-sawayama-theres-a-problem-with-the-east-asian-women-in-madonnas-beauty-ad

I'm not saying cultural appropriation isn't a real thing, but I don't understand what it is people really want. Should Madonna's commercial be all white people? Would that be a tacit endorsement of white supremacy? If the spa workers were anything else (Mexican, Peruvian, Nigerian, etc.) it would still look like white privilege to someone since Madonna is white and everyone is basically her servant in this video - except the comedian. I don't get it. Is the answer to create no commercial for fear of offending anyone?

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She's calling me white, I'm actually Russian, and this whole victim card people play is beyond annoying! Twenty million people were slaughtered in Russia, women and children forced inside churches and barnes and burned alive! The hunger, the torture, the communist oppression, everything my people went through, yet it's just not in our nature to be victims and we never will be! If she's offended by Asians assisting Madonna, she needs a wake up call and face real issues in this world! The bitch is delusional. 

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Who joins a forum to post a negative piece as first post ? A fan ? 

And about cultural appropriation.....Should i write an article protesting everytime somebody wears Vuitton or eats a baguette ? Should i tell Beyonce to fuck off when she sings Deja vu because it's my culture, my words ? 

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No one actually in Japan seems to care about this so called injustice!

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no one seemed to care until that nobody with one post shared it here. of course now with it being discussed at this very thread it can easily become a "thing".

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4 minutes ago, Nikki said:

no one seemed to care until that nobody with one post shared it here. of course now with it being discussed at this very thread it can easily become a "thing".

This person is new???? Wow! Ban!! No wonder! 

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Oh no!!  Close all nail/skin care salons (even though most are owned/run by Asian women)!!!  Some people worry a bit too much about this "cultural appropriation" BS!!!   Too much sensitivity these days.  I'm sure if M would have had her dog in her lap, PETA would have had something to say about that.?  Should she have only white dancers on tour also?  Enough already! 

Personally, I can't get enough of this MDNA ad!!!  I crack up everytime I watch it....not to mention how GORGEOUS M looks!!!!! 

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On 29.9.2017 at 9:13 PM, Katypatra said:

She does yoga and Pilates and she doesn't do drugs, most of all!! Unlike so many other celebrities her age, she doesn't rely completely on fillers and it shows!! Fuck haters! 

Yes! That's what people hate about her, because she follows a very strict regime BUT STILL has lots of fun and enjoys her life. She's not miserable and doesn't sacrifice much for the sake of beauty. She makes it look easy. 

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That name alone 'Ricequeen' . To register and post that one stupidest of all the stupidest Madonna's news . 

Get a life .

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I wish they would have been Mexican and had given her margaritas instead of Rose... ohhhh if only 😜 

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