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5 hours ago, Jazzy Jan said:

Loved the message of chained to the rthym and admire Katy Perry for trying to make a political point. People unfortunately often lump all celebrities together now because too many people are famous for nothing.  Reality tv stars, celebrity bloggers, footballers wives and celebrity off-Spring who are not famous in their own right now mainly have more press than people who are singers, musicians, actors, authors, artists and sports stars etc.  Dilutes the messages from people that are famous for something when too many who are famous for nothing get so much attention. 

Yes it's all true but a song from a popular artist can still send a strong statement. Can you imagine if Taylor would have released a song about the state of the world instead of going on about her long ass feuds? 

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And by the way I'm far from wishing on a politically charged album. I'm all down for whatever she wants to do. Madonna's already done so much already that I don't need her to validate her political views one more time. I'm just disappointed that no big popular singer is taking a true stand against this hate filled regime.

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10 hours ago, MeakMaker said:

I just have to disagree on this. I think the average person is still oblivious to the real situation and that's because it's still not affecting them personally.. or possibly it can now if an hurricane is going to tumble your house down. But my point is no big artist took a stand against this government that every two weeks or so evokes or imposes a law that is going to disadvantagely effect a minority group. People won't care on the matter because it's not about them. Yes there is this knowledge that the liberal media or celebrities or Hollywood have their own agenda but that's not the point. Thai is not for your average American after all. This is for many young, impressionable people who need to be constantly told about this mess.

Look, I'd love for popular culture to get some balls and actually say something...but the realist in me says don't put too much stock in it because it probably isn't going to happen. Hell, it hasn't really happened since, what, the 90s?  For decades now pop culture isn't taking that stand. Didn't start with the current crop of kiddies. Hell, where was it during the W. Bush regime? Looking to pop stars to inform the kids is a nice idea, but in the current landscape, as much as I think anything is needed to wake people up right now, I think expecting it to happen with pop stars is a long shot. That's why I'm willing to give credit to those like Katy and Pink who are are least trying to say something.

 

10 hours ago, MeakMaker said:

Chained To The Rythm was a nice try but as I said it was too tongue in cheek and simplicistic for peeps to take it seriously; maybe instead of a fair ground Perry should have showed the brutal reality. I take Perry performance at the Brits with more favours as it shows she does have an opinion and shes more than keen to express it but when she comes out with her second single recycling old feuds then in my book she loses all credibility.

I don't think everything has to be overly literal though either. I think what Katy did, particularly considering her demographic, made a lot of sense. The question is whether these kids are looking past the surface and paying attention.

As for her other singles not also being political...Sometimes beating people over the head with it too much can actually have the opposite effect. I don't remember every single off AL directly addressing politics/politicians. In fact, most of that album wasn't even political (in a literal sense). It had a broader message.

 

10 hours ago, MeakMaker said:

Fact that the biggest musicians (ie Swift and Bieber) who both enjoy a huge amount of exposure they're silent on the matter goes to show that yes there is still the old mentality that you can't slag off the government or the president. As much as it seems to become more and more acceptable to say something against Trump i still don't believe these so called artists are prepared to risk even a little fraction of their viewers or listeners in order to fight for what it is right. 

If we look at the charts/ most popular songs at the minute for example would you be able to say what sort of state we are living in? Apart from an occasional song that makes its round every blue moon I still have to listen to a big tune that clearly takes a position in opposing this new regime. It doesn't necessarily need to be anti Trump but at least shed a light on the current affairs. 

Swift and Biebs? That's the last place I would look babe. :lmao:

I'd love to see a modern day "Imagine" or "What's Going On", or a great "fuck Trump" anthem though. Question is, does the industry even have artists that can pull that off anymore?

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Eminem can pull it off, no new artists can. 

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8 hours ago, Jazzy Jan said:

Loved the message of chained to the rthym and admire Katy Perry for trying to make a political point. People unfortunately often lump all celebrities together now because too many people are famous for nothing.  Reality tv stars, celebrity bloggers, footballers wives and celebrity off-Spring who are not famous in their own right now mainly have more press than people who are singers, musicians, actors, authors, artists and sports stars etc.  Dilutes the messages from people that are famous for something when too many who are famous for nothing get so much attention. 

Well said.

 

2 hours ago, MeakMaker said:

Yes it's all true but a song from a popular artist can still send a strong statement. Can you imagine if Taylor would have released a song about the state of the world instead of going on about her long ass feuds? 

That's assuming Taylor cares about anything other than her own ego....:newspaper:

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3 hours ago, VogueMusic said:

Look, I'd love for popular culture to get some balls and actually say something...but the realist in me says don't put too much stock in it because it probably isn't going to happen. Hell, it hasn't really happened since, what, the 90s?  For decades now pop culture isn't taking that stand. Didn't start with the current crop of kiddies. Hell, where was it during the W. Bush regime? Looking to pop stars to inform the kids is a nice idea, but in the current landscape, as much as I think anything is needed to wake people up right now, I think expecting it to happen with pop stars is a long shot. That's why I'm willing to give credit to those like Katy and Pink who are are least trying to say something.

 

I don't think everything has to be overly literal though either. I think what Katy did, particularly considering her demographic, made a lot of sense. The question is whether these kids are looking past the surface and paying attention.

As for her other singles not also being political...Sometimes beating people over the head with it too much can actually have the opposite effect. I don't remember every single off AL directly addressing politics/politicians. In fact, most of that album wasn't even political (in a literal sense). It had a broader message.

 

Swift and Biebs? That's the last place I would look babe. :lmao:

I'd love to see a modern day "Imagine" or "What's Going On", or a great "fuck Trump" anthem though. Question is, does the industry even have artists that can pull that off anymore?

 I mentioned them two because they're extremely popular at the moment. Not because I actually believe they would be that kind of artist but that should be irrelevant anyway. Anybody can come out with some sort of message.

And talking about Katy Perry which I love by the way I meant to say that if you first choose to release a song  that basically says to wake up and see out of ourselves and then you release a song about an old tired feud you lose all credibility. She should have been above that sort of crap when there are bigger problems on the horizon. 

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14 hours ago, Flip The Switch said:

If her true feelings will be political, I'm in. Whatever the QUEEN wants. 

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Yes!!!  :beret:

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UGH WHEN DOES THIS COME OUT IN CANADA!

all i see everywhere is lemi remi

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@MeakMaker @VogueMusic I think it all depends on the historical context and the artists credentials to make any kind of claims stating the climate of world or US specific affairs rather than the music genre they are coming from. 

I can tell you that there's a bigger historical movement regarding musicians that make public denounces and social commentaries on the abuse of power groups, on social and economic inequity of the people in Latinamerica, and the consequences that all this conditions have brought on us. 

They are very well respected artists and movements with many many followers but I'm afraid that they we wouldn't be categorized as pop artists, even though they share a common historical ground with other similar artists. If you have the chance there's a Puerto Rican artist named Calle 13 or Residente who is a Spanish speaking singer that makes incredible intelligent, deep, sometimes very funny lyrics regarding social issues and present conditions in a very clever way, but obviously he never gets played on the radio with the exception of very safe songs, he writes and produces his own records and he doesn't have a record company but he plays to sold out crowds of 40/50 thousand people...

I agree that CTTR was a very nice effort in making a step in denouncing social conditions but there's a ominous lack in continuity, context and consistency. 

I think there are many ways of making people think and reflect rather than a straightforward political song. But if there's going to be one it will be welcomed. 

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Lovely article and 6 page spread of photos in Who magazine which is the equavilent of People magazine in Australia. Madonna is part of the cover with the headline of "Madonna's family album - at home with my kids" but the main cover star is reality star Sophie Monk who is the new Bachelorette :banghead: :wacko:  still, lovely long article and photos of Madonna inside with a very positive write up about her which is always appreciated. 

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